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ChrisK
18th June 2010, 20:00
While I am at it, here's my first essay for my philosophy of religion class.



The typical Christian view of God is of an all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving being that is the supreme and only deity. As one of the central tenets of Christianity, this belief in one all-powerful God, is what defines Christianity as a monotheistic religion. The one question is, is this view consistent with history? It is my contention that portions of the Old Testament of the Bible give credence to the belief that the Christian god was originally a henotheistic God of the Israelites.

In the stories of the Old Testament, one thing is very clear; God is the personal God of the Israelites, not a God for everyone. God takes special care of one group of people, the descendents of Abraham. The Old Testament only traces the history of a tribe of semi-nomads through their nationhood, but never any other peoples. This seems to be a more personal God, not a universal God. Additionally, God walks with the people of the tribe of Abraham so that they will go on through the desert and not settle where they were (Exodus 33). This would indicate that He takes care of only this one tribe and not any of the others. A monotheistic omnipotent God would watch all of His children, not just a select few of them. God also shows a scant regard for the other peoples of the world. He goes as far as to tell His children,
“I am going to drive out the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites before you. Take care that you make no pact with the inhabitants of the country which you are about to enter, or they will prove a snare in your community.” (Exodus 34)
In this passage, God is not only indicating that He does not care for those people in those lands, but He even tells His children to never associate with them. This shows a clear distinction between His children and the rest of the world. Thus, the Israelites can be seen as having a personal God, who protects them, and no others.

Another point in the case for the God of the Old Testament as being a personal God and not the only God comes from the name Yahweh. Yahweh is the actual, personal name of God as evidenced by this passage, “I am Yahweh your God,” (Exodus 20). The function of a name is to distinguish things from one another. If there is only one God, why would He need a name to distinguish Himself from others? He would simply be God and not have a personal name, known only to a select group of individuals.

Of utmost importance is the fact that various passages in the Bible indicate that there are possibly multiple gods other than the God of the Israelites. To return to the last point, the sentence, “I am Yahweh your God,” indicates that God is not the only god. The use of the word “your” indicates a God who is personal to these people, not the only god. It could be argued that the presence of a personal god, would give credence to the belief that there are multiple other personal gods. Additionally, during the time that the Israelites were slaves, the Egyptian wise men were able to duplicate the actions of Moses. They did this by both turning staffs into snakes, by turning water to blood and calling forth frogs (Exodus 7-8). The power of these men is clearly one that is divine and it would not have been Yahweh who gave them such power, but it would have had to been the gods of Egypt who gave them such power. The final evidence that the books written by Moses were henotheistic comes from the Ten Commandments. Two of the commandments are, “You shall have no other gods to rival me,” (Exodus 20) and “You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything I heaven above or earth beneath or in the waters under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them…” (Exodus 20). If the God of Moses was a monotheistic god, then only one of these commandments would be needed. But instead they are both separate commandments. The former tells the Israelites to worship no other gods and the latter tells them not to worship false gods. By having this distinction, the Ten Commandments are clearly implying that there are many gods and that the Israelites should only worship the god of their tribe and not those of the other peoples. The books of Moses clearly indicate the existence of many gods other than Yahweh, their personal god.

The idea of God as being a monotheistic god is not supported by the books of the Old Testament written by Moses. If anything, these oldest books indicate a henotheistic personal god who is named by and protects His people, even if He is the most powerful of the gods. It would not have been until later in their development that God became the monotheistic all-powerful being that is believed in today.


Comments?

Sasha
18th June 2010, 20:41
intresting, note that in the older jewish scriptures and big parts of the thora/old testament god is often refered to in the plural elohim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim) wich is strong proof that also the jewish yaweh wasnt always percieved as an single identity.

ChrisK
18th June 2010, 20:42
Now that I didn't know, but I also don't speak Hebrew.

Mahatma Gandhi
19th June 2010, 07:06
intresting, note that in the older jewish scriptures and big parts of the thora/old testament god is often refered to in the plural elohim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim) wich is strong proof that also the jewish yaweh wasnt always percieved as an single identity.

Yahweh is always single identity - one essence but three persons. Hence the trinity . . . but 'three persons' are considered distinct by most people, which is why we wrongly conclude that Yahweh isn't one entity.

ChrisK
19th June 2010, 09:37
Yahweh is always single identity - one essence but three persons. Hence the trinity . . . but 'three persons' are considered distinct by most people, which is why we wrongly conclude that Yahweh isn't one entity.

Maybe we're talking about two different things, but I always thought it was Hilary Bishop of Poitiers who came up with the trinity. He was a celt and it seems like he imported the Celts obssesion of triunes into christianity.

Sasha
19th June 2010, 11:43
Yahweh is always single identity - one essence but three persons. Hence the trinity . . . but 'three persons' are considered distinct by most people, which is why we wrongly conclude that Yahweh isn't one entity.


as far as i know the trinity is an late christian theological concept (like purgetry and the virgin birth) not an concept jews (and therefor the old testament) were familiair with.

would be also silly since while jews recognize jezus as an important prophet they dont accept him as the messiah, wich also means that they dont think he is the son of god.

wich is by the way also another later christian invention based on an faulty translation.
the prase "son of god" in the bible just ment prophet and was at the time used for all important prophets, it didnt mean actual son of god
its like the idea that maria was an virgin when she got jezus, while its just that (i think in old armenian) the word for virgin and young women are the same

Lord Testicles
19th June 2010, 12:35
In Genisis there is a passage that suggests more than one god.

Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"

Kléber
20th June 2010, 03:15
When used to describe the God of Abraham, Elohim is not treated grammatically as a plural noun; accompanying verbs are conjugated as if it were in the singular. It could be a remnant of an older polytheistic tradition or it could refer to the multi-faceted characteristics of a single deity. Other instances of the plural usage refer to the hierarchy of angelic beings of which God is #1. Technically you could call that polytheism but there's still only one divine entity at the top.

RED DAVE
20th June 2010, 03:46
jews recognize jezus as an important prophet they dont accept him as the messiah, wich also means that they dont think he is the son of god.In fact, he is not considered "an important prophet."


its like the idea that maria was an virgin when she got jezus, while its just that (i think in old armenian) the word for virgin and young women are the sameIt's Greek. The word is parthenos.

RED DAVE

soyonstout
20th June 2010, 06:23
Certainly the religion of the OT could more properly be called jealous henotheism (as opposed to say, traditional hindu religion where there are personal gods which are considered by their worshipers to be the best, but worshipers of other gods are not considered to be in grave error, often their god is described as but one manifestation of one's personal god) than monotheism.

the concept of the trinity was not solidified until the 4th century after the legalization of Christianity and in fact many bishops would go from being deposed to reinstated based on the views of the emperor (i think one or two of the emperors were arianists) over the issue of trinitarian theology. If Christians in the first two centuries AD held anything as complicated as a trinitarian theology, no one ever mentioned it and it definitely cannot be seen as implied in the new testament except by the most skillful mental gymnastics.

From what I understand there are still some historical non-trinitarian christians kicking around in north africa and the middle east (not to mention the more recent ones such as elvis presley's church)

I would provide sources but its been a long time since I studied any of this. The best one is probably justo l. gonzalez's book 'story of christianity' On the OT, I can't think of anything offhand.

-soyons tout

CountryKid
21st June 2010, 23:28
I always thought the OT beliefs were Monolatristic.


Accepting that other Gods exist, but only considering one, Yahweh, worthy of Worship.

ChrisK
21st June 2010, 23:33
I always thought the OT beliefs were Monolatristic.


Accepting that other Gods exist, but only considering one, Yahweh, worthy of Worship.

Thats basically henotheism. Henotheism is the belief in many gods, but only worshiping the one that watches over your tribe or city.