"Arm the Homeless"

[The Vegan Marxist]

Whenever we're recruiting for revolutionary warfare, or merely to gain more numbers under solidarity, should the homeless be a key ally to recruit & train?

[FreeFocus]

Why not house the homeless first?

[Sam_b]

Whenever we're recruiting for revolutionary warfare

fap fap fap

[khad]

A great percentage of homeless people you see there on the street are mentally unstable. They need help, not a gun.

There's a reason why Marx considered lumpenproletarians unreliable for the cause of revolution.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

Fuck that lumpen shit.

When at a hostel, i encountered a homeless man, who was on cruches and had a bust lung, no one would talk to him or anything, i spent ten minutes with him, and felt so sorry for the guy, he, is a testament to thirdworldists that they are morons.

He was in the room next to me, he kept screaming and punching the wallks, eventually i was so spooked i fucked off and slept at a mates, but i should have stayed, maybe even tried to get him some clothes and whatnot.

i did leave him some food and suplies i had.

my point is, they are just hard up workers, something like half the homeless population used to be in their national army, they were used, then cast aside.

They have no luxuries, they go through more ridicule and oppression than gays and blacks in society.

they are truly, the most revolutionary among us, they are the dispossesed, they have the most potentiel, the sooner we can get homeless people into communes, the sooner we will see the most revolutionary comrades emerge.

[Lyev]

I think we need to prioritize: "recruiting for revolutionary warfare" is meaningless at the moment, and certainly not a priority, unless you're some sort of fucked Blanqui-ist, and such infantile phrases make us sound ridiculous. Plus, as the comrade above said, the homeless deserve a better life than capitalism gave them.

[bailey_187]

Fuck that lumpen shit.

When at a hostel, i encountered a homeless man, who was on cruches and had a bust lung, no one would talk to him or anything, i spent ten minutes with him, and felt so sorry for the guy, he, is a testament to thirdworldists that they are morons.

He was in the room next to me, he kept screaming and punching the wallks, eventually i was so spooked i fucked off and slept at a mates, but i should have stayed, maybe even tried to get him some clothes and whatnot.

i did leave him some food and suplies i had.

my point is, they are just hard up workers, something like half the homeless population used to be in their national army, they were used, then cast aside.

They have no luxuries, they go through more ridicule and oppression than gays and blacks in society.

they are truly, the most revolutionary among us, they are the dispossesed, they have the most potentiel, the sooner we can get homeless people into communes, the sooner we will see the most revolutionary comrades emerge.

Yeah, so you wanted the help the guy. Thats good and the correct thing to do.

At no point though did you think giving him a gun was a good idea though did you?(considering he was punching the wall and screaming)

I dont know as a whole, but the majority of homless where i live are mentally ill or dug addict. Be real, giving them a gun is not going to end well. As Khad said, they need help not guns.

[khad]

I think we need to prioritize: "recruiting for revolutionary warfare" is meaningless at the moment, and certainly not a priority, unless you're some sort of fucked Blanqui-ist, and such infantile phrases make us sound ridiculous. Plus, as the comrade above said, the homeless deserve a better life than capitalism gave them.
Better life does not necessarily equal giving them guns. Surprisingly enough, you'll find a considerable amount of knee-jerk patriotism among the homeless, especially because it becomes one of the few things they can cling to. They can be desperate, but desperation alone doesn't necessarily make a good revolutionary. You should ask the Afghan National Army how they're doing with their crop of druggies and kids with no options (often run out of their villages for various crimes).

It's a fact that many, many of the homeless are mentally unhinged from years of abuse on the streets. "Cleaning them up"--ie getting them off drugs and housing them with a supportive environment should come before mobilizing them for political action.

I would say that the homeless that are more recruitable for leftwing causes are the ones that you rarely see on the street--the single mothers and the ones temporarily out of work but still looking. That people in this thread perceive "street" homeless as the mass of the homeless just shows how many middle class white kids there are here. If anyone has actually seriously encountered poverty in an urban setting, you would know that the majority of homeless are 1) female and 2) indoors.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The homeless are a very marginal section (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16564208/) of the population, at least in the United States. Seeing as they're a very marginal section of the total population, I expect that their influence in a mass struggle will also be very marginal.

I genuinely feel sorry for a lot of homeless people...not the people who accost me for change whenever I go to my local convience store, though. I know for a fact that those people actually have homes, and they always seem to ask me for money whenever I get off from my job, and I'm tired and covered with paint and sweat and drywall. I almost go into hulk smash mode everytime. :mad:

[danyboy27]

this thread sound like a sequel of the one talking about using forklift has weapon against cops.

i expect a revleft group to be created soon....

[The Vegan Marxist]

Why not house the homeless first?

Under the present conditions of the homeless, under capitalism, homing them would be a possible act of negligence to the cops' eyes, leading to unnecessary prosecution. It's bad enough that we can get arrested by merely feeding them. In areas such as nepal, philippines, etc., those that were kicked off their land &/or homes by the landlords, it tooked armed conflict, whether violent or peaceful, to bring the homeless/landless back into a home, & to keep them there.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

Khad, thats what i meant, but i would advocate setting up a commune for homeless people, so we could find as many of them a home as soon as possible, while keeping a longterm operation, economically viable.

Also what, should we just dismiss them from political work, fuck guns and all that nonsense,but they will become political when communists start a war on poverty, and help them, rather than a war on drugs to lock them away.

Drug and alcohol rehabilitation centres are important, they need to be surrounded by love, street life is lonely, love is what they need, with a dose of marxism, a spoonfull of workers control helps the propoganda go down

[Sam_b]

it tooked armed conflict, whether violent or peaceful

'Peaceful' armed conflict?

fap fap fap

[Lyev]

Better life does not necessarily equal giving them guns. Surprisingly enough, you'll find a considerable amount of knee-jerk patriotism among the homeless, especially because it becomes one of the few things they can cling to. They can be desperate, but desperation alone doesn't necessarily make a good revolutionary. You should ask the Afghan National Army how they're doing with their crop of druggies and kids with no options (often run out of their villages for various crimes).

It's a fact that many, many of the homeless are mentally unhinged from years of abuse on the streets. "Cleaning them up"--ie getting them off drugs and housing them with a supportive environment should come before mobilizing them for political action.

I would say that the homeless that are more recruitable for leftwing causes are the ones that you rarely see on the street--the single mothers and the ones temporarily out of work but still looking.Precisely, I think giving the homeless guns before giving decent housing, food, clothes, access to hygiene etc., is a bloody awful idea. I have never actually heard much patriotism from any homeless folk: you would think they would hate their own countries for rejecting them from society. Equally, I can understand why someone with little else would consider themselves a patriot, because then at least they belong somewhere and own something; that something being their identity, even if it is phoney.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

The homeless are a very marginal section (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16564208/) of the population, at least in the United States. Seeing as they're a very marginal section of the total population, I expect that their influence in a mass struggle will also be very marginal.

I genuinely feel sorry for a lot of homeless people...not the people who accost me for change whenever I go to my local convience store, though. I know for a fact that those people actually have homes, and they always seem to ask me for money whenever I get off from my job, and I'm tired and covered with paint and sweat and drywall. I almost go into hulk smash mode everytime. :mad:



thats disgusting, you sound like my reactionary gran, who says they are conning people.

at 7 years old i said she should shut up and gave my treacle unopened lolipop to one, she was like you "he will just trade it for whiskey"

[durhamleft]

Only on revleft would someone suggest overthrowing the government with an army of tramps!

[The Red Next Door]

Better life does not necessarily equal giving them guns. Surprisingly enough, you'll find a considerable amount of knee-jerk patriotism among the homeless, especially because it becomes one of the few things they can cling to. They can be desperate, but desperation alone doesn't necessarily make a good revolutionary. You should ask the Afghan National Army how they're doing with their crop of druggies and kids with no options (often run out of their villages for various crimes).

It's a fact that many, many of the homeless are mentally unhinged from years of abuse on the streets. "Cleaning them up"--ie getting them off drugs and housing them with a supportive environment should come before mobilizing them for political action.

I would say that the homeless that are more recruitable for leftwing causes are the ones that you rarely see on the street--the single mothers and the ones temporarily out of work but still looking. That people in this thread perceive "street" homeless as the mass of the homeless just shows how many middle class white kids there are here. If anyone has actually seriously encountered poverty in an urban setting, you would know that the majority of homeless are 1) female and 2) indoors.


May I ask, What is Your class background? Plus I agree with you. there some revleftists aka the redson was homeless.

[Os Cangaceiros]

thats disgusting, you sound like my reactionary gran, who says they are conning people.

They're not homeless, though; that's my point. The people I'm talking about just want extra money. They live right across the street for god's sake.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

i DONT agree with giving homeless people guns.

I WASNT the one who said that

Read my posts

having said that, i think once brought into a loving caring solid communal society, they can be politicised,and will become far more revolutionary than us here on revleft.

they have suffered the conditions, that if the whole populous faced, revolution would happen in a matter of weeks.

Once a man or woman has lived through them conditions, they know what capitalism does, they are the most radical among us.

those in care too, should be taken out of state hell holes where rape and abuse is rampant, and live in workers ran communes, or take over empty houses.

[The Red Next Door]

Under the present conditions of the homeless, under capitalism, homing them would be a possible act of negligence to the cops' eyes, leading to unnecessary prosecution. It's bad enough that we can get arrested by merely feeding them. In areas such as nepal, philippines, etc., those that were kicked off their land &/or homes by the landlords, it tooked armed conflict, whether violent or peaceful, to bring the homeless/landless back into a home, & to keep them there.

But First we need to clean them up, mind,body, and spirit.

[danyboy27]

thats disgusting, you sound like my reactionary gran, who says they are conning people.

at 7 years old i said she should shut up and gave my treacle unopened lolipop to one, she was like you "he will just trade it for whiskey"


depend of the place you live i guess.

in my city, this is something some folks do has a hobby after work.
one of my former collegues i had stopped giving money to beggar beccause he have a shitload of friend who actually do that, they go to work, have a regular well paid job, and right after job, they wear old rags and ask change to the tourist on their way back home.

i dont have the pretention this is like this everywhere, but in my city, there are some folks who are doing it.

[khad]

Precisely, I think giving the homeless guns before giving decent housing, food, clothes, access to hygiene etc., is a bloody awful idea. I have never actually heard much patriotism from any homeless folk: you would think they would hate their own countries for rejecting them from society.
You also find a lot of Christian ideology. When you've fallen that far, whatever ideology you can cling to that prevents you from going entirely insane is a crutch that you need. I don't knock it. It's not ideal, but it's certainly understandable. I've had homeless Vietnam vets tell me how they are proud of their service and how if Uncle Sam calls, they'd step up to the plate again.

There's also within the homeless a distinct hierarchy, a pecking order if you will. If you see a homeless guy consistently occupying a choice begging spot, there's a good chance that he's run other people off. A bit of antagonism is quite obvious if you go and ask around. The guys at the top of the food chain are the ones who have goods to sell--often hawking books or dumpstered pornos.

[The Red Next Door]

I should add, that doing this VM. will seem to others as opportunistic.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

and exploitative

[Lyev]

You also find a lot of Christian ideology. When you've fallen that far, whatever ideology you can cling to that prevents you from going entirely insane is a crutch that you need. I don't knock it. It's not ideal, but it's certainly understandable. I've had homeless Vietnam vets tell me how they are proud of their service and how if Uncle Sam calls, they'd step up to the plate again.I think that ultimately comes down to having at least some sort of purpose or direction, no matter how futile or meaningless it really is. And I often see the same guy sleeping in a church doorway actually, so I wonder how many homeless folk are "religious" simply because the church actually feeds, houses etc. them.


There's also within the homeless a distinct hierarchy, a pecking order if you will. If you see a homeless guy consistently occupying a choice begging spot, there's a good chance that he's run other people off. A bit of antagonism is quite obvious if you go and ask around. The guys at the top of the food chain are the ones who have goods to sell--often hawking books or dumpstered pornos.Living without a home must be unimaginably difficult. I have heard of homeless people even getting their shoes stolen from them whilst they're asleep, and I often hear of specific incidents where some twat thought it would be funny to piss on a homeless man or something. But, there's even the case or two the homeless are assaulted and killed. And again, from what I've seen, there seems to be the direct opposite to what you're saying. The homeless people that I have seen are always in the same group, i.e., they look out for each other. Then again, I live in a fairly small suburban town, with rural surroudings: not a big industrial city, so the dynamic might be different.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

i watched this thing about the homeless people in the US, some have been burnt to death,some stabbed, somewomen kept as slaves.

Its fucking disgusting

[bricolage]

Whenever we're recruiting for revolutionary warfare,

Revolution isn't warfare.


or merely to gain more numbers under solidarity,Gain numbers? What is this, a game?


should the homeless be a key ally to recruit & train?The homeless are the homeless. They are human beings not things we 'train'.

[meow]

arm the homeless. if nothing else maybe they can defend themselves against scum who attack them.

[Glenn Beck]

here i was thinking it would be good to arm the homeless. (assuming you are talking about the usa). but not for the reasons mentioned i guess. but more because they are some of the most down-trodden, exploited folk in society. if a homeless person gets raped, who cares? if a homeless person is murdered, who cares? who will even notice they are gone?

so, yes we should be arming the homeless. give them the means to defend themselves against exploiters, abusers, cops (wait i repeat my self), and other scum.

also, all those who paint an entire group of people as if they are the same... are all blacks rapists? are all latinos lazy? of course not! it is an insult to say that! ok, it may be true that a larger percentage of people without homes are mentally unstable compared to the rest of the population. i dont know. i havent seen any stats, evidence etc. (possibly because no one cares enough to do the study?)

however, it in no way means that the entire population of people currently living without a home are unsuited to do anything. there are various reasons why people are homeless. lost your job, cant pay the rent. kicked out of home by parents. leaving because parents or partner are abusive. mentally unstable and think that the purple people from the plant zaar are in control of the government and are coming to get you. parents lost their job and cant pay the rent (and so the whole family is on the streets). once you dont have a home, and no place to store your nice clothes, and no way to wash everyday, it makes it so much harder to get a job! and so you stay homeless.

in conclusion, fuck all you bastards who say that the entire 'lumpen' are worthless, and include all those without homes in that. fuck you!

Dude what the hell are you talking about? So our options are either: "FUCK THE HOMELESS GRR" or "FREE GUNS FOR EVERYONE ON THE STREET"?

I mean, really. Also aren't you that person that was in favor of child labor?

[The Vegan Marxist]

It's amazing how many simply attacked the question instead of clearly answering the question, whether in agreement or disagreement. This goes to Sam especially. Your remarks are counterproductive and should be removed. Those that responded decently & productively, whether in agreement or disagreement, thank you. I'd have to agree with the disagreers.

[DaComm]

Whenever we're recruiting for revolutionary warfare, or merely to gain more numbers under solidarity, should the homeless be a key ally to recruit & train?


Yes, I think so at least. I mean, a great percentage of the homeless, despite what the common idiotic consensus is (that their poor because they spend it all on drugs), are indeed homeless because of the Capitalist Society which purposely prevents many jobs from being used (due to Capitalist fear of over-producing which inherently leads to product value decreasing) and has economic crisis’s which lead to many poverty-stricken people. The class interest of many "lumpenproletariat", who are more often than not, simply workers who currently are jobless, is the class interest of the workers. I mean, every worker in Capitalism is susceptible to become poor for reasons outside of their control. They start out as workers, but are we to label them as hostile hooligans once Capitalism has victimized them? Sorry, I don't think that's quite fair.

[meow]

basically homeless people are people to. they are exploited and oppressed like everyone else. if they had guns though the illegal elements would eb leess likely to try and take advantage of them.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I don't see these hypothetical revolutionary situations that are sometimes laid out in topics as very conducive to furthering the current situation. As Free Focus said, housing the homeless is a more tangible goal at this point in time. Undoubtedly within a revolutionary situation I expect the homeless to fight for the revolution but although I see the label of lumpenproletariat seriously flawed it has to be taken into account that there is precedent in history (and I'm thinking of the struggle against Apartheid in South Africa) where the state and capitalist class have employed the homeless to fight for them.

[danyboy27]

giving weapon to the homeless is not a good idea.

what those people need is mental care, food and shelter.

our job is to help those individual, not using them in a weird opportunistic scheme.

[Sam_b]

It's amazing how many simply attacked the question instead of clearly answering the question, whether in agreement or disagreement. This goes to Sam especially

Well the question was completely bankrupt, so...

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

Bankrupt? .... Maybe

Insane? .... Possibly


Original? .... HELL YEAH

[Glenn Beck]

and no im not in favor of child labor. im in favor of scrapping child labor laws as they currently stand, because they do no favors for the children. i believe in giving children more options than they currently have so that they can leave home earlier if they wish.


Considering you've just basically outed yourself as a Libertarian, do you also support voluntary slave contracts i.e. indentured servitude? It's not an insane or fictional question, I mean a lot of South Asian workers do just that in the U.A.E. to scrape together some cash to send back to their families. The same argument is made in favor of sweatshops. I'm sure you support those too, 'cause the more options the better right? :rolleyes:

You're either a pretty clever troll or just totally nuts.

EDIT: Here's what Libertarian sociopath Walter Block (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Block) has to say on the issue:


You are a rich man who has long desired to have me as a slave, to order about as you will, even to kill me for disobedience or on the basis of any other whim which may occur to you. My child has now fallen ill with a dread disease. Fortunately, there is a cure. Unfortunately, it will cost one million dollars, and I, a poor man, do not have such funds at my disposal. Fortunately, you are willing to pay me this amount if I sign myself over to you as a slave, which I am very willing to do since my child’s life is vastly more important to me than my own liberty, or even my own life. Unfortunately, this would be illegal, at least if the doctrine of inalienability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienability) (non-transferability) is valid. If so, then you, the rich man, will not buy me into slavery, for I can run away at any time, and the forces of law and order will come to my rescue, not yours, if you try to stop me by force.Sounds pretty reasonable right? I mean all laws against slave contracts do is invite the State to come in and boss people around with force. Ideally everyone would be free and equal and there wouldn't be any laws or jobs or contracts or even the potential for slavery to happen but until then we should make sure people have as many choices as possible! We don't need the State coming in and fucking things up.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Original? .... HELL YEAH

But not really.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3879816773_8bf7d3bb61.jpg

[x371322]

But not really.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3879816773_8bf7d3bb61.jpg

And don't forget Tom Morello's guitar of the same name:

http://vanzguitars.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sfhn.jpg

[Wolf Larson]

Khad, thats what i meant, but i would advocate setting up a commune for homeless people, so we could find as many of them a home as soon as possible, while keeping a longterm operation, economically viable.

Also what, should we just dismiss them from political work, fuck guns and all that nonsense,but they will become political when communists start a war on poverty, and help them, rather than a war on drugs to lock them away.

Drug and alcohol rehabilitation centres are important, they need to be surrounded by love, street life is lonely, love is what they need, with a dose of marxism, a spoonfull of workers control helps the propoganda go down

http://www.delanceystreetfoundation.org/

[meow]

glenn beck is a stupid head.

[meow]

giving people guns who otherwise have nothing will make there life better!

[Glenn Beck]

That you think children would be better off as a whole by legalizing child labor is nothing short of insane. You don't just say "child labor laws aren't enough", which is obvious and true; you actually advocate removing restrictions on child labor because you think it would improve things. It's just bizarre.

[meow]

That you think children would be better off as a whole by legalizing child labor is nothing short of insane. You don't just say "child labor laws aren't enough", which is obvious and true; you actually advocate removing restrictions on child labor because you think it would improve things. It's just bizarre.
bleh what a stupid argument

[Blackscare]

Why not just advocate for more effective help/housing if you're going to take a reformist view on an issue like child homelessness? If you legalize child labor so they can pay rent, then you have to basically emancipate children so they can legally rent.

Thats just the most ass-backwards approach to a topic I've ever seen. There are more than enough resources to take the situation under control, if the government really cared.

[RED DAVE]

so, because the best options arent going to happen, an option is to revise child labor laws so that they can actually survive, have enough money to rent etc. sure, for people under about 15 or so it is not likely to help, but for those who it could help, surely it is better to help them!What makes you think that you're a revolutionary and not some kind of a libertarian capitalist?

RED DAVE

[meow]

What makes you think that you're a revolutionary and not some kind of a libertarian capitalist?
no you

[Adi Shankara]

Interesting food for thought: in South Africa, there is a revolutionary union that consists entirely of shack dwellers, the homeless, and their allies called Abahlali baseMjondolo (http://www.abahlali.org/). they basically are taking their lives back into their own hands through protest, the building of communes, free schooling, food, etc. and nation-wide support systems offered to their base.

This, comrades, is communism developing naturally as a reaction to capitalism.

(http://www.abahlali.org/)

[bricolage]

Interesting food for thought: in South Africa, there is a revolutionary union that consists entirely of shack dwellers, the homeless, and their allies called Abahlali baseMjondolo (http://www.abahlali.org/). they basically are taking their lives back into their own hands through protest, the building of communes, free schooling, food, etc. and nation-wide support systems offered to their base.

I made a usergroup about Abahlali a while ago but it never really got off the ground; http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=457

I'd be very much interested in discussion about the group as I think they are only of the most promising development in terms of recent organisation and in narrowing the community vs workplace divide.


This, comrades, is communism developing naturally as a reaction to capitalism.

You might be interested in reading the 'living communism' interview with S'bu Zikode that I put as a blog here, I think it is on the right by organisation etc whenever I post.

[Robocommie]

It's a fact that many, many of the homeless are mentally unhinged from years of abuse on the streets. "Cleaning them up"--ie getting them off drugs and housing them with a supportive environment should come before mobilizing them for political action.

Well shit, not to mention that a lot of the ones who were soldiers are suffering from PTSD, and that's often a major factor in why they're homeless.

[Fullmetal Anarchist]

Ahem... *Puts on revleft military expert cap and cracks knuckles ominously*. Okay you 'orrible lot what's this about giving rifles to the homeless?
For starters where you going to get the rifles from? Second the dicipline problems would be ridiculous and third why not create a armed militia? I tell you they'd be 10 times more effective than a gang of armed bums and conventional forces would really struggle (see Iraq & Afghanistan). Never mind me though I'm just a burnt out squaddie. It's not as if I know what I'm talking about. lol

[this is an invasion]

TVM is taking a media stunt that happened several years ago seriously.

[bloodbeard]

I thought the slogan was "feed the homeless." :)

[bloodbeard]

In all seriousness though, you'll be exploiting them by arming them and asking them to join your causes. They are too physically weak and too hungry and full of despair, not mention needing medical and psychiatric help, in many cases.

[DaComm]

In all seriousness though, you'll be exploiting them by arming them and asking them to join your causes. They are too physically weak and too hungry and full of despair, not mention needing medical and psychiatric help, in many cases.


What's with this dogma that every homeless person is mentally instable, nay, this is the reason for their condition? Vegan Marxist said recruitment, not conscription; those capable and willing to perform combat will be gladly accepted into the revolutionary force; is more along the lines of what he meant. If they are too weak, too hungry, or too despairing, then they will not be in the ranks of those who are fighting. Besides, we cannot just assume every homeless person is in the condition of an Auschwitz survivor, and neglecting their potential as military forces would be downright not-so-revolutionary, in my opinion.

[bloodbeard]

What's with this dogma that every homeless person is mentally instable, nay, this is the reason for their condition? Vegan Marxist said recruitment, not conscription; those capable and willing to perform combat will be gladly accepted into the revolutionary force; is more along the lines of what he meant. If they are too weak, too hungry, or too despairing, then they will not be in the ranks of those who are fighting. Besides, we cannot just assume every homeless person is in the condition of an Auschwitz survivor, and neglecting their potential as military forces would be downright not-so-revolutionary, in my opinion.


Why focus on the homeless? There could be "capable and willing" revolutionaries in all walks of life, is it based on the presumption that the homeless would be easier to recruit? Do you think they will be prone to left wing politics by "the virtue" of their suffering? Many homeless (on the streets that is) are alcoholics who are usually in need a good meal and a shower. A revolution may not be exactly what they are looking for. :rolleyes: If the recruitment turn out to be a success with one or two or a few, good but this is not to say the same will not happen when you recruit OTHER groups of people.

[RebelDog]

The homeless should empower themselves and our role should be to help and encourage them. There are 1million empty properties in the UK, from unused stock through to the rich scums holiday homes. They should ideally be taken over by community housing associations but until that is possible they should simply be occupied by homeless people and we should rally round to prevent eviction. The homelessness problem is not going to be solved until the housing construction, planning and stock is controlled democratically by the communities and allocated on a basis of need. I can only imagine that now we are in the midst of long misirable cuts in social spending that the amount of homeless people is sadly going to rise. There is no housing shortage in the UK, only the chaos and insanity of the market.

[FreeFocus]

There could be room for arming the homeless as part of a larger program. For example, it is feasible to use arms to defend squatting settlements or occupied homes taken over to house people (e.g., foreclosed homes that those in need of housing take). However, you can't do this without the prerequisite organization.

[meow]

There could be room for arming the homeless as part of a larger program. For example, it is feasible to use arms to defend squatting settlements or occupied homes taken over to house people (e.g., foreclosed homes that those in need of housing take). However, you can't do this without the prerequisite organization.
sure you could.

[FreeFocus]

sure you could. it only needs the squatters in a particular house or settlement to defend themselves and thier settlement. the only organization needed is to make sure the people who need them have guns. they then proceed with the defence.

sure it might be more effective propaganda wise if you had lots of people doing it at the same time. but it is hardly needed.

No, you need the prerequisite organization, unless you want people going on a dummy mission and getting slaughtered (Cops: "Oh, these homeless criminals won't leave this house. Let's level it."). That's not what I'd want to see. This would require a very solid movement to house the homeless, a mass campaign with awareness being raised. It also couldn't exist in isolation: other groups would need to express solidarity and also provide defense, food, etc.

[commie 13]

Whenever we're recruiting for revolutionary warfare, or merely to gain more numbers under solidarity, should the homeless be a key ally to recruit & train?

yes if they are mentally stable enough to pick up a gun and not go crazy on random people for no reason then they would be a great help.