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Proletarian Ultra
17th June 2010, 03:11
Is there a Marxist party/organization/whatever in the US that upholds Stalin and Mao (including the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution) more or less uncritically? Off the top of my head (correct plz if I err)...

WWP/PSL: Stalin no, Mao yes, Marxist yes.
PLP: Stalin yes, Mao yes, Marxist no.
FRSO (FightBack!): Stalin yes, Mao yes (but GPCR no (http://www.frso.org/about/statements/2009/looking-back-at-tiananmen-square.htm)), Marxist yes.
FRSO (Left Refoundation): Stalin no, Mao yes(?), Marxist sort of.
RCPUSA: Stalin not really, Mao yes, Marxist meh.
USMLO: Stalin yes, Mao no, Marxist yes.
MIM offspring: Stalin yes, Mao yes, Marxist no.

Did I forget or misrepresent anyone? Is America utterly without a straight down the line Marxist-Stalinist-Maoist party?
Lenina Rosenweg
17th June 2010, 04:45
Sorry, but is this a serious question? What is your criteria for considering a group Marxist?



Is America utterly without a straight down the line Marxist-Stalinist-Maoist party?

I'm afraid so. Have you thought about starting one yourself? I'm sure there's a need out there, somewhere.
Proletarian Ultra
17th June 2010, 04:52
Sorry, but is this a serious question? What is your criteria for considering a group Marxist?

It's a post on RevLeft: of course it's not a serious question. PLP 'fights directly for communism' - i.e. no socialism in between; that's not Marxist. FRSO (Left Refoundation) endorses a 'plurality of struggles' line that is anti-Marxist. RCP, I'm just being catty.


I'm afraid so. Have you thought about starting one yourself? I'm sure there's a need out there, somewhere.

Thank you Lenina. You are one of my favorite Trots.
Chimurenga.
17th June 2010, 05:50
PLP have denounced Mao since the 70's.
Obs
17th June 2010, 11:26
Why would you uphold anyone uncritically? I uphold both Stalin and Mao with a degree of criticism, in that I see their decisions, even when I disagree with them, as a result of the circumstances in which they were made.
scarletghoul
17th June 2010, 16:18
Haha. But Third Worldists can be critical of Mao for meeting with Nixon and so on, as this contradicts the Lin Biao global PPW line.


It's a post on RevLeft: of course it's not a serious question. PLP 'fights directly for communism' - i.e. no socialism in between; that's not Marxist.Isn't this position de facto Anarchism ?
ed miliband
17th June 2010, 16:49
Haven't PLP been described as anarcho-Stalinists? LOL.
Raúl Duke
17th June 2010, 23:34
de facto Anarchism

Some/many Anarcho-communists support a transition between socialism and communism, just of a different kind (mostly economic).


Lin Biao global PPW line.
I see you have been paying attention to my MTW psych-babble on tiny chat.
bailey_187
17th June 2010, 23:34
The closest party to the CPGB-ML in America is probably the FRSO (FightBack!).


Does the FRSO particularly disagree with the Cultural Revolution? Or do they just not view it as such a break through as Maoists?
A.J.
18th June 2010, 18:19
Stalin no, Mao yes

What sort of fucked up position is that? :confused:
Proletarian Ultra
18th June 2010, 22:55
Does the FRSO particularly disagree with the Cultural Revolution? Or do they just not view it as such a break through as Maoists?

They got this article on the Tienanmen counter-revolution that harshes pretty bad on the GPCR, though that may not be official line.
Zoster
19th June 2010, 06:56
The FRSO (Fight Back!) does not denounce the GPCR. There are some things about all communist experience that are negative, and this includes the GPCR, but that does not mean FRSO (Fight Back!) thinks it was wrong or bad. The article is old, pre-split, and does not necessarily reflect current party views.
Zoster
19th June 2010, 07:01
FRSO (Left Refoundation): Stalin no, Mao yes(?), Marxist sort of.

This organization is not Marxist. They believe in "post-Leninism" and believe we live in a "post-imperialist" world. Most of their practical activity centers around electing black democrats. They are basically the Maoist equivalent of CPUSA.
Proletarian Ultra
19th June 2010, 12:23
The FRSO (Fight Back!) does not denounce the GPCR. There are some things about all communist experience that are negative, and this includes the GPCR, but that does not mean FRSO (Fight Back!) thinks it was wrong or bad. The article is old, pre-split, and does not necessarily reflect current party views.

Awesome; thanks for answering my question, comrade. (It's a shame they don't advertise this more.)
Zoster
19th June 2010, 17:38
The FRSO (Fight Back!) line on these issues is very similar to the CPGB-ML, WPB, etc. The participants of the International Communist Seminar (ICS), that all these groups belong to, are pro-China. Being pro-China means accepting some of the CPC's summation of the GPCR, which is mostly negative.

However, they are also familiar with books like Mobo Gao's The Battle for China's Past: Mao & The Cultural Revolution. The approach is generally mixed toward this stuff. How much you like the GPCR is not really all that important in any case. FRSO (Fight Back!) is a party of people who are actively struggling, and it isn't like their historical view on the the GPCR is all that important in the practical, day-to-day activity of struggling with the masses.