The Anti-Flag Forum

[The Vegan Marxist]

What are all the anarchists' opinion here on RevLeft on the Anti-Flag forum? As someone who use to be an anarchist & use to post regularly on the AF forum, I find it quite dogmatic & semi-liberal now & I rarely ever post on there anymore because of their constant attacks on anyone that is not an anarchist, especially M-L's & MLM's. Though, most anarchists I know on here are easy to get along with & can have respectable convos/debates with.

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What are all the anarchists' opinion here on RevLeft on the Anti-Flag forum? As someone who use to be an anarchist & use to post regularly on the AF forum, I find it quite dogmatic & semi-liberal now & I rarely ever post on there anymore because of their constant attacks on anyone that is not an anarchist, especially M-L's & MLM's. Though, most anarchists I know on here are easy to get along with & can have respectable convos/debates with.

Who fucking cares about an Anti-Flag forum?

Seriously, if some anti-flag kiddies make you this upset, then I think it might be time to put away the keyboard for a bit.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Who fucking cares about an Anti-Flag forum?

Seriously, if some anti-flag kiddies make you this upset, then I think it might be time to put away the keyboard for a bit.

Who says I'm upset? Just seeing what other people's opinion on them are. Because I know they're highly against RevLeft.

[Sam_b]

I'm truly shocked at the revelation that the Anti-Flag forum is liberal.

Seriously, this should be in chit-chat.

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Who says I'm upset? Just seeing what other people's opinion on them are. Because I know they're highly against RevLeft.

Yeah, but who cares?

[The Vegan Marxist]

I'm truly shocked at the revelation that the Anti-Flag forum is liberal.

Seriously, this should be in chit-chat.

They just have this liberal like attitude when it comes to ML & MLM's.

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They just have this liberal like attitude when it comes to ML & MLM's.

OH SHIT DUDE!

Without the masses at the Anti-Flag forum, you Leninists will never have your revolution D:



Seriously, this shouldn't even be in Chit Chat.

[Sam_b]

Is this one of these 'liberal attitude against ML' cases where liberalism is just a buzzword for disagreeing with your position? Sure sounds like it.

[ContrarianLemming]

Is this one of these 'liberal attitude against ML' cases where liberalism is just a buzzword for disagreeing with your position? Sure sounds like it.

Couldn't agree more. All of the anarhcist forums I have been on have been pretty anti Ml and have negative opinions of revleft, which they believe is mostly controlled by ML's (which may be true) and is highly godmatic (which may also be true, watch how dissent in opinion is solenced on this site

edit: I forget to mention that there criticism is never a "liberal" criticism, but rather the standard anarhcist one.

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Couldn't agree more. All of the anarhcist forums I have been on have been pretty anti Ml and have negative opinions of revleft, which they believe is mostly controlled by ML's (which may be true) and is highly godmatic (which may also be true, watch how dissent in opinion is solenced on this site

edit: I forget to mention that there criticism is never a "liberal" criticism, but rather the standard anarhcist one.

anarchists are liberals obvz

[Wanted Man]

I agree with sam_b, basically.


Couldn't agree more. All of the anarhcist forums I have been on have been pretty anti Ml and have negative opinions of revleft, which they believe is mostly controlled by ML's (which may be true)

Let's play a game of find the MLs!

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showgroups.php


and is highly godmatic (which may also be true, watch how dissent in opinion is solenced on this site

Those damn godmatics keep solencing me as well. :(

[Saorsa]

This site is controlled by the anarcho-trot zionist conspiracy. Get it right people...


But seriously, it fucks me off when people suggest this site is controlled by 'Stalinists'. In practice what that means is this one of the only forums around where M-Ls and anarchists can post together and debate stuff together, and it's incredibly valuable because of that.

[28350]

link?

[Wanted Man]

To solve the mystery once and for all (i.e. something that can be done by reading people's profiles):

AugustWest: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Bilan: left communist.
***** X: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Edelweiss (owner): left communist or council communist of some sort.
Fuserg9: anarchist.
Jazzratt: anarchist, technocrat.
Leo: left communist.
Miles: non-leninist marxist of some sort.
pastradamus: see above.
psycho: anarchist.
Redanarchist: anarchist, strangely enough.
Sentinel: anarchist, technocrat.
TAT: anarchist.
techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!

[Foldered]

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!
They're everywhere!!!:scared:

[Revy]

Anarchists don't like Stalinists and Maoists? :scared: Shocking.

If only anarchists had the same appreciation for dictators. Because you know, sticking to your own principles is "liberal", while pretending that Stalin was a socialist hero is just....common sense.

[Raúl Duke]

lol

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Also, AF stands for Agnostic Front, not Anti-Flag.


SOMEONE IS A POSER D:

[Jazzratt]

techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.
:lol:

It's interesting though that given how there are no M-L admins and few M-L mods that the anarchists on the forums that Aeon135 has visited think that revleft will solence them because we're all such godmatic M-Ls. Maybe we are actually even handedly applying fair rules (lol) or at least pissing everyone off to the same extent.

[ContrarianLemming]

To solve the mystery once and for all (i.e. something that can be done by reading people's profiles):

AugustWest: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Bilan: left communist.
***** X: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Edelweiss (owner): left communist or council communist of some sort.
Fuserg9: anarchist.
Jazzratt: anarchist, technocrat.
Leo: left communist.
Miles: non-leninist marxist of some sort.
pastradamus: see above.
psycho: anarchist.
Redanarchist: anarchist, strangely enough.
Sentinel: anarchist, technocrat.
TAT: anarchist.
techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!

holy shit, anarhcists...in power!
I'm skeptical of edelqeis being a council or lefty, this site did after all come from "Che Lives". I doubt any ultraleftist would support Che to such a degree.

[ContrarianLemming]

:lol:

It's interesting though that given how there are no M-L admins and few M-L mods that the anarchists on the forums that Aeon135 has visited think that revleft will solence them because we're all such godmatic M-Ls. Maybe we are actually even handedly applying fair rules (lol) or at least pissing everyone off to the same extent.

shat the frak up :lol:

I think it's easier to say that the forum where your comrades and there old foe commune is where your comrades are poor underdogds being abused.

We rulez!

[ContrarianLemming]

To solve the mystery once and for all (i.e. something that can be done by reading people's profiles):

AugustWest: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Bilan: left communist.
***** X: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Edelweiss (owner): left communist or council communist of some sort.
Fuserg9: anarchist.
Jazzratt: anarchist, technocrat.
Leo: left communist.
Miles: non-leninist marxist of some sort.
pastradamus: see above.
psycho: anarchist.
Redanarchist: anarchist, strangely enough.
Sentinel: anarchist, technocrat.
TAT: anarchist.
techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!

To correct one thing on that, Miles is a non doctrinaire communist, i think *****x is an anarchist or a non doctrinaire.

[Sasha]

who are you calling an anarchist?

i'll keep it at non-specified autonomist if you dont mind...

[Sasha]

and i think its just the old skin with all the hammers and sickles putting ppl of.
i almost didnt join for the same reason.

[ContrarianLemming]

and i think its just the old skin with all the hammers and sickles putting ppl of.
i almost didnt join for the same reason.

Now we're hip and grey! :cool:

We should modernise the site and make all the writing look like it was handwritten, that's super happy face stuff. And make everything white or colorful, that'l bring in more gays and more women. We should also try to attract non political people, so they might invite more friends for more potential commies. And we should change the name of the forum to something less threatening like "chat forum" and get rid of all the socialist symbols and quotes and posts, clean slate! We would also have people say they support liberalism and conservatism so we can get some liberals n cons in here to convert, and put up some peace symbolism. Hopefully by the end 99% of the members will be either apolitical, liberal or just here for the lulz.

We'd be so much more popular!
we might even get our own 4chan meme!

:)

[Wanted Man]

holy shit, anarhcists...in power!
I'm skeptical of edelqeis being a council or lefty, this site did after all come from "Che Lives". I doubt any ultraleftist would support Che to such a degree.

Yes, but he does need to sell t-shirts, lighters and hats.

[Jazzratt]

holy shit, anarhcists...in power!
I'm skeptical of edelqeis being a council or lefty, this site did after all come from "Che Lives". I doubt any ultraleftist would support Che to such a degree. It was Che Lives six years ago, maybe Edelweiss' politics matured in that time.

[Wanted Man]

It was Che Lives six years ago, maybe Edelweiss' politics matured in that time.

Well, at least in the past, he had discernible political views. Now, the only political thing he's posted in the last half year is a propaganda video by the Israeli army. This "maturation" must have taken place a lot earlier.

[Jazzratt]

Well, at least in the past, he had discernible political views. Now, the only political thing he's posted in the last half year is a propaganda video by the Israeli army. This "maturation" must have taken place a lot earlier. To be honest I've never seen any of his political posts because by the time I was "established" on this site he was already the tacitern hermit overlord we all know and love. I assumed he started this site as someone who'd read a quick guide to Marx and a biography of Che (which, to be honest, is what most "Che admirers" boil down to) and thus any political position would be a step up from that.

[Sam_b]

To be honest I've never seen any of his political posts

The same can sadly be said for a good deal of our admin team. Ren'Anarchist' is indeed a prime example. I'm not sure if he actually has any politics.

[Raúl Duke]

Ever since the CC shut down, I've actually seen less regular political discussion of very noted admins/mods.

[NGNM85]

To be perfectly honest, as an Anarchist I really do feel a little isolated and outnumbered, here.

BTW, "Die For the Government" was a fucking great album.

[Wanted Man]

To be honest I've never seen any of his political posts because by the time I was "established" on this site he was already the tacitern hermit overlord we all know and love. I assumed he started this site as someone who'd read a quick guide to Marx and a biography of Che (which, to be honest, is what most "Che admirers" boil down to) and thus any political position would be a step up from that.

Well, in reality it probably wasn't. I'd rather he were some Che kiddie, actually.


The same can sadly be said for a good deal of our admin team. Ren'Anarchist' is indeed a prime example. I'm not sure if he actually has any politics.

I'd say several are vaguely "lefties", but joined largely for the community aspect, for the CC drama, and to be as popular and non-offensive as possible to become admins fast.


Ever since the CC shut down, I've actually seen less regular political discussion of very noted admins/mods.

I think part of accountability is that people can see where you stand politically without having to ask. Of course, NOBODY expected that that kind of thing would go out of the window with the CC...

Also, less related to the CC, but the general level of discussion seems to have lowered significantly over the past month or so.


To be perfectly honest, as an Anarchist I really do feel a little isolated and outnumbered, here.

How is that even possible? The forum is so crowded with anarchists that you can hardly turn around without bumping into one.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I believe Sentinel has stated that he is not a Technocrat. He is, however, a transhumanist.

Why people insist on confusing the two is a mystery to me.

[Sasha]

and to be as popular and non-offensive as possible to become admins fast.


you do know TAT is also an admin don't you :lol:

[AK]

I was a member of the AF forum. It was so boring and I didn't even post. Good times :cool:

To be perfectly honest, as an Anarchist I really do feel a little isolated and outnumbered, here.

BTW, "Die For the Government" was a fucking great album.
Die For The Government was fucking terrible.

[Bilan]

Couldn't agree more. All of the anarhcist forums I have been on have been pretty anti Ml and have negative opinions of revleft, which they believe is mostly controlled by ML's (which may be true) and is highly godmatic (which may also be true, watch how dissent in opinion is solenced on this site

edit: I forget to mention that there criticism is never a "liberal" criticism, but rather the standard anarhcist one.

Ironically, all the MLs and MLMs and MLMMLDMSDLDMFLSMFSLGMLMs on here assume that this forum is run by Left Coms and anarchists, and is overwhelmingly anti-ML/MLM.

If people want to be stupid, let them, it's not a real issue for anyone.

[Bilan]

Ever since the CC shut down, I've actually seen less regular political discussion of very noted admins/mods.

On my part, it's because I have been busy with work and uni, and contributing to threads like "Was the USSR really socialist?", or "Makhno or Lenin: Who was the bigger asshole?" is a bit of a waste of time.

[ContrarianLemming]

The only one of the big heads which I've seen regularly post would be *****x or some or anarchistic something.
I wish this forum was ruled by Leninists, then i could keep up the mantra "revleft is like a police state" stuff, I miss thinking I was an underdog...
I always got the impression that there were more ML..maybe there just louder.

[Raúl Duke]

On my part, it's because I have been busy with work and uni, and contributing to threads like "Was the USSR really socialist?", or "Makhno or Lenin: Who was the bigger asshole?" is a bit of a waste of time.

True, people post a lot but most threads are shit I probably ignore 50-75% of them.

[NGNM85]

How is that even possible? The forum is so crowded with anarchists that you can hardly turn around without bumping into one.

Maybe it's because I don't post that much, and generally keep my posts limited to certain sections and topics. Or, perhaps the communists are just more vocal. I dunno, it just seems to me it's predominantly Marxist-Leninists nearly everywhere I look.

[ContrarianLemming]

Maybe it's because I don't post that much, and generally keep my posts limited to certain sections and topics. Or, perhaps the communists are just more vocal. I dunno, it just seems to me it's predominantly Marxist-Leninists nearly everywhere I look.

anarchists are communists

:rolleyes:

[praxis1966]

you do know TAT is also an admin don't you :lol:

You fuckass. This was gonna be my joke.:laugh:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

OH SHIT DUDE!

Without the masses at the Anti-Flag forum, you Leninists will never have your revolution D:

That was fucking hilarious! Loves it!

I don't mind Anti-Flag, they've had some catchy tunes.

[NGNM85]

anarchists are communists

:rolleyes:

Not really. Admittedly, there are some cases that are a little borderline. However, Communism, especially Maxist-Leninism, or Marxist-Leninist-Maoism, and Anarchism are not remotely interchangeable. There are very stark differences. It would be fair to say; "All Anarchists are socialists."

[pastradamus]

To solve the mystery once and for all (i.e. something that can be done by reading people's profiles):

AugustWest: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Bilan: left communist.
***** X: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Edelweiss (owner): left communist or council communist of some sort.
Fuserg9: anarchist.
Jazzratt: anarchist, technocrat.
Leo: left communist.
Miles: non-leninist marxist of some sort.
pastradamus: see above.
psycho: anarchist.
Redanarchist: anarchist, strangely enough.
Sentinel: anarchist, technocrat.
TAT: anarchist.
techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!

Well Im a Marxist. Just letting you know that so that you can pull me out of the "see-above" thing!

[ContrarianLemming]

Not really. Admittedly, there are some cases that are a little borderline. However, Communism, especially Maxist-Leninism, or Marxist-Leninist-Maoism, and Anarchism are not remotely interchangeable. There are very stark differences. It would be fair to say; "All Anarchists are socialists."

all social anarchists are communists if a communist is someone who wishs to bring about communism through revolution.

I am a communist.

[Blackscare]

Not really. Admittedly, there are some cases that are a little borderline. However, Communism, especially Maxist-Leninism, or Marxist-Leninist-Maoism, and Anarchism are not remotely interchangeable. There are very stark differences. It would be fair to say; "All Anarchists are socialists."


Wrong wrong wrongityfucking wrong.



For most of the history of anarchism, Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism (which can easily be argued to be a kind of communism, in fact figures like Makhno argued that it was in fact just a sub-tendency of anarchist communism) have been by far the dominant forms of anarchism. And they have been pretty much exclusively the forms of anarchism that have had any role to play in revolutionary situations.

Anarcho-capitalism is a modern variation that is basically an oxymoron, and things like individualism and dumpster-divingism have never done anything cohesive or useful. If you're talking about relevant movements within Anarchism, you're talking about Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism.

[ContrarianLemming]

Wrong wrong wrongityfucking wrong.

that^

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Not really. Admittedly, there are some cases that are a little borderline. However, Communism, especially Maxist-Leninism, or Marxist-Leninist-Maoism, and Anarchism are not remotely interchangeable. There are very stark differences. It would be fair to say; "All Anarchists are socialists."

I think it's more fair to say that ML and MLM are not communist


OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gorillafuck]

anarcho-notmarxists vs. waterboardingchildrenisokaycuzmaterialism-marxists

Who will win?

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your mom

[gorillafuck]

your mom
My dad could so beat up your dad!

[Widerstand]

There are several perplexing things about this thread:

First: Anti-Flag Forums? Really now?...

Second: Who the fuck cares if Anarchism is part of Communism or Socialism or ML/MLM/MLICANHAVEMANYLETTERSINAROW or neither.

Third: Dumpster-divingism is an awesome sounding name, one should convert for aesthetic reasons purely.

Fourth: I repeat myself, but ... Anti Flag Forums? :confused:

[gorillafuck]

Anti-Flag aren't even good.

[Widerstand]

Anti-Flag aren't even good.

Indeed. It seems absurd to me to expect serious leftist political discussion on a band fan forum, let alone a forum for such a mainstreamized revolution-romantic band as Anti-Flag with an average listener demographic of average rebellious teens.

[Lyev]

To solve the mystery once and for all (i.e. something that can be done by reading people's profiles):

AugustWest: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Bilan: left communist.
***** X: not sure, prob. anarchist.
Edelweiss (owner): left communist or council communist of some sort.
Fuserg9: anarchist.
Jazzratt: anarchist, technocrat.
Leo: left communist.
Miles: non-leninist marxist of some sort.
pastradamus: see above.
psycho: anarchist.
Redanarchist: anarchist, strangely enough.
Sentinel: anarchist, technocrat.
TAT: anarchist.
techadmin: not a human being, so probably a technocrat.

Holy shit, stalinists behind every tree!I think ***** X is actually a member of the CWI. Techadmin doesn't count either. But there's also a few Marxist-Leninist, Hoxhaist, Trotskyist etc. mods and admin as well. I'm not really bothered by the specific affiliation or sect that mods and admins adhere to either, is it relevant?

[Sam_b]

I think ***** X is actually a member of the CWI

Really?

I would have a look through her political posts but.......oh, wait.

[Lyev]

Well she's certainly a member of the user-group here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?do=viewmembers&groupid=100. She might have joined just to participate in discussion there or something.

[Raúl Duke]

I think ***** X is actually a member of the CWI

As far as I known her, she's been an anarchist of sorts.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Pretty sure that she's an anarchist.

She seemed to be a Che buff, though, so who knows.

[praxis1966]

Anti-Flag aren't even good.

But your sister is.:p

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but your sister is.:p

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[revolution inaction]

There are several perplexing things about this thread:

First: Anti-Flag Forums? Really now?...

Second: Who the fuck cares if Anarchism is part of Communism or Socialism or ML/MLM/MLICANHAVEMANYLETTERSINAROW or neither.

Third: Dumpster-divingism is an awesome sounding name, one should convert for aesthetic reasons purely.

Fourth: I repeat myself, but ... Anti Flag Forums? :confused:

up until this post i thought this thread was about the flag (http://flag.blackened.net/) forums :blushing:

[gorillafuck]

But your sister is.:p
Yeah especially when you have sex with her

[praxis1966]

Yeah especially when you have sex with her
Hahahahaha Best. Shit. Ever.

[ContrarianLemming]

Yeah especially when you have sex with her

I don't know what you're talking about but, question.. what is the squirting water?