Amerikkkan Christian nutcases

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

OK, on this young turks video on youtube, two people ring acorn and air theiir views, which are apparently pretty casual for yanks.

Apparently, Obama is a nigger and they are going to hang him.

The second caller, a pro life christian, says we should let all immigrants kids die, oh the fucking irony

here; watch if you dare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXh3elLDOOc&feature=channel

This one is where a woman says we should all be concerned that obama's father was a muslim, she id disgusted his mother was an atheist and thinks it is disgraceful that a man called obama could be elected president ???

I want to kill her, but she ways like 200lbs, so it could go the distance

here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QYwsM17a2M&feature=channel

seriously, i said to greencommunism thirdworldists were pricks, but im starting to sympathise with them.

This ignorance isn't just a result of propoganda, she clearly likes the way things are.

im going to the caves to find my old pen pal.

[Raúl Duke]

Don't ever sympathize with the 3rd worldists...this is no cause to. It's a condescending theory and more absurd if the proponents reside in the 1st world.

See, there are always a few nutcases. In the case of the U.S., they make a sizeable and visable minority but a minority nonetheless.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

there was also like a thousand effergies burnt of obama, monkey shirts sold, nazi group recruitment has soared, i mean, the american proletariat is black latino mexican with some real poor white motherfuckers thrown in.

you might work for a capitalist, but if you side with him, love him, are willing to die for him, then you are not a part of the working class.

i just don't see how these people are ever going to change.

[Raúl Duke]

there was also like a thousand effergies burnt of obama, monkey shirts sold, nazi group recruitment has soared, i mean, the american proletariat is black latino mexican with some real poor white motherfuckers thrown in.


The mainstream media, specifically Faux News, make the tea party appear bigger than they really are.

In reality, they're actually smaller than the antiwar movement pre-2008 election.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

so are most workers in America just like european workers, or do they know that capitalismis bad,they just like it and choose to participate in it?

[Raúl Duke]

I'm not exactly sure, it's regionally dependent.

But from my small experiences in the workforce (in Florida) and from little I read, it's not like the whole working class is full of crazy goose-stepping "christian soldiers."

[ed miliband]

1. I haven't ever been to the U.S.A. but I am incredibly doubtful that such views are common place. It seems to me that there are a very vocal minority who are given an immense amount of media coverage. On the one hand sections of the Establishment supportive of Obama and the Democrats embrace things like this because all criticism of Obama can be cast aside as 'right-wing' and 'loony'. It's very telling that left-wing critiques of Obama (of which there are an abundance) rarely, if ever, get heard by the general public. Similiarly, those conservative opponents of Obama are willing to embrace and even provoke the most negative and extreme responses to Obama for obvious reasons.

2. If you don't think people say things like that because of propaganda* then why do you believe that people have such beliefs? You seem to be suggesting that racism is a naturally occuring phenomena which is pre-determined - it isn't.

My dad used to read stories about immigration and was very vocally against it. Now he seems to be quite the opposite. People aren't born with the propensity to be racist or xenophobic.

*and other external influences, obviously.

[Nolan]

The mainstream media, specifically Faux News, make the tea party appear bigger than they really are.

In reality, they're actually smaller than the antiwar movement pre-2008 election.

This. And where the anti-war movement was a genuine grassroots movement, the tea party is astroturfed, mostly by media outlets such as Fox, even though CNN and Msnbc give them ungodly amounts of attention. Wealthy families even payed for transportation to some of the big rallies.

Without the rich at the top pushing the movement, it would collapse on itself.

[Nolan]

1. I haven't ever been to the U.S.A. but I am incredibly doubtful that such views are common place. It seems to me that there are a very vocal minority who are given an immense amount of media coverage. On the one hand sections of the Establishment supportive of Obama and the Democrats embrace things like this because all criticism of Obama can be cast aside as 'right-wing' and 'loony'. It's very telling that left-wing critiques of Obama (of which there are an abundance) rarely, if ever, get heard by the general public. Similiarly, those conservative opponents of Obama are willing to embrace and even provoke the most negative and extreme responses to Obama for obvious reasons.

I live in a rural area, and I can tell you that such views aren't a minority, but the norm. I think it would suprise you that Obama gets called a Muslim more than he is called a Marxist.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

captain cuba, what i mean is, they know that they are in iraq for oil, on a right wing forum one woman said, if them islamists don't give us oil, we should take it.

they have a belief that they are pure white judeo christians and all other peoples are inferior, its rediculous, but it is a huge thing in America as far as i can tell.

Anyone who calls Obama a Marxist, is against slight reform, so how do we deal with these people, i would like to see them in a mix of petrol orange concentrate and styrophome cups, but hey, thats just me.

[ogdenville]

There are plenty of degenerates like them in the U.S, but they are mostly a fringe even on the right in my experience. The larger problem with working class consciousness is apathy in my view.

[Raúl Duke]

I live in a rural area, and I can tell you that such views aren't a minority, but the norm. I think it would suprise you that Obama gets called a Muslim more than he is called a Marxist.Yes, but that's a specific area. Across the nation, such views aren't the norm.

I've been to Florida, and even there not everyone is foaming at the mouth about Obama as it's depicted in the media "as the norm."

In NY and NJ, you seldom see those nutcases.

It's all regional.

[Wontonunist]

The mainstream media, specifically Faux News, make the tea party appear bigger than they really are.

In reality, they're actually smaller than the antiwar movement pre-2008 election.
Yeah, they're pretty much just angry old white men.

Oh, and Obama's father was a Muslim?! He must have been a terrorist!!!!1!1!1! /extreme sarcasm

[Nolan]

I'm on the computer in public. Look what I just overheard a minute ago.

Man:

Obama's gonna fix that oil leak.

Father:

Oh yeah?

Man:

Yeah, he's gonna nigger rig it.

[Uppercut]

Here in good ol' Washington, PA, these views are the norm here. We're an immensely conservative bumfuck town filled to the brim with right wingers. At my old high school (from which I recently graduated from) the young republicans outweigh the democrats by at least threefold. Every class President we've had throughout my years was republican and most of them are in the gifted classes, so they automatically feel they are better than everyone else and that conservatism is the only correct philosophy.

"Yeah, man. I got it all figured out. I'm smarter than everybody else and I don't want the government or those welfare bum immigrants takin' away my success. Obama's a socialist and wants to destroy America and make everyone dependent on big government. Fortunately, Jesus Christ will lead us down the correct path in the end. Excuse me while I go listen to the Limbaugh-Hannity hour."

Fucking idiots

[Hiratsuka]

captain cuba, what i mean is, they know that they are in iraq for oil, on a right wing forum one woman said, if them islamists don't give us oil, we should take it.

they have a belief that they are pure white judeo christians and all other peoples are inferior, its rediculous, but it is a huge thing in America as far as i can tell.

Anyone who calls Obama a Marxist, is against slight reform, so how do we deal with these people.

Perhaps first by not calling the United States "Amerikkka" and proceeding to claim that every other "Yank" wants to hang black people? Do you see anyone claiming that the majority of Britons are racist trash since the BNP has surged in popularity?

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

it was an inside joke relating to another thread

you reactionary wanker

[Hiratsuka]

Pardon me for thinking that any joke which asserts that the majority of American workers are so incredulously racist that they want black people hanged is not funny.

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

sorry, america is NOT racist.

what was i thinking

DEMOCRACY
FAITH
9/11

[ed miliband]

To suggest a country with a population of 307,006,550 is largely populated by racists has some pretty horrible implications.

May I ask if you live in a rural or urban area?

[Pretty Flaco]

I've met a few people that are sort of like this where I live, and honestly I have to use all of my self control not to lash out. And if you ask people like this why they think that way, they'll never give you a coherent or rational answer. These people are what truly scare me.

[Mindtoaster]

Part of this is that white people are vastly over-represented in the media, on call-in shows and such where you hear this kind of shit.

At least half the American Working Class (if not the majority) is going to be black or latino, and you don't hear much commentary from them on TV

[Hiratsuka]

sorry, america is NOT racist.

what was i thinking

DEMOCRACY
FAITH
9/11

Most Americans are not racist.

[Pretty Flaco]

Most Americans are not racist.

^ He's right. There is a very vocal racist minority in America, but they don't nearly come to representing the majority of Americans; who aren't racist.

Also, considering the vast size of this country, it's going to look like there are more racists, even if the percentage of them in population density is the same as smaller nations.
To put the size in perspective: the country where I was born is a medium sized country in population, but America beats the population of it by about a 100:1 ratio. :blink:

[Red Saxon]

There have been two KKK rallies in the town close to where I live (Ohio-Indiana border) but I haven't seen any activity since 2008.

[Nolan]

There have been two KKK rallies in the town close to where I live (Ohio-Indiana border) but I haven't seen any activity since 2008.

There is a KKK/nazi mixed group in a county bordering mine that at one time amounted to about 30+ people. They apparently tried to start a branch here and in a couple other counties, but it didn't last. I haven't heard anything about them for a while.

[Wolf Larson]

Don't ever sympathize with the 3rd worldists...this is no cause to. It's a condescending theory and more absurd if the proponents reside in the 1st world.

See, there are always a few nutcases. In the case of the U.S., they make a sizeable and visable minority but a minority nonetheless.

Not that I adhere to the 'third wordlists' but.....fuck obama. He's a capitalist and the tea party people are, in reality, not that different than the so called "liberal' capitalists. Get your head in the game man. In fact the liberal is more dangerous than the conservative as he fools more people into supporting the same policies.

'Nutcases' may be a 'minority' but the nation in general is fucking clueless at the moment. You shouldn't make excuses for the current state of American affairs/mindframe.

[Wolf Larson]

I'm not exactly sure, it's regionally dependent.

But from my small experiences in the workforce (in Florida) and from little I read, it's not like the whole working class is full of crazy goose-stepping "christian soldiers."

Well there in lies your problem. A lack of empirical data. As a ten year carpenter and pipe fitter who has also worked in the service industry I'm sorry to tell you the majority of American working class are either brainwashed, confused or are downright suffering from Stalkholm Syndrome.

I've worked in NY, Texas and CA and it's all the same. Most white union workers know fuck all of socialism in America.

[Pretty Flaco]

My school newspaper had an advertisement for free music downloads in it, and the site it linked to was a neo-nazi/KKK site ( it caused shitstorms of controversy here though).
But I'm not sure how active the nazis are around here. (Indianapolis Indiana and suburbs)

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

I'd have to say that racism in America is probably around 15 and 20%... though, I do live in a rural location and typically, there are more racists in the rural lands than the urban lands... Anyways, how long do you think the Tea Party movement will last? Even several of the smaller leaders in it are starting to separate themselves from the movement simply because they feel that Palin and Beck have perverted it...

[AK]

you might work for a capitalist, but if you side with him, love him, are willing to die for him, then you are not a part of the working class.
So class is determined by ideas now?

[Robocommie]

sorry, america is NOT racist.

what was i thinking

DEMOCRACY
FAITH
9/11

I see some of the most hyperbolic, manic bullshit posted by you, I swear. This overly generic hatred of America thing is not going to help you considering how many people here actually live in America and have an understanding of how nuanced and complicated the situation is.

And this whole "Amerikkka" thing is childish.

[Wolf Larson]

So class is determined by ideas now?

No it's not but I wouldn't go as far to say they (reactionaries) are agents of revolutionary change. There is such a thing as working class reactionaries and I'm sorry to tell you AmeriKKKa (pun intended) is full of them- both liberal and conservative.

I personally cant stand liberals but stay the hell away from conservatives all together. Fuck capitalists and all of their apologists working class or not.

All this talk defending Obama is silly. Defend him from racism, sure, but....don't sit on that liberal fence. That's why we're so marginalized....we do it to ourselves. Collusion with the established order is not revolutionary :)

Obama should be opposed and ridiculed as the new face of capitalist imperialism and his defenders right along with him.

[Red Saxon]

My school newspaper had an advertisement for free music downloads in it, and the site it linked to was a neo-nazi/KKK site ( it caused shitstorms of controversy here though).
But I'm not sure how active the nazis are around here. (Indianapolis Indiana and suburbs)Indiana actually has a long history of KKK activity.

http://www.in.gov/library/2848.htm

[Wontonunist]

I know this is major bumpage and sorry for that, but I thought I had something to contribute.


I agree with (what seems to be) the general consensus here, that every person in the USA can't realistically be a racist hick that wants to.. well yeah.

But I also feel (and keep in mind that I'm white trash myself, so this might not be my place. oh well) that there is an underlying bias, however subtle and not-acted-upon, against people of other races besides, well, caucasian. It seems written into our society, and it's so hard to put a finger on, or define, or point out when it happens.

Even people who are the farthest thing from being racist, will at some point make some discrimination against a person of another race. It may not be negative, but the alienation, the acknowledgement of a difference between people is what's happening.

It's an entire argument in itself on what exactly defines something being racist. Must you treat everyone the same to not be racist? When you phrase it like that, the answer is obviously yes. But wouldn't you grant a little more respect to an elderly black human being perhaps, when it crosses your mind what torments they may (or may not) have gone through while growing up that you never had to dream of enduring (speaking from the perspective of a caucasian like myself).

The counter to that argument (or one of them) is to say: it is racist to even bring up the fact that they are a different skin color than you, or, they have different origins than me. You should get to know a person before making any assumptions whatsoever on what they may or may not have had to live through, or what their views are on the world.


This is the point where I read over that and speculate if I said anything at all, or if it was simply the confused ramblings of a 16-year-old.