Help with Reactionary Parents

[Weezer]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?

[Stephen Colbert]

Ideologies dont kill people. People kill people.

PS thats a fuckton of people

Just try to be very civil and polite to them to show that you are not some "left-wing loon" and maybe they will come to. If you wanna chat or w/e, I have an IM screenname

[scarletghoul]

Well you could take the easy Trot way out and say how you don't support most of the communist regimes that have existed. Or you could debate them with stuff like "how can you support a system that starves 20,000 african children every day". Or you could try and get them to 'man up' and put the political differances aside..

Also how does grounding someone stop them being a communist ?? lol

[danyboy27]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?
play on their sweetspot for generosity charity and community.
make them believe it will make you a good benevolent christian...

[Weezer]

As a side note, for my birthday, I asked for Slavoj Zizek's In Defense of Lost Causes, they bought it, having no idea what it was about.:laugh:

[ed miliband]

LOL, sorry, but getting grounded for being a communist. For three days! How do your parents even know you left a comment supporting communism on facebook?

Well, your parents are going to think it's just you being a rebellious teenager, so see how much you can milk it.

[Raúl Duke]

There are ways to make things private from certain people on facebook.

Make a seperate list (like limited access list or just use that) and when you post something click on the lock icon, which gives you options to who can see your post/status. There's a section in the option that says "except:" and just place the limited access list with your parents and anyone you don't trust on that section. You can also do it manuely by typing in the names.

[Adil3tr]

I hide it for the most part, but try to find common ground. You could also correct some of their misconceptions. Like the hatred of immigrants for "stealing jobs"

[Ele'ill]

After the grounding tell them you changed your mind and you're now an anarchist.



I would suggest spending those three days writing down some comparisons between the death toll of communism vs capitalism. Start with the number of civilians killed by US bombs as well as civilians killed by US hired thugs in South America and elsewhere. See what kind of numbers you come up with. Then figure out what the justification for those wars were- what was the real purpose- or even more watered down- what actually ended up happening after the wars.

I would avoid conversation about things that are details to them but very important to leftists such as police- health care etc...

The first step isn't convincing someone that your chosen ideology is correct- the first step is convincing someone that change is needed- then comes the how and what.

[this is an invasion]

THE CRUSADES, WITCH HUNTS, DOMINATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN THE WEST.

Also, don't argue politics with your parents. It's a dead end.

[Widerstand]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?

Tip: Don't put material on Facebook that can get you trouble, or if you do at least use proper privacy settings.

Have you tried refuting their, supposedly heavily biased, view on Communism? As said earlier, compare death tolls, etc. Try to educate them on what bad is done in non-communist systems.

Or just take the easy way out and live through your grounding and never mention the topic again, since changing their minds will be nigh impossible anyway. Parents have this thing to not listen to their children when it comes to politics or philosophy.

[DaComm]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?


Welcome to my world. Both of my parents used to be conservative zombies. However, my youtube videos have managed to sway my father far from the right. My mother however, still is very supportive of Capitalism and Republicanism. When she found out about my ideology, she went off on a 10 minute venting session on how Communism is dictatorship, it killed millions, it's practically the same thing as Nazism, and how I am naive. I wanted to throw a brick at her head. Initially I vented back I bit, but she played the old moronic religious person trick: "Cover your eyes, ears, and don't let any of what he says in". Although I've come to just ignore my mother's ignorance, and this is most effective. I never had a steady relationship with my mother, and nowadays I simply alienate myself from her. That's what I do, and I don't receive much flak anymore. If wish to pry yourself from the stupidity of your parents, ignore them. And for god's sakes man, de-friend your parents on facebook!


EDIT: ALSO, if your parents are religious, tell them how religion is so great. How it ca "help your soul" or some bullshit. just like it helped the souls of 6 million jews, over 20 million Africans, and countless others who died in Witch Burnings, the Crusades, and Religious Persecution throughout the ages. Also, if you can muster the sources, explain sections of the Bible that promote Communism in the pre-20th century sense. If you wish to take a different road than that of Alienation, I'd say this is the only other one.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

The truth is that you probably wont be able to change their opinion. Be yourself, be proud, they can't ground you forever and no amount of grounding will fill you with warm feelings towards good Christian values and the glorious capitalist system. They will soon realize this.

[Tablo]

I would suggest just not talking about politics with them and making sure they think you have "seen the errors of your ways". Much better than arguing and getting grounded.

[danyboy27]

buy a forklift.

[dearest chuck]

you need to explain to your parents that it was stalin, not communism, that killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people. that should set them straight.

[Obs]

you need to explain to your parents that it was stalin, not communism, that killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people. that should set them straight.
Yep, Stalin. Personally. Like, he actually took a gun and shot millions of people, and then strangled a couple more. And he did that just out of pure, monstrous evil. Like, he may have actually been the devil, horns and everything.

You know, instead of just taking all those alleged deaths and saying "Oh it's okay because it was all Stalin/Mao/other communist I disagree with", it would perhaps be an idea to get into how people in capitalist society are filled with propaganda and untruths from birth.

[Lyev]

Well you could take the easy Trot way out and say how you don't support most of the communist regimes that have existed. Or you could debate them with stuff like "how can you support a system that starves 20,000 african children every day". Or you could try and get them to 'man up' and put the political differances aside..

Also how does grounding someone stop them being a communist ?? lolI am a Trotskyist and use both arguments: firstly, I don't uphold Stalin et al, and secondly 10 million people die a year of hunger, 2 million of diarrhea, and a further 2 million of malaria. And also I sometimes describe how much shitter Russia got after "Communism" fell; unemployment, increased alcoholism, widespread homelessness, increased suicide rates, poverty got worse and so did the economy. So, to the OP, highlight how bankrupt capitalism is and has been.

[The Hong Se Sun]

while my parents weren't excited or mad I became communist I couldn't imagine being in your shoes comrade. Block your parents from your facebook and if they get mad then tell them you don't want to be thrown in your room for "thinking the wrong way" (accuse them of imprisoning you for your ideas pretty much) Politely tell them you arn't going to change your mind and then say long live every revolutionary that ever lived then walk out.

[CHAIRMAN GONZALO]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?

My brother I know how you feel. I've lived with petty-bourgeois conservative parents for 19 years. I know its absolutely insane. The only thing I can recommend you is to ignore them them when they try to talk about politics,economics,society,philosophy etc. That's really what I am doing. I don't like to get into those type of conversations with them. Trust me dude, once you get used to it, you'll thank me. :thumbup1:

Concerning the facbook incident, you can just tell your parents that the US constitution THEORETICALLY gives you the right to express your views as long as you don't try to "overthrow" it. I.e the 1st amendment. That's really all I can give you brother, sorry for not helping more.

[dearest chuck]

defriend your parents.

[Obs]

Concerning the facbook incident, you can just tell your parents that the US constitution THEORETICALLY gives you the right to express your views as long as you don't try to "overthrow" it. I.e the 1st amendment. That's really all I can give you brother, sorry for not helping more.
You could also point out that the Founding Fathers actually tailored the Constitution to make it so that the government could be overthrown by a popular uprising.

[MilkmanofHumanKindness]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help?

Well, Christian Fundamentalists are very big on the Bible being the literal word of God, so if you can show Communist principles are represented biblically that will give you hopefully some breathing room.

Acts 2:44-5 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts 4:34-37
There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

Exodus 16:16-18
This is what the Lord has commanded: Gather of it, every man of you, as much as he can eat; you shall take an omer apiece, according to the number of persons who each of you has in his tent. And the people of Israel did so; they gathered some more, some less. But when they measured it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; each gathered according to what he could eat.

Amos 6:1-7

1 "Woe to those who are at ease in Zion, and to those who feel secure on the mountain of Samaria, the notable men of the first of the nations, to whom the house of Israel comes! 2 Pass over to Calneh, and see, and from there go to Hamath the great; then go down to Gath of the Philistines. Are you better than these kingdoms? Or is their territory greater than your territory, 3 O you who put far away the day of disaster and bring near the seat of violence? 4 "Woe to those who lie on beds of ivory and stretch themselves out on their couches, and eat lambs from the flock and calves from the midst of the stall, 5 who sing idle songs to the sound of the harp and like David invent for themselves instruments of music, 6 who drink wine in bowls and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph! 7 Therefore they shall now be the first of those who go into exile, and the revelry of those who stretch themselves out shall pass away."

Amos 5:11-12

11 You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain.Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.

12 For I know how many are your offenses and how great your sins.You oppress the righteous and take bribes and you deprive the poor of justice in the courts.

Good luck! Also do point out how it is justified to have revolution in the face of injustice.

Also, immediately go to privacy settings, you can control who can see or not see your wall posts, events, pages, info etc. that way they can still be your friend, they just won't see anything that matters.

[samofshs]

Naturally when my parents, who are nearly fundamentalist Christians and deeply conservative, found out about my communist sympathies, they were very mad. They talked to me about how communism has killed 45867859673084576083750683740568974568970437569837 56897584769.6 people and how everything about communism is evil.

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook, supporting communism.(One more reason to hate social networking sites). I'm reallly fucking frustrated and don't know what to do to rebuttal their idiotic ideology.

Help? i had the same problem until i just stopped using words like "communism" and instead just started taking extremely far left views on issues such as health care reform when they surface

[The Red Next Door]

I tried to hide the fact of being a communist from my dad up still now.

[Il Medico]

Quite simply, tell them that your personal politics is none of their business. If they presist with the whole communism killed X number of people nonsese ask them if they belive that the the ideology of communism is responsible for the actions of those who supposedly follow it. If they say yes, then simply point out to them all the people who have been murdered, tortured, pillaged, and oppressed in the name of Christendom and say that Christianity killed all those people by their logic. And precced to degrade them for following such a sick and evil religion.

[ComradeOm]

Stop talking politics with your parents. Easy. Definitely don't start ripping into their religion - you have to live with these people

Besides, you'll have enough arguments with them as it is as you grow older; no need to lob a few political grenades in there as well

[Jazzhands]

UNFRIEND YOUR PARENTS. Then try not to bring it up again. Pick your battles. But slowly and surely convert them to liberalism-not socialism just yet. Explain how they're wrong on the issues and how a liberal position will be better. Then once that's done, explain how the liberal positions don't fix fundamental flaws in the system.

[Stephen Colbert]

i had the same problem until i just stopped using words like "communism" and instead just started taking extremely far left views on issues such as health care reform when they surface

This. I had an interesting conversation about slavery in diamond conflict ridden Africa, in which my parent said that it was like work slavery-- people were required to work for someone to harvest goods. I asked if they were fed, clothed, housed and allowed leisure time. He said yes...

It's amazing people don't draw comparisons to wage slavery. lol

Slavery feeds, clothes and takes care of the social property that is needed to continue production for the owner.

Wage slavery doesn't feed, doesn't clothe, and doesn't socially reproduce most individuals to be the sufficient and productive to the degree that the owner wants, more often than not. Instead of guaranteed safety and shelter, you are alloted money based off of your worth. Your labor and life has a price tag.

Re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxYyXGMfZM

@ about 6:15

And p.s. most of the time people can't identify what you are ideologically if you just argue politics or issues through a viewpoint that is far to the left anyway. Most people don't have the capacity to understand that you are a communist or socialist what have you, because their notions of these terms are completely obliterated vis-a-vis right-wing propaganda and right-wing scare tactics. Just look at how many people believe that the further you go left the more government you want. Rofl?

[tracher999]

dont listen always to your parents do your one thing live your live how old are you iff you above 16 do your thing fuck your parents than

[Wolf Larson]

Get a job, move out, don't do drugs and drink milk.

[MilkmanofHumanKindness]

Quite simply, tell them that your personal politics is none of their business. If they presist with the whole communism killed X number of people nonsese ask them if they belive that the the ideology of communism is responsible for the actions of those who supposedly follow it. If they say yes, then simply point out to them all the people who have been murdered, tortured, pillaged, and oppressed in the name of Christendom and say that Christianity killed all those people by their logic. And precced to degrade them for following such a sick and evil religion.

That sounds like a great strategy for gaining tolerance and understanding.... :rolleyes:

Tell them that your personal politics will not be changed by anything that they do. If they persist with a communist death toll bring up the deaths that Capitalism has brought.

People take religion very seriously, insulting someone's religion is a great way to destroy a relationship. Degrading them and saying that they are sick and evil people because of their sick and evil belief, is only going to make life harder for you.

While yes, you could hypothetically move out and get a job, and say fuck you. I really doubt that's the best solution here. Try all other modes of communicating, if they still don't tolerate it, then you can leave. But your first reaction should not be "Fuck you, I'm moving out."

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

tell them that Jesus was a communist.

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[Wolf Larson]

tell them that Jesus was a communist.

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Did you mean to post this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huem1uCVNkw

[tracher999]

the only thing they want to do is keep you down dont let they do it
thel them this 2 words iff they bullshitting again

FUCK YOU:cool:

[Stephen Colbert]

Don't think fuck you is gonna fly when your parents feed and clothe you

[DaComm]

Don't think fuck you is gonna fly when your parents feed and clothe you


With that said you must be naked all day every day and live off of neighbor welfare programs.

[tracher999]

Don't think fuck you is gonna fly when your parents feed and clothe you

you gonna allways let them shiting on your head ore what i m 25 they tread me some times like a child from 10 but it is your chois:blink:

[DaComm]

you gonna allways let them shiting on your head ore what i m 25 they tread me some times like a child from 10 but it is your chois:blink:

What the fuck are you saying?

[this is an invasion]

With that said you must be naked all day every day and live off of neighbor welfare programs.

communism!

[Jazzhands]

you gonna allways let them shiting on your head ore what i m 25 they tread me some times like a child from 10 but it is your chois:blink:

:blink:the harder I try to understand what the hell you are saying, the more my brain hurts.

[Agnapostate]

You can go one of two ways: (A) the antagonistic route, or (B) the conciliatory route.

(A) The antagonistic route involves challenging their fundamentalist Christianity in order to prove their hypocrisy. You might want to point out that in contrast to socialist theory, there are explicit commands to commit acts regarded as immoral in the Bible, such as the violent killing of heretics and those who attempt to induce others to heresy. Also, they likely believe in the inerrancy or infallibility of the Bible. Point out that passages like Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53-8:11 are not in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts, and that the Bible has undergone substantial revision and human modification since its original writing. If they force you to go to church, bring these passages up to your pastor and challenge him on various other theological grounds.

(B) The conciliatory route involves pointing to Biblical anti-poverty themes and endorsements of libertarian communism. Ask them why they are not interested in using the law to compel public adoption of the apostles' communal lifestyles if they are willing to use the law to compel the prohibition of same-sex marriage. Make it a matter of consistency. Don't act as confrontational here, obviously.


Concerning the facbook incident, you can just tell your parents that the US constitution THEORETICALLY gives you the right to express your views as long as you don't try to "overthrow" it. I.e the 1st amendment. That's really all I can give you brother, sorry for not helping more.

That won't help him, no. The First Amendment really doesn't mean anything in the case of underage people in parents' homes. That has a strong role in poor socialization as people age and develop, but things are the way they are for now.

[dearest chuck]

you gonna allways let them shiting on your head ore what i m 25 they tread me some times like a child from 10 but it is your chois:blink:
communism!

[Janichkokov]

Read and learn all you can: about the Left and life in general. If you're hostile to your parents, it will only make your life worse, and break their hearts. It sucks being a teenager because you have limited independence, and you rely on your parents. But do your best to be self-reliant. After all, that is what every good parent wants their kids to know. Knowledge is power, and the more you learn, the more ammunition you have. If you want to prove yourself, then be the example that you see lacking in our capitalistic society.

[Animal Farm Pig]

I agree with what other posters have said about pointing towards the communist elements of Christianity. I suggest starting with liberation theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology).

If that doesn't work and you get grounded again, go on hunger strike and claim to be a "political prisoner." Claim that your household is less politically free than Castro's Cuba. It won't be true, and it probably won't have any effect, but it will be very funny.

[Ele'ill]

I agree with what other posters have said about pointing towards the communist elements of Christianity. I suggest starting with liberation theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology).

If that doesn't work and you get grounded again, go on hunger strike and claim to be a "political prisoner." Claim that your household is less politically free than Castro's Cuba. It won't be true, and it probably won't have any effect, but it will be very funny.


then put the video on youtube and link us

[Il Medico]

That sounds like a great strategy for gaining tolerance and understanding.... :rolleyes:

Tell them that your personal politics will not be changed by anything that they do. If they persist with a communist death toll bring up the deaths that Capitalism has brought.

People take religion very seriously, insulting someone's religion is a great way to destroy a relationship. Degrading them and saying that they are sick and evil people because of their sick and evil belief, is only going to make life harder for you.
I think you miss the point. What I said simply applies the logic of their argument to something the believe in or support. It shows that the basis of their logic is flawed. Kinda like how gay men get harassed with the line "How do you know your not straight if you never had pussy" bullshit. Simple counter is "How you do you know your not gay if you never had dick?". When an argument is wrong on a logical basis, then it is easy to counter by applying the same logic to something that the person you are arguing against is a supporter of.


While yes, you could hypothetically move out and get a job, and say fuck you. I really doubt that's the best solution here. Try all other modes of communicating, if they still don't tolerate it, then you can leave. But your first reaction should not be "Fuck you, I'm moving out."
Never said this. That would quite a bad idea.

[Chambered Word]

Well you could take the easy Trot way out and say how you don't support most of the communist regimes that have existed. Or you could debate them with stuff like "how can you support a system that starves 20,000 african children every day". Or you could try and get them to 'man up' and put the political differances aside..

Also how does grounding someone stop them being a communist ?? lol

A sectarian provocation on the first page?

Just because I don't want to kiss the ground that Stalin walks on does not mean I won't feel free to point out how grossly the numbers of deaths under Stalinist regimes have been inflated, or compare them with the numbers of people killed under capitalist regimes.

To the OP, learn to explain to them that ideologies didn't simply kill people. Point out, like scarletghoul said, how many people capitalism has killed. Most importantly find out what you believe so you can articulate your own thoughts to your parents and handle yourself well in debates with them.

Or you could just pretend to return to being pro-capitalism, apologize to your parents and carry on learning about socialism behind their backs.

Defriending them on Facebook might help. Then again they might just get more pissed off at you. ;) Good luck comrade.

[Rusty Shackleford]

What the fuck are you saying?


:blink:the harder I try to understand what the hell you are saying, the more my brain hurts.

This is an international forum. just because the forum is primarily in english doesnt mean that everyone is great at it.


you gonna allways let them shiting on your head ore what i m 25 they tread me some times like a child from 10 but it is your chois:blink:
i think he meant: "Are you always going to let them shit all over you or what? Im 25 and they(parents) sometimes treat me like a 10 year old child. Its your choice"

basically, its up to you. move out and still be ridiculed form parents or stay with them and feel like shit.


Anyways. try to find a topic that relates to them if you have to. for example. i had to move back in with my mom and i have a bookshelf with marx, lenin, mao, and some PSL literature in plain view in the living room. she thinks communists are crazy but she doesnt mind. shes had a tough life as a worker and ive talked to her about the issues that arose during her worklife.

its either because im over the top overt when it comes to communism at my house or i did a good job. i think it might just be that im always blabbering about it at home and she just got fed up with it:lol:

so, annoy the shit out of your parents by talking socialism all day or dont say a damn word until something relatable comes up.

[chegitz guevara]

Actually, if you're no where near 18, it's probably a good idea to downplay the communism. Uber Christian parents have a nasty habit of sending "rebellious" children to re-education camps.

[Weezer]

Actually, if you're no where near 18, it's probably a good idea to downplay the communism. Uber Christian parents have a nasty habit of sending "rebellious" children to re-education camps.

They've talked about that.

[chegitz guevara]

So shut the fuck up and be good until you're emancipated. It's time for you to learn how to be clandestine with your politics.

[Agnapostate]

He's justified in fighting transportation to these camps. Since there are usually escorts hired to transport you that you may have fewer qualms about harming than you would your parents, I'd advise you to covertly hide a kitchen knife in an easily accessible place in your bedroom in case they ever come for you, since the usual pattern is for your parents to briefly enter your room and explain that hired escorts will be physically compelling you to accompany them, which gives you a chance to prepare.

[Widerstand]

He's justified in fighting transportation to these camps. Since there are usually escorts hired to transport you that you may have fewer qualms about harming than you would your parents, I'd advise you to covertly hide a kitchen knife in an easily accessible place in your bedroom in case they ever come for you, since the usual pattern is for your parents to briefly enter your room and explain that hired escorts will be physically compelling you to accompany them, which gives you a chance to prepare.

And go to jail instead?

[Agnapostate]

And go to jail instead?

To jail for what, self-defense? I can see him possibly going to jail if he has to resort to more extreme measures, such as shouting that he has a bomb if they need to transport him through an airport.

[Widerstand]

I dunno, didn't you just suggest stabbing the escort?

What exactly are these re-education camps anyway? Masses of Christian propaganda thrown at you in a bootcamp atmosphere?

[Agnapostate]

I dunno, didn't you just suggest stabbing the escort?

If escorts arrive to forcibly transport him to one of these camps, I believe it would be ethically justifiable to violently resist them. The legal area might be gray, though.


What exactly are these re-education camps anyway? Masses of Christian propaganda thrown at you in a bootcamp atmosphere?

If he went to an explicitly Christian institution (as he probably would if his parents are evangelicals or fundamentalists), they would probably not be characterized by a military-style boot camp atmosphere, but he would still be confined to an authoritarian setting with strict rules and propaganda.

[Sir Comradical]

Sometimes you need to really lay into your parents with strong debate and make them look like idiots. There's nothing more confronting than getting owned by your own child. I've somewhat influenced my dad's thinking and changed him from being an imperialist sympathizer to a critical social-democrat. Having said that, he's been an atheist for a long time which shows he has the potential to think for himself.

[Stephen Colbert]

I dunno, didn't you just suggest stabbing the escort?

What exactly are these re-education camps anyway? Masses of Christian propaganda thrown at you in a bootcamp atmosphere?

Today we're going to talk about why capitalism is the best system ever and how America is good.

Re-education camps sound something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmitJcnnpR8&feature=related

[chegitz guevara]

If escorts arrive to forcibly transport him to one of these camps, I believe it would be ethically justifiable to violently resist them. The legal area might be gray, though.

It's not legally gray. If he killed one, it would be murder. His parents are his legal guardians and are legally allowed to make such decisions for him and he is required by law to obey.

Even if he simply ran away to avoid being taken, were he caught by the police, he'd either be returned to his parents, or worse, hauled in front of a judge and sentenced for incorrigible behavior. Basically, his options are Christan concentration camp or juvie detention (which can last into his early twenties.

There is another alternative, running away, but its actually worse. You don't want to be a street kid. It's a terrible life.

No, his best bet is to lay low on the politics, let his parents think they've won. It's gonna be hard, but not as hard as the alternatives. If you've got some friends who share your views, keep your political stuff at their place. Don't post your politics online where your folks can find it.

Honestly, we all should be doing learning how to act clandestinely. Some day the government is going to crack down, and we've made it exceptionally easy for them to find us.

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BTW, Agnapostate, it is illegal to advise a minor to break the law, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor.

[Agnapostate]

It's not legally gray. If he killed one, it would be murder. His parents are his legal guardians and are legally allowed to make such decisions for him and he is required by law to obey.

It would depend on whether they were authorized by his parents to act in loco parentis. If they were just informally asked to act as transports, they may not receive the same protections, but it's likely that professional contractors would be hired. But, if he were to be tried as an adult for assaulting or killing an escort that he was preventing from forcibly kidnapping him, I imagine that a jury would be sympathetic, especially since he would be defended by information about the nature of behavior modification facilities.


BTW, Agnapostate, it is illegal to advise a minor to break the law, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor.

I know. I've wanted them to charge me with that one for years. :thumbup1:

[tracher999]

:blink:the harder I try to understand what the hell you are saying, the more my brain hurts.

wtf are you blind ass:blink:

[DaComm]

wtf are you blind ass:blink:

He says this because well, frankly, your english sucks.

[Agnapostate]

There's not really a need to mock the language skills of people who aren't from Anglophone countries.

[samofshs]

BTW, Agnapostate, it is illegal to advise a minor to break the law, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor.
sounds a lot like "poisoning the minds of youth" to me.....;)

[tracher999]

There's not really a need to mock the language skills of people who aren't from Anglophone countries.

yeah idd :D

[tracher999]

He says this because well, frankly, your english sucks.


you suck not my englich:blink:

edit: now back on topick pleace

greetz

[Misanthrope]

I'm grounded for three days because of a comment I made on facebook

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: but srsly

Debate them, rationally defend your points. If they can't respect you intellectually or even as a person. fuck 'em

[DaComm]

There's not really a need to mock the language skills of people who aren't from Anglophone countries.

My intent was not to mock him. His english is quite blatantly not top-notch, and is difficult to comprehend, as Commisaarusa noted. He then proceeds to call him a "blind ass", because he is incapable of reading not-so-good english. Would you prefered I said "well your english is not so great?". The same message is getting through, and why not respond in a more blunt manner as he did to Commisaar, with the "blind ass" statement?