Any Council Communist Groupings?

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

Any council communists doing anything in europe?

I wan't to join a group, with the same love of workers and hate of state and Beauracratic Cult rulers.

Any info would be apreciated, :)

[Enragé]

http://world.internationalism.org/ is the closest to council-communist i can think of

I dont know if they're doing anything tho, their dutch chapter i only saw once, leeching off the IST's Marxism Festival selling their paper outside.

[Zanthorus]

The ICC is "pro-October" and pro-Vanguard though which would probably put them outside a lot of the milieu that would have at one time been called "councillism". The closes to CC organisations today are probably anarchist groups like the Anarchist Federation in Britain which explicitly upholds the legacy of the Dutch-German left.

[AK]

Like I told you before, Marcos, council communism has been pretty much dead for the past 60-odd years :blushing:

[Subcomandante Marcos.]

Not anymore, i am its saviour :)

Teehee just kidding:cool:

or am i ? ? ? ?]

[thomasludd]

The best thing to do would be to work with the closest groups to CC - the class struggle anarchists, syndicalists, or the Left Commies. You can always retain your ideology / tendency while having a good working relationship with them. After all, below is what you basically just want:


I wan't to join a group, with the same love of workers and hate of state and Beauracratic Cult rulers.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The Commune (http://thecommune.wordpress.com/) - Holds a number of positions historically held by the council communists, though differs on the question of organization.

[thomasludd]

The Commune (http://thecommune.wordpress.com/) - Holds a number of positions historically help by the council communists, though differs on the question of organization.

This is something new. Haven't heard of them before. Thanks NHIA!

[Blake's Baby]

To be fair, Council Communism hasn't been dead for 60 years; I know people who support or are influenced by Council Communism. There have been no organised Council Communist currents since Daad en Gedacht ceased publication in the 1990s.

Thomasludd, there is a section of the ICC in the Philipines, and as others have said, the ICC sees itself in continuity with the early work of the Dutch-German Left. Depends how far down the road you want to travel; if you're of the opinion that all parties necessarily betray the working class, it might be easier to contact Anarchist groups (they have those in the Philipines as well I believe).

[thomasludd]

Thomasludd, there is a section of the ICC in the Philipines, and as others have said, the ICC sees itself in continuity with the early work of the Dutch-German Left. Depends how far down the road you want to travel; if you're of the opinion that all parties necessarily betray the working class, it might be easier to contact Anarchist groups (they have those in the Philipines as well I believe).

I'm with the anarchists, but i'm open to working with the ICC here, and have been in contact with them. My self-imposed contribution to them would be to introduce them to left activists who are actually more left-communist leaning in position but are forced to either work with Maoists or Trots because they don't know that there is a tendency like that.

[Blake's Baby]

It occurs to me that there is Internationalist Perspectives who I think are to an extent influenced by Council Commnism. Probably don't have a group in the Philipines though.

[thomasludd]

It occurs to me that there is Internationalist Perspectives who I think are to an extent influenced by Council Commnism. Probably don't have a group in the Philipines though.

Thanks for the link. it seems they are based in the US?

[Blake's Baby]

They have a group in the US certainly, I don't know where they're based as such. I believe they have groups in Britain, US, France and Belgium, but I could be wrong.

[The Idler]

Isn't there an International Communist Union (ICU) or aren't any of these Council Communist?


Communist Workers Organization - (http://www.ibrp.org/en/articles/revolutionary-perspectives)International Bureau for the Revolutionary Party (http://www.ibrp.org/) Revolutionary Perspectives (http://www.ibrp.org/en/articles/revolutionary-perspectives)
International Communist Party (http://www.international-communist-party.org/EnglishPublications.htm) ICP (Il Partito Comunista) (http://www.international-communist-party.org/index.htm) Communist Left (http://www.international-communist-party.org/CommLeft/CLIndex.htm)
International Communist Party (http://www.ilprogrammacomunista.com/en-first.htm) ICP (Programma Comunista) (http://www.ilprogrammacomunista.com/) Internationalist Papers (http://www.sinistra.net/lib/upt/intpap/intpaper.html)

[Zanthorus]

From what I can recall most of those parties descend more from the Italian Left.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Isn't there an International Communist Union (ICU) or aren't any of these Council Communist?


Communist Workers Organization - (http://www.ibrp.org/en/articles/revolutionary-perspectives)International Bureau for the Revolutionary Party (http://www.ibrp.org/) Revolutionary Perspectives (http://www.ibrp.org/en/articles/revolutionary-perspectives)
International Communist Party (http://www.international-communist-party.org/EnglishPublications.htm) ICP (Il Partito Comunista) (http://www.international-communist-party.org/index.htm) Communist Left (http://www.international-communist-party.org/CommLeft/CLIndex.htm)
International Communist Party (http://www.ilprogrammacomunista.com/en-first.htm) ICP (Programma Comunista) (http://www.ilprogrammacomunista.com/) Internationalist Papers (http://www.sinistra.net/lib/upt/intpap/intpaper.html)



The International Communist Union is a Trotskyist group.
The various International Communist Parties are Bordigists.

For a train spotter, you're not doing a very good job.

Nic.

[The Idler]

The International Communist Union is a Trotskyist group.
The various International Communist Parties are Bordigists.

For a train spotter, you're not doing a very good job.

Nic.
Haha, yeah come on, they're the hardest to suss out. "Bordigists"! What a schoolboy error not to spot Bordigists when I see them!

[black magick hustla]

council communism is dead

[black magick hustla]

To be fair, Council Communism hasn't been dead for 60 years; I know people who support or are influenced by Council Communism. There have been no organised Council Communist currents since Daad en Gedacht ceased publication in the 1990s.


It has been more or less dead. I mean, there are tons of organizations that claim to be influenced by the old dutch-german left. The most famous one perhaps the situationists. They were not council communists though. There was no organic continuity.

[syndicat]

there's a loose council communist group in California called Insane Dialectical Posse:

http://www.flyingpicket.org/node/7