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Mindtoaster
25th June 2010, 04:58
A bomb blast at the offices of Greece's public order ministry in Athens has killed a close aide to the minister responsible for counter-terrorism.
Police said the victim had opened a parcel bomb.
The explosion happened only metres away from the office of the minister, Michalis Chryssohoidis, who was unhurt.
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou said the bombing was a terrorist attack. So far no group has said it was beind the bomb.
'Cowardly murderers'
The blast was so powerful that some in the heavily guarded building thought it had been struck by an earthquake, the BBC's Malcolm Brabant in Athens reports.
The victim was later identified as Giorgos Vassilakis, a 50-year-old father of two.
Visibly shaken, Mr Chryssohoidis said he had "lost a valuable and beloved colleague".
"We cannot be scared and we cannot be terrorised. These cowardly murderers will be brought to justice."
The minister added that the parcel had been meant for him.
Mr Papandreou also branded the bombers "cowards", adding: "They will get the response that they deserve not only from the state but also from all of society. The terrorists will not reach their objective."
Greek terrorism expert Dr Athanasios Drougas told the BBC that the bomb was probably the work of Revolutionary Struggle, the country's most deadly active guerilla group.
In recent months police have made major breakthroughs against Revolutionary Struggle and another militant organisation, Conspiracy of Fire.
Dr Drougas said Revolutionary Struggle was sending a message that its was not defeated and was still capable of striking at the heart of the Greek government.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10409192.stm
pierrotlefou
25th June 2010, 06:15
What good does this do the working class in greece?
What good does this do the working class in greece?
The bomb was designed to kill the individuals in charge of Greece's counter-terrorist operations... and the ruling class will call revolutionaries 'terrorists'. It would have been a blow to the Greek state, had it succeeded.
Wanted Man
25th June 2010, 08:16
How so? The fact of the matter is that a general strike occurred the day before, and another one will occur next Tuesday. What does a bombing like that do at a time like this? Kill some minor bureaucrat who can easily be replaced; and making it extremely easy for the ruling class, as you said, to associate "revolutionaries" with "terrorists".
tellyontellyon
25th June 2010, 12:38
Only action by the mass of working people can put power into the hands of the mass of working people.
Delenda Carthago
25th June 2010, 12:54
some people are one step from saying how sorry they are for the loss of minister's right hand.:laugh:
Honggweilo
25th June 2010, 13:42
some people are one step from saying how sorry they are for the loss of minister's right hand.:laugh:
enjoy your stereotyped scapegoating, increased repression and more allienation. RS and cells of fire need to stop living in their situationistic poetic alternate reality and think about the direct effects of these actions, how are they getting mass support from this? I dont give a rats-ass about the ministers aid, but how is this remotely productive to kill some replacable stooge of repression, to pad yourself on the back saying "i'm a better anarchist now". All this vague symbolism of the deed is so utterly metaphysical, it reminds me of acient lores about romanticism. You didnt stop the counter-intelligence operation, just gave them another causus beli for increased repression... "we lobbed our holy handgrenade at the state, now people will spontaniously rise up because revolution is in their bellies!". Blow up or hack the intelligence files of the service, now that would have been productive. How do to pro's way up to the cons alot of people have to face because of this action.
How so? The fact of the matter is that a general strike occurred the day before, and another one will occur next Tuesday. What does a bombing like that do at a time like this? Kill some minor bureaucrat who can easily be replaced; and making it extremely easy for the ruling class, as you said, to associate "revolutionaries" with "terrorists".
Obviously they didn't think of that, did they?
Delenda Carthago
25th June 2010, 13:48
enjoy your stereotyped scapegoating, increased repression and more allienation
yes,we are allienated from the society.The whole world knows that.Thats why we are not able of doing things.Fortunatly we have you Netherlands communists keeping the flag up.
We didnt wait for the bomb to explode to feel the repression you idiot.We live in the country with the biggest ratio of cops/citizens.Exarheia is the area in Europe with the biggest police presence where riot police platoons are in every corner.Fuck off if you think you can teach us.
Honggweilo
25th June 2010, 14:02
yes,we are allienated from the society.The whole world knows that.Thats why we are not able of doing things.Fortunatly we have you Netherlands communists keeping the flag up.
We didnt wait for the bomb to explode to feel the repression you idiot.We live in the country with the biggest ratio of cops/citizens.Exarheia is the area in Europe with the biggest police presence where riot police platoons are in every corner.Fuck off if you think you can teach us.
Lol the "prollier the thou" act (im not going to sink to that level and boast about my "revolutionairy street cred" and background) aint going to justify the fact that this aint going to cut down repression in Exarheia. Nice piece of Greek chauvinism btw, because i dont live there (and i know enough comrades personally active in Greece) i cant criticize your actions? I'm not the fucking only one who thinks bombing individuals by a small group in this situation is not the sollution, and i know alot of greeks agree with me, even alot of anarchists . I'm not criticizing the anarchist movement (which does alot of progressive work in Exarheia) , just these self-important tendencies, which you belong to.
Obviously they didn't think of that, did they?
They did already, but now they can convince public opinion even more.
Oh and btw, you dont live in Greece, so you're opinion is not appreciated :rolleyes:
Wanted Man
25th June 2010, 18:43
some people are one step from saying how sorry they are for the loss of minister's right hand.:laugh:
Yeah, poor guy. :crying: Come on, don't embarrass yourself. The only ones who give a shit about this bureaucrat guy dying is his family. It's just a dumb and unnecessary death, and that's the only sad thing about it. It would not have mattered if the minister had died either. There's plenty more where that came from, regardless of whether ND or PASOK are in charge.
Obviously they didn't think of that, did they?
Clearly. If AttackGr's posts are anything to go by, being unthinking is characteristic of these guys.
some people are one step from saying how sorry they are for the loss of minister's right hand.:laugh:
And had it been the "right hand's" secretary now tears would indeed be flowing in the place of cheers.
Obviously dogs are much more easily trained than some people.
When seeing an enthusiastic attitude of some of the anarchists towards the nonsense killings and the complete lack of respect towards human life I start to be afraid what would happen during and after the anarchist revolution. A bloodbath?
By the way, how would you call that, when the same people yell about "stalinism" and complain about the necessary use of force against counterrevolutionaries and at the same time praise killings of minor officials. Is it only the hypocrisy?
Bonobo1917
26th June 2010, 00:14
Nobody seems to have noticed a small detail. Nobody actually knows who did this attack. Everybody seems to assume that it were revolutionary-minded people who are responsible. As far as i know, Revolutionary Struggle has not claimed responsiobility. Neither has Consiracy of Fire. Neither has any other group. At this moment, we just don't know who did it. First some more facts, please. Then we can discuss them.
Black Sheep
26th June 2010, 11:57
Nobody seems to have noticed a small detail. Nobody actually knows who did this attack. Everybody seems to assume that it were revolutionary-minded people who are responsible. As far as i know, Revolutionary Struggle has not claimed responsiobility. Neither has Consiracy of Fire. Neither has any other group. At this moment, we just don't know who did it. First some more facts, please. Then we can discuss them.
Fucking this.
FFS, both condemning and supporting this action is stupid when we have no idea if it was 'super-vanguard anarcho rambos' or provocateurs.
Fucking this.
FFS, both condemning and supporting this action is stupid when we have no idea if it was 'super-vanguard anarcho rambos' or provocateurs.
It doesn't really matter. These sort of methods (individual terror) are harmful regardless of who actually did it.
Fucking this.
FFS, both condemning and supporting this action is stupid when we have no idea if it was 'super-vanguard anarcho rambos' or provocateurs.
Hmmm, maybe we could at least condemn the 'super-vanguard anarcho rambos' for making themselves indistinguishable from provocateurs then?
Os Cangaceiros
26th June 2010, 18:32
When seeing an enthusiastic attitude of some of the anarchists towards the nonsense killings and the complete lack of respect towards human life I start to be afraid what would happen during and after the anarchist revolution. A bloodbath?
Oh, irony...
Os Cangaceiros
26th June 2010, 18:45
What good does this do the working class in greece?
No good, but I don't necessarily condemn it, either.
Just like when two EPR members shot down a Oaxacan police chief in the street after the repression there in 2006, it didn't necessarily do any good in advancing "the class", but I'm not shedding any tears for scum like that getting liquidated.
Delenda Carthago
26th June 2010, 22:01
When seeing an enthusiastic attitude of some of the anarchists towards the nonsense killings and the complete lack of respect towards human life I start to be afraid what would happen during and after the anarchist revolution. A bloodbath?
By the way, how would you call that, when the same people yell about "stalinism" and complain about the necessary use of force against counterrevolutionaries and at the same time praise killings of minor officials. Is it only the hypocrisy?
No.It just shows that you "stalinists" are nothing like Stalin.
Delenda Carthago
26th June 2010, 22:09
Lol the "prollier the thou" act (im not going to sink to that level and boast about my "revolutionairy street cred" and background) aint going to justify the fact that this aint going to cut down repression in Exarheia. Nice piece of Greek chauvinism btw, because i dont live there (and i know enough comrades personally active in Greece) i cant criticize your actions? I'm not the fucking only one who thinks bombing individuals by a small group in this situation is not the sollution, and i know alot of greeks agree with me, even alot of anarchists . I'm not criticizing the anarchist movement (which does alot of progressive work in Exarheia) , just these self-important tendencies, which you belong to.
They did already, but now they can convince public opinion even more.
Oh and btw, you dont live in Greece, so you're opinion is not appreciated :rolleyes:
Of course it means you cannot judge something that you have no idea about.
An action like that,for someone with a functionable brain,is not something to be pro or against as a rule.It might help,or it might not.Its all about the frame.Bombing a bank is not the same as Al Qaeda hitting the towers.
Since noone really gves a fuck about a high in the hierarchy cop,an exlposion in this ministry is something that really creates a diallectic within the society that it might be usefull.Just that.Other than this,I am really afraid of what the fuck we gonna read on the communique...:D
Honggweilo
27th June 2010, 12:31
Of course it means you cannot judge something that you have no idea about.
Right because i have no fucking idea what i'm talking about, said the guy who's endorsing an attack without knowing who did it or for what aims
Bombing a bank is not the same as Al Qaeda hitting the towers.
It isnt? :rolleyes: both seem like politically motivated acts against commerical targets
Black Sheep
27th June 2010, 15:27
Hmmm, maybe we could at least condemn the 'super-vanguard anarcho rambos' for making themselves indistinguishable from provocateurs then?
Yeah ok, and then we'll condemn the patriotic stalino-tankies for making themselves indistinguishable from nationalists.
Delenda Carthago
27th June 2010, 19:30
Right because i have no fucking idea what i'm talking about, said the guy who's endorsing an attack without knowing who did it or for what aims
It isnt? :rolleyes: both seem like politically motivated acts against commerical targets
I m not endorsing it, I am against you idiots who are against it without knowing who did it and for what aims.
If you think that Al Qaeda and a revolutionary group are the same and that they fight for the same cause you can enroll your local islamic temple and start the revolution from there.
chegitz guevara
27th June 2010, 21:35
If your tactics are such that provocateurs can imitate you to call your movement into disrepute, you need different tactics.
No.It just shows that you "stalinists" are nothing like Stalin
I am sure that Joseph Stalin himself would cheer this bombing. :)
Fietsketting
28th June 2010, 10:58
If your tactics are such that provocateurs can imitate you to call your movement into disrepute, you need different tactics.
Bollocks. Any tactic can be countered and has problems of its own.
If your tactics are such that provocateurs can imitate you to call your movement into disrepute, you need different tactics.
Yeah dude, take part in elections. We need tactics that the ruling classes can imitate to ''call your movement into disrepute''.
Zanthorus
28th June 2010, 22:00
Of course it means you cannot judge something that you have no idea about.
If only people who were actually in the middle of a historical event had any idea what they were talking about then 99% of the discussions on this board would be redundant.
chegitz guevara
28th June 2010, 22:32
Yeah dude, take part in elections. We need tactics that the ruling classes can imitate to ''call your movement into disrepute''.
The difference, of course, being that we don't alienate the worker class by taking part in elections, and if someone else runs in elections, it's real easy to different them from us. People don't secretly run in elections.
Your contempt for the people is showing.
the bourgeois state doesn't have means to destroy popular movements without bombs?
Proletarian Ultra
1st July 2010, 19:39
This is a false flag attack if I've ever seen one. Some ultra-thugs in the security service decide PASOK's too weak to deal with the situation. Plant a bomb by the minister, blame it on the far left - two birds with one stone. Can't believe anyone is falling for this recycled Gladio shit.
What Would Durruti Do?
2nd July 2010, 06:14
When seeing an enthusiastic attitude of some of the anarchists towards the nonsense killings and the complete lack of respect towards human life I start to be afraid what would happen during and after the anarchist revolution. A bloodbath?
And this would be different from Marxist revolutions in some way?
I don't condone murder or assassinations, but I'm not about to cry over some state lackey.
Zanthorus
2nd July 2010, 14:55
And this would be different from Marxist revolutions in some way?
Well the Bolshevik seizure of power itself was relatively peaceful. It was only when the civil war kicked off that blood really started to flow.
nuisance
4th July 2010, 17:44
Lol the "prollier the thou" act (im not going to sink to that level and boast about my "revolutionairy street cred" and background) aint going to justify the fact that this aint going to cut down repression in Exarheia. Nice piece of Greek chauvinism btw, because i dont live there (and i know enough comrades personally active in Greece) i cant criticize your actions? I'm not the fucking only one who thinks bombing individuals by a small group in this situation is not the sollution, and i know alot of greeks agree with me, even alot of anarchists . I'm not criticizing the anarchist movement (which does alot of progressive work in Exarheia) , just these self-important tendencies, which you belong to.
There was no proler than thou accusations in Attacks post, you completely missed the point.
stella2010
7th July 2010, 06:20
Like I said in another thread.
The only real way to punish is to punish.
About 500 - 1000 utes and all the infrastructure you can throw at the system.
These modern day cops are sooo shit, especially here in Australia we
would rip through them like tin foil.
They are nothing but a bunch of party animals. I know it has nothing to do with Greece bombing but I though it was relevent considering how much modern day security is pervasive in our lives.
PEOPLE...we cannot police our way out of debt.
As for Greece
I don't condemn these actions.... Greece is on the verge....
Even here in Melbourne we are aware of this boil up.
Melbourne where more Greeks are than in Greece.
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