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Paul Cockshott
3rd July 2010, 21:14
Posting by Heinz Dieterich warning of danger of military coups:

Jose Durao Barroso, former Prime Minister of Portugal and current President of the European Commission has warned the unions and popular movements in Europe that if they do not accept neoliberal austerity packages could be installed military dictatorships in Spain, Greece and Portugal.

Barroso, the chief executive of the European executive, "We are traumatized by an apocalyptic vision of the collapse of democracies in Europe because of its debt situation," says John Monks, Secretary General of the European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC). Your message "was blunt: if packages are not introduced austerity measures in these countries could disappear democracy as we know it today. There is no other alternative. "

The European bourgeoisie presents, in other words, an ultimatum to the labor movement and popular: dutifully pay the costs of the crisis that has caused the great capital, or make them pay by way of the jackboot. In political language: if they offer resistance to the reduction of living standards of bourgeois dictatorship spend evening (representative democracy) to open the bourgeois dictatorship.

The threat is real for several reasons. First, the status of the sender. Barroso is the chief executive of the European Regional State and, therefore, the capo di capi visible political class. Second, the status of the recipients of the message, the European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC). Finally, the fact that military dictatorships disappeared just thirty years ago of these countries. Falange in Spain's dictatorship formally lasted from 1936 to 1978, the last military dictatorship in Greece (G. Papadopoulos) from 1967-1975 and the Portuguese dictatorship of Salazar in 1932 survived until 1974. Reinstalling the state terrorism in the southern periphery of the European Union is openly --- and Greece in 1967 and in Honduras in 2010, or covertly as in Colombia to protect the dysfunctional --- capitalist production relations and interests of the powerful, is no problem on a continent whose rulers invented fascism, the Falange and nazism. And in whose cradle of modernity, France, the government (Pompidou, de Gaulle) surrounded the May 29, 1968 Paris with the French Army tanks to break the general strike of workers and students, if necessary.

The threat to use state violence against the resistance of the poor is complemented by a report that Merrill Lynch-Capgemini reports that the world's rich became even richer in the world's worst capitalist crisis since the Great Depression of the thirties . The number of millionaires worldwide rose last year to ten million (+ 17%), which together represent a total wealth of 39 billion dollars. Of these plutocrats, 2.87 million live in the U.S., 1.65 million in Japan, 861.000 477.00 in Germany and in China.

The reading of both information --- Barroso's warning and the perverse growth of wealth of the plutocrats in times of severe global financial crisis --- leaves no doubt about the class character of capitalism we live and the main subject, the big bourgeoisie. If it is necessary to establish concentration camps to protect profits, as in the thirties, these guys set them again.

For the majority, and critical intellectuals, the lesson is equally clear. It should emulate the attitude of European intellectual labor movement and 1847. When in 1847 it was clear that 1848 would be a year of great social and political upheavals, the European avant-garde commissioned Marx and Engels to draw up a Regional Programme of Action that would guide the masses to defend their legitimate interests. This program of strategic alternatives and tactical measures, was the "Communist Manifesto."

Today we know the mode of production of XXI Century Socialism --- democratic planning, work value and principle of equivalence and its political superstructure --- (Ueberbau), participatory democracy. What we lack, in contrast to 1847, trade unions and intellectuals are class-conscious and critical theory. Therefore, the majority in Europe are defenseless against the threat 'apocalyptic "bourgeois state terrorism of its highest officials just released.

Die Neue Zeit
3rd July 2010, 21:50
Where's the link? Also, my cynicism towards the European Commission has reached new heights, in that the EU would allow military tyrannies as members. :rolleyes:

RedScare
3rd July 2010, 22:07
Surely it's just a lot of blustering. They're not going to actually do it. They lambaste Lukashenko in Belarus as being the "last dictator left in Europe" all the time, I cannot believe the EU would accept military dictatorships in Spain, Portugal, and Greece, even in response to the economic crisis, it would go against absolutely everything they're supposed to stand for.

F9
3rd July 2010, 22:30
Idiotic person, making idiotic remarks just to scare the workers and the people off
Even trying to think something like that for real, in greece at least, i think this will be the end of them, people are certainly not going to accept another junta, even the old people will revolt.
There is definitely a need from workers of those countries and others, to point out that such stupid points and claims, show the hypocrisy of EU, and how they are lenient to fascism, and that such things wont get accepted bu the people, who fucks what EU and barroso thinks, if he wouldnt have problem with military dictaroship, people do have problem.

Fuserg9:star:

RadioRaheem84
3rd July 2010, 22:34
Why would he even joke about that? Where is the link?

Jolly Red Giant
4th July 2010, 01:14
Come on guys - use google - it took me ten seconds -

http://euobserver.com/9/30271

F9
4th July 2010, 01:17
Come on guys - use google - it took me ten seconds -

http://euobserver.com/9/30271

google is reactionary, and it leaks our info, and also ten seconds?ten seconds from our time could judge if we are making a successful revolution or not, dont underestimate 10 seconds.

Jolly Red Giant
4th July 2010, 02:31
Yawn

BAM
4th July 2010, 06:49
The article in the OP is highly misleading. First, it nowhere quotes Barroso on the likelihood of coups. Then, when I looked at the EU Observer article, which the first piece had been recycled from, I find the quote from John Monks:


"I had a discussion with Barroso last Friday about what can be done for Greece, Spain, Portugal and the rest and his message was blunt: 'Look, if they do not carry out these austerity packages, these countries could virtually disappear in the way that we know them as democracies. They've got no choice, this is it'."

"He's very, very worried. He shocked us with an apocalyptic vision of democracies in Europe collapsing because of the state of indebtedness."

Nothing about Barroso "threatening" military coups.

RadioRaheem84
4th July 2010, 15:33
I figured as much. But could Barroso be talking about people opting for socialism and thus eliminating "democracy".

Jolly Red Giant
5th July 2010, 00:10
I figured as much. But could Barroso be talking about people opting for socialism and thus eliminating "democracy".
More likely to be a reference to the potential of the far-right. The 1930's would still be playing on their minds given the mess they made of the economy.

REDSOX
5th July 2010, 15:38
Is this the same Juan barroso who used to be a MAOIST around the time of the Carnation revolution in portugal in 1974???? If so what a journey he has taken like so many other of his colleagues in the EU from revolutionary to neo liberal fruitcake

bcbm
5th July 2010, 19:43
fruitcake

thats a homophobic term.

RadioRaheem84
5th July 2010, 19:50
thats a homophobic term.

I think he meant to call him nutcake, meaning crazy.

BAM
5th July 2010, 19:57
wikipedia (the source of all true knowledge, as we all know ;) ) says:


Referring to someone as being "as nutty as a fruitcake" implies that the person is mad, strange, insane, or very silly. "Fruitcake" is also used, especially in the United Kingdom, as slang for a gay person (e.g., "He's a complete fruitcake").[9] It is derived from the expression "gay as a fruitcake," which was first recorded in 1935.

I can honestly say, as someone from the UK, that I have never heard of someone saying "fruitcake" as a homophobic insult, but only jokingly to denote that someone is crazy. "Fruit", yes, but "fruitcake", no.

gorillafuck
5th July 2010, 20:01
Surely it's just a lot of blustering. They're not going to actually do it. They lambaste Lukashenko in Belarus as being the "last dictator left in Europe" all the time, I cannot believe the EU would accept military dictatorships in Spain, Portugal, and Greece, even in response to the economic crisis, it would go against absolutely everything they're supposed to stand for.
You're overestimating how much they're willing to adhere to their own stated ideals, America says it stands for democracy but it propped up the fascist junta in Greece (just one example).

He's threatening fascism because there is are active workers movements in these countries and I wouldn't take this lightly. Just because the Soviet Union isn't around as an excuse to install military dictatorships anymore doesn't mean that fascist military dictatorships can't spring up in the face of an uprising like it did in Greece with the junta.

RadioRaheem84
5th July 2010, 20:05
The misconception is that the USSR was the reason for propping up dictatorships. This was never the case; popular revolt by the people against capitalist interests was always the case. Since before the advent of the USSR, the Western Powers have crushed popular movements toward political and economic independence. The USSR itself, when it first came into existence, was also subject to the West's bombardment.

So there is no need for a counterweight to stop any Western nation from seeking an "an emergency makeshift" in case of armed popular rebellion.

Although in this instance I am shocked that Barroso would even suggest such a thing.

RebelDog
6th July 2010, 06:31
wikipedia (the source of all true knowledge, as we all know ;) ) says:



I can honestly say, as someone from the UK, that I have never heard of someone saying "fruitcake" as a homophobic insult, but only jokingly to denote that someone is crazy. "Fruit", yes, but "fruitcake", no.

First time I have heard it in this context also.

Paul Cockshott
6th July 2010, 15:11
The article in the OP is highly misleading. First, it nowhere quotes Barroso on the likelihood of coups. Then, when I looked at the EU Observer article, which the first piece had been recycled from, I find the quote from John Monks:



Nothing about Barroso "threatening" military coups.

Collapsing as democracies? What other interpretation can be put on this given the history of these countries.

REDSOX
6th July 2010, 17:39
In britain Fruitcake means a nutter, insane, crackers, mad. It does not in any way shape or form mean anything anti homosexual. Just to clear that up for the comrades abroad:)