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Subcomandante Marcos.
26th June 2010, 13:29
Should we fight cultural Hegemony, or fight all reactionary cultures?

For example, In Afghan Culture Bach Bazi is practiced, where boys are kept and dressed as women and made to dane for other men, and raped on a daily basis, the Taleban made it against the law, but the New Afghan Army now participates in it, even keeping boys in their barracks to rape.

So what is wrong with wiping this evil part of Afghan culture out?

Also, There are good cultures, that are part of keeping peoples identity alive, like the Irish, some of whom, still speak Galic and have a progressive nationalism, rather than reactionary.


So, should all cultures be preserved, if not, which ones must stay and go, and who gets to decide?

If some Germanic Saxons or whatever had a culture including killing blacks as part of that culture, why should we not abolish that culture.


Some Russians refer to the kingdom of Russ and kill Chechenya's because they are "unwashed", does this not need removing form some russians culture.

Blackscare
26th June 2010, 13:38
Well I think it's important to note that one cannot exterminate backwards cultural practices from the outside. That can only happen from within, else it will just be viewed as a chauvinistic imposition from without. These things tend to come and go given the material conditions of the time.

Subcomandante Marcos.
26th June 2010, 13:42
Yeah, my view is culture is the mirror image of societies conditions.

The more the workers struggles become more prevelent, the more the backwards aspects of their culture dissapear.

BTW,i stole my avatar from your gallery, i just realise the brown represents how shit my existence is.

Blackscare
26th June 2010, 13:43
LOL that was the flag of a fictional tendency I created back in the day. I forgot about that haha.

Don't even remember what it was called O_o

AK
26th June 2010, 13:44
Every aspect of a certain culture isn't reactionary by default. It's just a few bastards that influence and control culture and the spread of it that are. You will find that there are reactionary elements of certain cultures but, at the end of the day, someone had propagated that element originally in such a way that it would play out in their own interests. For example, today there is an element of our culture that says "all females ought to be super skinny and pretty". Guess how this was contrived? By some board of directors trying to make money out of females' fears of a lack of love and romance in their lives as well as a fear of judgement.

Silence the bastards and remove the elements.

Enragé
26th June 2010, 21:05
For example, In Afghan Culture Bach Bazi is practiced, where boys are kept and dressed as women and made to dane for other men, and raped on a daily basis, the Taleban made it against the law, but the New Afghan Army now participates in it, even keeping boys in their barracks to rape.


do you have any sources for this?

Robocommie
27th June 2010, 04:10
do you have any sources for this?

Tons, look it up. Bacha bazi. In particular, the Revolutionary Association of Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

Here's the thing: don't jump to conclusions about other cultures that are going to make you into a paternalist racist. Bacha bazi is not some inherent part of Pashtun culture - in fact it had largely died out in Afghanistan until it was brought back by the Mujahideen who had picked it up from Pakistan.

If you really want to know more about this, I'd reccomend asking Khad. He started a whole thread about this, actually, a while back.

However, I have to say this thread got my hackles up. It's fucked up and paternalist to talk about whether or not "we" should destroy cultures and whether cultures deserve to survive because of practices they engage in that are oppressive, because individual practices do not constitute the whole of a cultural identity. Did the abolition of slavery in the 19th century destroy Southern US culture? Did the ending of footbinding destroy Han Chinese culture?

It's absolutely true that these practices must be ended from within the culture and not from without. Talking about "removing" elements of cultures is the exact same mentality possessed by European imperialists who felt it was their responsibility to enlighten and civilize the less advanced peoples of the world.

AK
27th June 2010, 04:17
It's absolutely true that these practices must be ended from within the culture and not from without. Talking about "removing" elements of cultures is the exact same mentality possessed by European imperialists who felt it was their responsibility to enlighten and civilize the less advanced peoples of the world.
This. In case you were referring to me in this section of your post, I don't plan on invading foreign lands and attempting to westernise the locals.

Robocommie
27th June 2010, 04:17
This. In case you were referring to me in this section of your post, I don't plan on invading foreign lands and attempting to westernise the locals.

Oh yes you were! But I'll westernize you first!

But no, I wasn't, I'm sorry for leaving that ambiguous.