White pride

[Lulznet]

I don't see how any showing of being white can be pushed into the barriers of racism. Especially when other Ethnic pride movements are constantly pushed into the left and supported. :(

Is there truly anything wrong with being white? Should I be ashamed to be white? I think not... Should someone be ashamed to be their race? No they shouldn't, they should be proud to be who they are. And apart of who they are includes race.

Me? I'm White, so I overly look at issues from a white standpoint... I'm almost certain that this would be done as well by someone of a different ethnic background.

I know I'm likely to get flamed for making a thread like this and likely banned due to the fact that it won't be responded to well due to the fact that what I'm saying could be considered 'racist'. So I'm just going to make it known that not only am I not encouraging racism but I'm just looking for whites to accept their racial identity as whites, just as blacks are able to accept their racial identity as blacks. :)

[Sasha]

racial identity is an social construct devolped to devide the working class

[Lulznet]

racial identity is an social construct devolped to devide the working class
I can't say I agree there. Scientifically we're all different genetically due to race. Even more so-- race is one of those things that should be respected due to the fact that it is apart of what makes up who we are. :thumbup1:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All racial/ethnic pride is bollocks, but white pride is particularly offensive because those types almost always racist asshats.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I don't see how any showing of being white can be pushed into the barriers of racism. Especially when other Ethnic pride movements are constantly pushed into the left and supported. :(

Is there truly anything wrong with being white? Should I be ashamed to be white? I think not... Should someone be ashamed to be their race? No they shouldn't, they should be proud to be who they are. And apart of who they are includes race.

Me? I'm White, so I overly look at issues from a white standpoint... I'm almost certain that this would be done as well by someone of a different ethnic background.

I know I'm likely to get flamed for making a thread like this and likely banned due to the fact that it won't be responded to well due to the fact that what I'm saying could be considered 'racist'. So I'm just going to make it known that not only am I not encouraging racism but I'm just looking for whites to accept their racial identity as whites, just as blacks are able to accept their racial identity as blacks. :)

Ethnicity and race are two very different things. An example that's close to home for me is that the Chicano power movement (i.e. The Brown Berets) was not racist as Chicano means Mexican-American and that is an ethnicity, while Hispanic/Latino is the race.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I'd hazard a guess that anyone who thought posting a thread about (and advocating) "white pride" is a troll.

The colour of your skin is nothing to be proud of.

[Lulznet]

Ethnicity and race are two very different things. An example that's close to home for me is that the Chicano power movement (i.e. The Brown Berets) was not racist as Chicano means Mexican-American and that is an ethnicity, while Hispanic/Latino is the race.
:cool: Oh... I was just meaning race in what I said previously.

[Lulznet]

I'd hazard a guess that anyone who thought posting a thread about (and advocating) "white pride" is a troll.

The colour of your skin is nothing to be proud of.

I'm not a troll.

And its not just my color, its my culture... My culture is white as well. Its what makes me-- me.

:blink:


All racial/ethnic pride is bollocks, but white pride is particularly offensive because those types almost always racist asshats.

The racist ones are involved in the White Power movement, they use White Pride in an attempt to confuse people into believing that the two are the same to further their goal of racial supremacy.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Skin colour, ethnicity and culture are separate things.

[Lulznet]

Skin colour, ethnicity and culture are separate things.
And they're all influenced on race. :cool:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Ethnicity and race are two very different things. An example that's close to home for me is that the Chicano power movement (i.e. The Brown Berets) was not racist as Chicano means Mexican-American and that is an ethnicity, while Hispanic/Latino is the race.

It's still bollocks to have "pride" in one's ethnicity or race; neither is something that one actually has to work for, all you have to do is be born like the rest of the damn species.


I'm not a troll.

And its not just my color, its my culture... My culture is white as well. Its what makes me-- me.

Define "white" culture.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

And they're all influenced on race. :cool:
No they aren't. You'll find that cultures are influenced far more by class differences and other conditions than by ethnicity.

[Lulznet]

It's still bollocks to have "pride" in one's ethnicity or race; neither is something that one actually has to work for, all you have to do is be born like the rest of the damn species.



Define "white" culture.
Culture put forward by White individuals.


Mainly European culture which falls into White culture. :)


No they aren't. You'll find that cultures are influenced far more by class differences and other conditions than by ethnicity.
Class differences and other conditions fall into an entirely different area.

Race however influences several things in culture such as how a certain group acts.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

No they don't. What evidence can you give that "race" affects culture more than geographical, political, social and class differences do?

[Atlee]

Actually "White" is a diversity of R1a and R1b mostly and has its own ethnic subgroups much like the Native Americans, Asians, Africans. The human genome project has traced all current genes down to about 1250 persons who survived the great Toba volcano and ice age thereafter. Most other humanoids died out because they could not adjust.

For a person/human to have "Pride" is not wrongheaded. All races have some pride in who they are. It is when we as the individual become prideful that we think of ourselves as being better than another. This can also be seen as a sin in many world faiths and cultures as a stain against their own civil society/mores.

[Lulznet]

No they don't. What evidence can you give that "race" affects culture more than geographical, political, social and class differences do?

Race is apart of all of these.

For instance-- Europe is traditionally a more White region. (No racism here.) Generally politics deal with racial issues such as what a certain race is dealing with as compared to another. It deals with social issues due to the living conditions of a certain race. Class also falls into play as well due to the fact of the different racial groups in each class. :lol:


Actually "White" is a diversity of R1a and R1b mostly and has its own ethnic subgroups much like the Native Americans, Asians, Africans. The human genome project has traced all current genes down to about 1250 persons who survived the great Toba volcano and ice age thereafter. Most other humanoids died out because they could not adjust.

For a person/human to have "Pride" is not wrongheaded. All races have some pride in who they are. It is when we as the individual become prideful that we think of ourselves as being better than another. This can also be seen as a sin in many world faiths and cultures as a stain against their own civil society/mores.

The only pride I'm encouraging is the respect of each and every race and being allowed racial identity.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Culture put forward by White individuals.


Mainly European culture which falls into White culture. :)

Considering the diversity of European cultures, let alone the cultures of all white-skinned folk, that kind of renders the term "white" to be meaningless except in terms of skin colour, don't you think?

There is also the problem of borderlines. Are Slavs to be considered "white"? Certainly they haven't always been thought to be so. If you consider Slavs white, what about Georgians?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Mainly European culture which falls into White culture. :)

There is no "European culture" England's culture is not the culture of France nor is Spain's culture that of Germany nor is the culture of Italy the culture of Serbia.

[Lulznet]

There is no "European culture" England's culture is not the culture of France nor is Spain's culture that of Germany nor is the culture of Italy the culture of Serbia.
They're equally different in their respective ways but they still belong to a thing known as European culture... Because even though they each differ-- they all have similarities linking them to the European content and the European people which each nation there makes up.


Considering the diversity of European cultures, let alone the cultures of all white-skinned folk, that kind of renders the term "white" to be meaningless except in terms of skin colour, don't you think?

There is also the problem of borderlines. Are Slavs to be considered "white"? Certainly they haven't always been thought to be so. If you consider Slavs white, what about Georgians?

I don't think so due to the fact that race has quite a bit to do with how we're raised and how we are.

I consider Slavs to be white, the same goes for Georgians.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

It's still bollocks to have "pride" in one's ethnicity or race; neither is something that one actually has to work for, all you have to do is be born like the rest of the damn species.

Being proud of ethnicity and culture is actually niether helpful nor harmful overall. That is unless one takes it to the point of finding other ethnicities and cultures to be lesser.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't think so due to the fact that race has quite a bit to do with how we're raised and how we are.

But somebody born in Norway will have a different upbringing to someone born in Texas. Aside from the pale skin, I'm not really seeing a similarity big enough to warrant lumping both Texans and Norwegians and everything in between into a single group.


I consider Slavs to be white, the same goes for Georgians.

So where do you draw the line?


Being proud of ethnicity and culture is actually niether helpful nor harmful overall. That is unless one takes it to the point of finding other ethnicities and cultures to be lesser.

Pride in something that was handed to one in a genetic lottery, rather than something one strived to achieved, is severely misplaced.

[Lulznet]

But somebody born in Norway will have a different upbringing to someone born in Texas. Aside from the pale skin, I'm not really seeing a similarity big enough to warrant lumping both Texans and Norwegians and everything in between into a single group.



So where do you draw the line?



Pride in something that was handed to one in a genetic lottery, rather than something one strived to achieved, is severely misplaced.
I draw the line at the point where they're only genetically 'white' to a certain point... Argentinians are a good example of this... Even though certain Argentinians have white skin, they're not 'white'.

Also, a group of White Texans and White Norwegians could likely find similarities between each others culture if they were to look for it.

Theres a reason that Medical Science looks at genetics dealing with race when looking for cures to diseases or various other things. ;)

[lombas]

There is no "European culture" England's culture is not the culture of France nor is Spain's culture that of Germany nor is the culture of Italy the culture of Serbia.

I'd say there does exist a European culture. A European history, a European identity. A European platform of languages. European-styled religions. &c.

That doesn't exclude French culture, Serbian culture, &c.

Luis Vives et al.

[lombas]

I draw the line at the point where they're only genetically 'white' to a certain point... Argentinians are a good example of this... Even though certain Argentinians have white skin, they're not 'white'.

You appear to be scientifically and academically relevant, because what you mean to prove in this thread really challenges all sociological, biological and historical mainstream scientific and academic thought.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Race is apart of all of these.

For instance-- Europe is traditionally a more White region. (No racism here.) Generally politics deal with racial issues such as what a certain race is dealing with as compared to another. It deals with social issues due to the living conditions of a certain race. Class also falls into play as well due to the fact of the different racial groups in each class. :lol:

This is just generalized bullshit! Where I live, in Europe, "racial" issues are stirred up via the right wing media. However, real issues, like class issues, apply to people of all skin colours. For example, on the housing estate I live in, a number of us have been threatened with eviction. Some of us have white skin and some of us have black skin, but the issue affects us as a class of people and colour does not come into it. It is not a separete issue between people of different skin colours--we are not categorized (by our housing authority) by our skin colour, we are in the same boat, with the same issue--what we are categorized by is our inability to pay overdue rent. The only differences between us are our ethnic backgrounds and the colour of our skin, which don't come into play with regards to the problems at hand. Therefore, in this instance (and most others), "race" is not related to our issues as a class. We share the same conditions; geographical, social and in relation to our class and we also share a culture. Some of us just look a bit different, or come from different parts of the world, that's all.

[lombas]

Theres a reason that Medical Science looks at genetics dealing with race when looking for cures to diseases or various other things. ;)

Yes, like, for instance, we can look to blacks for a cure for sunburn, because they never have it!

Or do they?



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[Lulznet]

Yes, like, for instance, we can look to blacks for a cure for sunburn, because they never have it!

Or do they?



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You do know that genetics vary between different races correct? :cool:


This is just generalized bullshit! Where I live, in Europe, "racial" issues are stirred up via the right wing media. However, real issues, like class issues, apply to people of all skin colours. For example, on the housing estate I live in, a number of us have been threatened with eviction. Some of us have white skin and some of us have black skin, but the issue affects us as a class of people and colour does not come into it. It is not a separete issue between people of different skin colours--we are not categorized (by our housing authority) by our skin colour, we are in the same boat, with the same issue. The only differences between us are our ethnic backgrounds and the colour of our skin, which don't come into play with regards to the problems at hand. Therefore, in this instance (and most others), "race" is not related to our issues as a class. We share the same conditions; geographical, social and in relation to our class and we also share a culture. Some of us just look a bit different, or come from different parts of the world, that's all.

I disagree on abandoning a notion of racial belonging due to the fact that if we abandon it we're forgetting each races past achievements, downfalls and various other things. Race fits into Humanity and humanity is separated by races and classes.

[lombas]

You do know that genetics vary between different races correct? :cool:


You do know genetics vary between all individuals?

[Lulznet]

You do know genetics vary between all individuals?

And individuals are apart of a racial makeup. :)

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

You do know that genetics vary between different races correct? :cool:



I disagree on abandoning a notion of racial belonging due to the fact that if we abandon it we're forgetting each races past achievements, downfalls and various other things. Race fits into Humanity and humanity is separated by races and classes.
Can I ask what your political ideology is?

[Lulznet]

Can I ask what your political ideology is?

I'm an independent communist advocating workers control over an industry.

I don't see how this has to do with my outlook on racial identification and belonging however. :blink:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Pride in something that was handed to one in a genetic lottery, rather than something one strived to achieved, is severely misplaced.

Misplaced and harmful can be two different things.

[Quail]

The racist ones are involved in the White Power movement, they use White Pride in an attempt to confuse people into believing that the two are the same to further their goal of racial supremacy.

I think I know where (http://www.***************/forum/) I've heard that line before.

[the last donut of the night]

I disagree on abandoning a notion of racial belonging due to the fact that if we abandon it we're forgetting each races past achievements, downfalls and various other things. Race fits into Humanity and humanity is separated by races and classes.

This is where you're wrong, I believe. Human history is not driven by races, it's driven by class conflict. Thus the idea of having pride in the abstract notion of "race" to the point where you think that each race has its own past achievements, glories and what not (and all these are separate from class struggle), then you're basically forgetting and forgoing Marxism. It's class, not race. For example, the notion of someone being "Black" and "white" is a relatively new one. A Slav in 8th century Europe would not see himself as white and a Khoisan in 8th century southern Africa would not see himself as black. The idea of races, in fact, is one created by capitalism. Class struggles create the ideas of race. Advocating pride in your race over class struggle is an essentially reactionary idea -- it means uniting with your white bosses, for example, instead of uniting with all workers.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I'm an independent communist advocating workers control over an industry.

I don't see how this has to do with my outlook on racial identification and belonging however. :blink:
I was curious as to what you would say. I have never once spoken to a communist who promotes the ideal of "racial pride". In fact, as has been pointed out, any kind of racial pride is contradictory to class struggle and communism.

[Lulznet]

This is where you're wrong, I believe. Human history is not driven by races, it's driven by class conflict. Thus the idea of having pride in the abstract notion of "race" to the point where you think that each race has its own past achievements, glories and what not (and all these are separate from class struggle), then you're basically forgetting and forgoing Marxism. It's class, not race. For example, the notion of someone being "Black" and "white" is a relatively new one. A Slav in 8th century Europe would not see himself as white and a Khoisan in 8th century southern Africa would not see himself as black. The idea of races, in fact, is one created by capitalism. Class struggles create the ideas of race. Advocating pride in your race over class struggle is an essentially reactionary idea -- it means uniting with your white bosses, for example, instead of uniting with all workers.
I see what you're saying there but to a certain point I just feel white culture (mainly European) deserves to be a place for racial identity for whites. The same goes for various other races just fill in the blanks for said race and said culture.

Overall, I have to say that class struggle and race in my own opinion are two separate struggles. :thumbup1:


I think I know where (http://www.***************/forum/) I've heard that line before.

White Nationalism and White Pride are two different things.


I was curious as to what you would say. I have never once spoken to a communist who promotes the ideal of "racial pride". In fact, as has been pointed out, any kind of racial pride is contradictory to class struggle and communism.

I don't see how its contradictory when National Liberation Movements seem to always have some sort of racial identification part to them. Also, as far as its goes theres a Black Pride group on Revleft.

[ComradeOm]

I draw the line at the point where they're only genetically 'white' to a certain point... Argentinians are a good example of this... Even though certain Argentinians have white skin, they're not 'white'Why on earth not? Argentina is just as 'European' as the US. Or is this coming back to skin colour again? If so would you consider Spanish and Italians to be 'White'?


Also, a group of White Texans and White Norwegians could likely find similarities between each others culture if they were to look for itWhereas black Texans and black Norwegians are completely incompatible? :confused:

[Lulznet]

Why on earth not? Argentina is just as 'European' as the US. Or is this coming back to skin colour again? If so would you consider Spanish and Italians to be 'White'?

Whereas black Texans and black Norwegians are completely incompatible? :confused:


It has to do with genetics. Spaniards and Italians are considered white.

What I was saying on that was that they'd have cultural similarities due to race just as Black Texans and Black Norwegians would due to race. :lol:

[Quail]

White Nationalism and White Pride are two different things.

I hope I don't sound like a weirdo for browsing stormfront occasionally to see their insane perspectives on things, but I've seen the words I quoted from you posted on there many times. I'm sure I could find a quote for you if I had time.



I don't see how its contradictory when National Liberation Movements seem to always have some sort of racial identification part to them. Also, as far as its goes theres a Black Pride group on Revleft.
There is a difference between "pride" for groups that are oppressed, and groups that aren't. There is no male alternative to feminism, or straight pride, because men and heterosexuals don't tend to suffer from oppression.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I hope I don't sound like a weirdo for browsing stormfront occasionally to see their insane perspectives on things, but I've seen the words I quoted from you posted on there many times. I'm sure I could find a quote for you if I had time.

Your clearly a stormfront troll, get lost racist.

[Lulznet]

I hope I don't sound like a weirdo for browsing stormfront occasionally to see their insane perspectives on things, but I've seen the words I quoted from you posted on there many times. I'm sure I could find a quote for you if I had time.


There is a difference between "pride" for groups that are oppressed, and groups that aren't. There is no male alternative to feminism, or straight pride, because men and heterosexuals don't tend to suffer from oppression.
So wait what happens to the group when the oppression ends? Is it just supposed to after that moment not be proud of its culture? :lol:


Your clearly a stormfront troll, get lost racist.

I'm not a racist or a troll... If you can't discuss something such as this you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I'm not a racist or a troll... If you can't discuss something such as this you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

I'm not talking to you, i'm trying to troll my girlfriend.

We need new trolls, the current ones are pretty dam thick (Like you, mr 'white pride').

[Quail]

So wait what happens to the group when the oppression ends? Is it just supposed to after that moment not be proud of its culture? :lol:

It isn't really about being proud of your culture exactly. It's more about getting your culture (or getting yourselves, as people) acknowledged to be just as important as that of the group that isn't oppressed. All people and culture should be celebrated, but pride in you culture just doesn't make any sense because it's not an acheivement. You were born into that culture by some accident, so how can it possibly be something to be proud of?

[Lulznet]

It isn't really about being proud of your culture exactly. It's more about getting your culture (or getting yourselves, as people) acknowledged to be just as important as that of the group that isn't oppressed. All people and culture should be celebrated, but pride in you culture just doesn't make any sense because it's not an acheivement. You were born into that culture by some accident, so how can it possibly be something to be proud of?
Getting acknowledged as being just as important is 'pride in your race/culture.' If we're to celebrate every race/culture we must take pride in each race/culture for its achievements, thoughts and standpoints. You're confusing the word achievement into meaning something that it isn't its simply things that the culture has done previously and you can link yourself back to it based on heritage. :rolleyes:

I find it something to be proud of due to the fact that I respect my heritage. :mad:

[revolution inaction]

I'm not a racist or a troll... If you can't discuss something such as this you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

if you think race is real and represents differences between people ( beyond skin colour, facial features) then you are a racist.

[Quail]

Since your heritage is an accident of birth, I don't see why you have grounds to be more proud of "white culture" (whatever you define that as) than any other culture though. The oppressed people use a pride-type movement to give their culture the equal status it deserves. However there is no reason to be proud of one culture over another.

[Lulznet]

Since your heritage is an accident of birth, I don't see why you have grounds to be more proud of "white culture" (whatever you define that as) than any other culture though. The oppressed people use a pride-type movement to give their culture the equal status it deserves. However there is no reason to be proud of one culture over another.
If you had read what I had said previously, I fully welcome and expect pride in other cultures such as African, Hispanic and so on, just as I have pride in White Culture.

Its not a 'pride type movement' its pride in their respective culture. If you had read I was not pushing a power esque movement of White Culture being better than any other culture... What I have and continue to push however is pride in White Culture due to the fact that I am White and White Culture makes an important impact on my life.


if you think race is real and represents differences between people ( beyond skin colour, facial features) then you are a racist.


Race is quite real and represents many differences due to genetics between each race. There are genetic differences between Africans, Whites and other races.

Also, I'm not racist due to the fact that I'm not pushing supremacy or judging any other race based on its race. :)

[the last donut of the night]

Overall, I have to say that class struggle and race in my own opinion are two separate struggles. :thumbup1:


Question then: would you rather fight for your white boss your fellow black worker?

[Lulznet]

Question then: would you rather fight for your white boss your fellow black worker?

My fellow back worker mainly due to the fact that my thoughts on White Pride aren't based on Nationalist ideas that include supremacy or various other things, but they're simply based on pride of racial heritage. :thumbup1:

[Quail]

What is "white culture"? What about it makes you proud?

White pride has no use, because white people are not being oppressed or being made to abandon their culture (although I'm not really convinced that there is such a thing as "white culture"). A pride movement is typically to protect a minority from being oppressed. For example, most homosexuals generally do not think that being gay is something to be proud of (someone's sexuality is a part of them, but it's not something that one can change), but gay pride is a movement that fights for people that aren't straight to get recognition as equals in society.

[Lulznet]

What is "white culture"? What about it makes you proud?

White pride has no use, because white people are not being oppressed or being made to abandon their culture (although I'm not really convinced that there is such a thing as "white culture"). A pride movement is typically to protect a minority from being oppressed. For example, most homosexuals generally do not think that being gay is something to be proud of (someone's sexuality is a part of them, but it's not something that one can change), but gay pride is a movement that fights for people that aren't straight to get recognition as equals in society.
White Culture is a systematic series of culture that has been put out by Whites. I feel pride into it due to the fact that it is apart of my heritage. Apart of a racial line that I am too apart of. :)

This seems to be a rather Third Worldist thought on racial pride... I say this due to the fact that you simply focus on oppression instead of heritage and being proud of where you have come from, which is what White Pride is about.

You're also confusing a pride movement with being proud of heritage and its culture. :lol:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

White Culture is a systematic series of culture that has been put out by Whites. I feel pride into it due to the fact that it is apart of my heritage. Apart of a racial line that I am too apart of. :)

This seems to be a rather Third Worldist thought on racial pride... I say this due to the fact that you simply focus on oppression instead of heritage and being proud of where you have come from, which is what White Pride is about.

You're also confusing a pride movement with being proud of heritage and its culture. :lol:

From what I understand of your poorly worded fucktard-post, you seem to be confusing the achivements of a variety of cultures and nations who happen to be white, with some giant-hemogenous 'white culture', I'd like to see you explain how the achivements of the beaker people is remotely related to the development of nuclear physics.

[lombas]

"White culture is a systematic series of culture that has been put out by Whites."

What a genius definition for the common academic schoolbook.

[Lulznet]

"White culture is a systematic series of culture that has been put out by Whites."

What a genius definition for the common academic schoolbook.
If I must say so myself, it was quite a good definition. :lol:


From what I understand of your poorly worded fucktard-post, you seem to be confusing the achivements of a variety of cultures and nations who happen to be white, with some giant-hemogenous 'white culture', I'd like to see you explain how the achivements of the beaker people is remotely related to the development of nuclear physics.
And the very fact that they're White places them into White Culture. :rolleyes:

[Quail]

White Culture is a systematic series of culture that has been put out by Whites. I feel pride into it due to the fact that it is apart of my heritage. Apart of a racial line that I am too apart of. :)
This seems like a bit of a cop-out answer. What aspects of this "systematic series of culture" are you especially proud of? Why are you proud of what your ancestors did when you played no part in it? You could have been born to anyone, anywhere. Your "racial line" (whatever you mean by that) isn't something to be proud of. Being born white is a coincidence. I'm not proud to be white because I don't see something you're born with as anything to be proud of.


This seems to be a rather Third Worldist thought on racial pride... I say this due to the fact that you simply focus on oppression instead of heritage and being proud of where you have come from, which is what White Pride is about.

You're also confusing a pride movement with being proud of heritage and its culture. :lol:
White pride is different to any other kind of pride, because white people in various parts of the world, with their various cultures (because there is no homogenous "white culture") have not had to fight to find an identity and build a culture in a place that they were not accepted.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I have my money on this guy being a stormfront troller. No communist would advocate "white pride" or try and defend it on any basis.

Also, just to point out, I was having a look at stormfront a while ago and came across a thread in which a few fashies were talking about coming onto revleft and trying to preach to the "whites" there.

[Lulznet]

I have my money on this guy being a stormfront troller. No communist would advocate "white pride" or try and defend it on any basis.

Also, just to point out, I was having a look at stormfront a while ago and came across a thread in which a few fashies were talking about coming onto revleft and trying to preach to the "whites" there.
I'm not from Stormfront and I'm a Communist... So you can count me as the first if you'd like to. :thumbup1:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

And the very fact that they're White places them into White Culture. :rolleyes:

Why not 'European', 'Latin speaking', 'Westernized', 'celtic', 'on the altantic cost' your just making arbirtary definintions that hold no water.

Tell me where are you from in this world?

(I'm guessing the south in the USA, only horrific inbreading would explain this level of dumbass).

And why do you caplitalize the word 'white'...? Only other place i've seen people do that is my dear chums at stormfront.

[Lulznet]

Why not 'European', 'Latin speaking', 'Westernized', 'celtic', 'on the altantic cost' your just making arbirtary definintions that hold no water.

Tell me where are you from in this world?

(I'm guessing the south in the USA, only horrific inbreading would explain this level of dumbass).

And why do you caplitalize the word 'white'...? Only other place i've seen people do that is my dear chums at stormfront.
I'm from the East Coast. :lol: Not exactly the South...

I capitalize the term White due to the fact that its referring to the White Race and White Culture. :bored:

Those terms don't hold the entire White heritage together and thus cannot be used.:rolleyes:

[Lulznet]

This seems like a bit of a cop-out answer. What aspects of this "systematic series of culture" are you especially proud of? Why are you proud of what your ancestors did when you played no part in it? You could have been born to anyone, anywhere. Your "racial line" (whatever you mean by that) isn't something to be proud of. Being born white is a coincidence. I'm not proud to be white because I don't see something you're born with as anything to be proud of.


White pride is different to any other kind of pride, because white people in various parts of the world, with their various cultures (because there is no homogenous "white culture") have not had to fight to find an identity and build a culture in a place that they were not accepted.

White Pride isn't different at all to any other kind of pride. There should be no reason that you should be ashamed due to your race or culture... Which is what you're attempting to say should be done.

The term racial line is referring to White Ancestry, and you should be proud of your culture and heritage. :thumbup1:

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I'm not from Stormfront and I'm a Communist... So you can count me as the first if you'd like to. :thumbup1:
I wont count you because no real communist would believe in having pride in a "race".

[Lulznet]

I wont count you because no real communist would believe in having pride in a "race".
Then we can count several Marxist-Leninist movements off then. :rolleyes:

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Then we can count several Marxist-Leninist movements off then. :rolleyes:
like?

[Lulznet]

like?
The struggles in Columbia, various regions of Africa, Vietnam, the Middle East and various other areas were/are based on Ethnicity as well. :cool:

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I haven't seen any evidence that any Marxist movement has been based on "race". If it was, then I'd say that its not a Marxist movement at all.

[Quail]

I don't think people should be ashamed of their culture, but I also don't think that it is something to be proud of. To me, it's just neutral.

But anyway, you've repeatedly dodged the question of what exactly it is about "white culture" you're proud of. You haven't even given a satisfactory definition of what you consider to be white culture.

And by the way, "white" is an adjective, and "race", "culture" and "ancestry" are not proper nouns.

[Invincible Summer]

The struggles in Columbia, various regions of Africa, Vietnam, the Middle East and various other areas were/are based on Ethnicity as well. :cool:

Anti-imperialism is not the same as ethnic/race "pride."

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I'm from the East Coast. :lol: Not exactly the South...

I capitalize the term White due to the fact that its referring to the White Race and White Culture. :bored:

Those terms don't hold the entire White heritage together and thus cannot be used.:rolleyes:

Alright, mr middle-class angry teen, can you explain to me, with examples for refrence how you are linked to and follow on from the following civilizations/cultures who happened to have a similar melanin level in there skin as you:

The Welsh Argentine 'Y WLADFA' colony

Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa)

The Bactrian/Indo-Greek kingdoms

Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom)
Indo-Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom)

The Sami people

Sami people overview (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people)

Please?

[incogweedo]

White Pride isn't different at all to any other kind of pride. There should be no reason that you should be ashamed due to your race or culture... Which is what you're attempting to say should be done.

The term racial line is referring to White Ancestry, and you should be proud of your culture and heritage. :thumbup1:


I agree. Imo, being white is nothing to be ashamed of, nor is being black, hispanic, asian, or anything. We must embrace the fact that we are different, and look back into our heritages with pride. With this said, we should not let our diversity get in the way of us moving forward as a human race. And some white people make the rest of us look like them. Nazis, Aryans, KKK, fuck them all. There is a difference between white pride and white power.


TL: DR
Being proud of your heritage - ok, as long as you realize that every human being is equal

White power - Bad
Black power - Bad
any other ethnicity power - bad

[Lulznet]

I agree. Imo, being white is nothing to be ashamed of, nor is being black, hispanic, asian, or anything. We must embrace the fact that we are different, and look back into our heritages with pride. With this said, we should not let our diversity get in the way of us moving forward as a human race. And some white people make the rest of us look like them. Nazis, Aryans, KKK, fuck them all. There is a difference between white pride and white power.


TL: DR
Being proud of your heritage - ok, as long as you realize that every human being is equal

White power - Bad
Black power - Bad
any other ethnicity power - bad
This is what I've been saying the entire time... Which is that I hold pride in my heritage, race and culture. :thumbup1:

And have completely denounced any Power movement by any ethnicity. :lol:


Alright, mr middle-class angry teen, can you explain to me, with examples for refrence how you are linked to and follow on from the following civilizations/cultures who happened to have a similar melanin level in there skin as you:

The Welsh Argentine 'Y WLADFA' colony

Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa)

The Bactrian/Indo-Greek kingdoms

Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom)
Indo-Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom)

The Sami people

Sami people overview (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people)

Please?

They all link back together by race thus making it a racial line.


Anti-imperialism is not the same as ethnic/race "pride."

During said movements they had relied heavily on cultural and racial pride. :mad:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

This is what I've been saying the entire time... Which is that I hold pride in my heritage, race and culture. :thumbup1:

And have completely denounced any Power movement by any ethnicity. :lol:



They all link back together by race thus making it a racial line.

No, they don't acctually, do some homework, and stop wanking.

[Lulznet]

No, they don't acctually, do some homework, and stop wanking.

Yes, they do... :cool:

[Quail]

They all link back together by race thus making it a racial line.


Enough with this "race" thing - the colour of people's skin doesn't automatically give them something in common. What is it that you have pride in? What is the "white culture" that you're so proud of?

[Leonid Brozhnev]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgmjL6z2jY

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Yes, they do... :cool:

Really? Care to explain how a welsh colony in argentina, two quasi-hellenistic kingdoms in afganistan and india and the sami people are related?

And if its by some magic 'white racial line', your just talking out of your deeply infected arsehole.

[Lulznet]

Really? Care to explain how a welsh colony in argentina, two quasi-hellenistic kingdoms in afganistan and india and the sami people are related?

And if its by some magic 'white racial line', your just talking out of your deeply infected arsehole.

Its all due to White Racial Heritage, that is what they all have in common. :)


xDgmjL6z2jY

On Carlin, its about History, and being proud of your heritage and about who you are... And race makes up a decent part of this.


Enough with this "race" thing - the colour of people's skin doesn't automatically give them something in common. What is it that you have pride in? What is the "white culture" that you're so proud of?

Its not simply the color of the skin-- its the genetics that are behind the color of the skin that give them something in common. My pride is in White Culture due to the fact that I'm White. The very fact that they're in my heritage.

[GreenCommunism]

sure being interested in white european history is okay, being of the same ethnicity or nation of those white european nation may trigger interests in such a culture because schools usually teach modern history of the country and not as much of the world.

unlike what some stormfronters say, nobody on the left is ashamed of being white, though he may be ashamed of what some of his ancestors did. it is no good to be ashamed of what they did since you did not personally do it but the fact that you and such descendants still profit off the crimes that happened a long time ago still means you have some responsibility to take about the issue.

fact is, this thread is useless and based on false premise, the line is crossed when you want to preserve white culture and restrict immigration to europeans, knowing the history of the nation you come from is no crime.

also it should be noted that people can look up their genealogy and what their ancestors did can be interesting and spark curiosity on anyone's culture.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Its all due to White Racial Heritage, that is what they all have in common. :)

I'm done with this, I leave you to talk about how 'awesome the white race is'.

You dumb honky motherfucker.

[Lulznet]

sure being interested in white european history is okay, being of the same ethnicity or nation of those white european nation may trigger interests in such a culture because schools usually teach modern history of the country and not as much of the world.

unlike what some stormfronters say, nobody on the left is ashamed of being white, though he may be ashamed of what some of his ancestors did. it is no good to be ashamed of what they did since you did not personally do it but the fact that you and such descendants still profit off the crimes that happened a long time ago still means you have some responsibility to take about the issue.

fact is, this thread is useless and based on false premise, the line is crossed when you want to preserve white culture and restrict immigration to europeans, knowing the history of the nation you come from is no crime.

also it should be noted that people can look up their genealogy and what their ancestors can be interesting and spark curiosity on anyone's culture.
Again-- I'm not from Stormfront and I've never attempted to hate on any other race...

Some of you need to read back in the thread when just joining in on threads. :mad:


I'm done with this, I leave you to talk about how 'awesome the white race is'.

You dumb honky motherfucker.

Bye... Thats pretty derogatory as well.

[Quail]

Its not simply the color of the skin-- its the genetics that are behind the color of the skin that give them something in common. My pride is in White Culture due to the fact that I'm White. The very fact that they're in my heritage.

Colour of the skin is caused by genetics, but how do genetics give people a common culture? The different genetics arose as an adaptaion to different climates in different areas of the world. Your genes are nothing to be proud of. You didn't choose them or do anything to deserve the set of genes you were born with. It was an accident, get over it.

What even is "white culture" and why won't you answer that question? I suspect it's because you can't really define it properly.

[Robocommie]

The struggles in Columbia, various regions of Africa, Vietnam, the Middle East and various other areas were/are based on Ethnicity as well. :cool:

Ethnic pride is quite a different thing from racial pride. I'm proud to be of German and Norwegian descent, I'm not proud of anything so fucking asinine as being white. Whiteness is a racist construct which only exists in a colonial context.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Ethnic pride is quite a different thing from racial pride. I'm proud to be of German and Norwegian descent, I'm not proud of anything so fucking asinine as being white. Whiteness is a racist construct which only exists in a colonial context.

Exactly, so stop acting like these dumb pricks
http://taylorsiluwe.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c8e0153ef01157053dc09970b-400wi

[Franz Fanonipants]

sweet balls why hasn't this guy been banned yet?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

The struggles in Columbia, various regions of Africa, Vietnam, the Middle East and various other areas were/are based on Ethnicity as well. :cool:

You just don't learn, do you? How many times do I need to point out to you that race and ethnicity are two different concepts? The term white is a race term not an ethnic term.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

xDgmjL6z2jY

[Invincible Summer]

xDgmjL6z2jY


BurroDiablo beat you to it: http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1776721&postcount=74



This thread really really needs to be closed

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

Lulznet, perhaps you should attempt to define properly and coherently the concept you are trying to defend before you invoke it in discussion, no?

But let me see if I can work out how exactly you conceive "race" based on what you have posted so far:



Race however influences several things in culture such as how a certain group acts.

So one's "racial" makeup influences their culture and therefore their behavior? Ok, but how? You say "race" is predicated on genetics here:


I draw the line at the point where they're only genetically 'white' to a certain point...

So I can only come to the conclusion that, in your view, "race" is a group of persons who share similar physical characteristics and cultural/behavioral tendencies, all of which are determined by their genetic makeup. So blacks, for example, act a certain way because of genes in your view, no?

Clarify it for me if I have it all wrong. But if my reading is accurate, then you may want to consider membership at the stormfront forum, instead of this place.

[revolution inaction]

Race is quite real and represents many differences due to genetics between each race. There are genetic differences between Africans, Whites and other races.

there is more genetic variation within races than between them.



Also, I'm not racist due to the fact that I'm not pushing supremacy or judging any other race based on its race. :)

you don't have to be, just believing in race makes you racist

[cska]

there is more genetic variation within races than between them.



you don't have to be, just believing in race makes you racist

Well you have to admit that whites are a separate race. You'll be hard-pressed to find a non-white who is as big an asshole as even the nicest white...

[Robocommie]

Well you have to admit that whites are a separate race. You'll be hard-pressed to find a non-white who is as big an asshole as even the nicest white...

:blink:

:lol:

[this is an invasion]

I don't see how any showing of being white can be pushed into the barriers of racism. Especially when other Ethnic pride movements are constantly pushed into the left and supported. :(

Is there truly anything wrong with being white? Should I be ashamed to be white? I think not... Should someone be ashamed to be their race? No they shouldn't, they should be proud to be who they are. And apart of who they are includes race.

Me? I'm White, so I overly look at issues from a white standpoint... I'm almost certain that this would be done as well by someone of a different ethnic background.

I know I'm likely to get flamed for making a thread like this and likely banned due to the fact that it won't be responded to well due to the fact that what I'm saying could be considered 'racist'. So I'm just going to make it known that not only am I not encouraging racism but I'm just looking for whites to accept their racial identity as whites, just as blacks are able to accept their racial identity as blacks. :)

We shouldn't have racial identity. It is a false construct. That being said, I do not think anyone should be ashamed of the color of their skin. Or proud for that matter.

Whites do not represent a homogeneous interest group, and neither do Blacks, Browns, Gays, Men, Women, etc. The idea of accepting racial identity implies that working class Whites have anything in common with bourgeois Whites. Do you really think the bourgeoisie gives a fuck about our skin color?

[this is an invasion]

sweet balls why hasn't this guy been banned yet?

Because he hasn't done anything wrong? His analysis is faulty, but he's not saying that White people are better, or should be separate from anyone else.

Maybe instead of being an asshole, you should reach out to people


EDIT: Just went back and read some more posts... I look foolish now. I don't think he should be banned yet, but I do think he is bordering on racist.

[the last donut of the night]

(I'm guessing the south in the USA, only horrific inbreading would explain this level of dumbass).


Not only is this elitist and arrogant, you also spelled "inbreeding" wrong.

[the last donut of the night]

Yes, they do... :cool:

No; you're just being willfully annoying right now. By your logic, Welsh tribes a thousand years ago would also be proud of being white. They were not. Being white is something completely created by society. Upholding the white race is as ridiculous as the idea of Hitler's Aryan race -- oh wait, I'm sure you support that idea too...

[Uppercut]

Whites do not represent a homogeneous interest group, and neither do Blacks, Browns, Gays, Men, Women, etc.

Well, pertaining to women and gays, there ia still a stifling amount of chauvinism and anti-LGBT sentiments out there so I don't blame womens' rights and LGBT groups agitating on behalf of their liberation. But I agree with your general point. We shouldn't have to look at races or social groups as unequals.

[#FF0000]

I can't say I agree there. Scientifically we're all different genetically due to race. Even more so-- race is one of those things that should be respected due to the fact that it is apart of what makes up who we are. :thumbup1:

We're not genetically different due to race. Race is based off of superficial physical features. Skin color and all that. You can't look at DNA and find a "White" or "Black" gene.

[GreenCommunism]

We're not genetically different due to race. Race is based off of superficial physical features. Skin color and all that. You can't look at DNA and find a "White" or "Black" gene.

you actually can test your dna and figure out your ancestry.

there is more genetic variation within races than between them.
i don't understand this one, some anarchist guy on youtube (buddaghem i think) said there is more genetical difference between a tall and a small man than between 2 person of different race but of same height. is that what you mean? i think it is a good argument but then again there is not only skin color but face structure and certain genetical diseases which are different even if they are of the same height.


By your logic, Welsh tribes a thousand years ago would also be proud of being white. They were not. Being white is something completely created by society

yes but just about anything is created by society, and the welsh were proud of what they were, including their appearance, so white skin is included in that. welsh were proud of the unique face they had, compared to the bloody frog looking frenchman. ( i am french canadian by the way, so that you don't think im bashing france)

[Atlee]

The only pride I'm encouraging is the respect of each and every race and being allowed racial identity.

There is nothing wrong with respect. I think the underlying problem here is what Kid Rock referred to as "Being guilty of being White" in a song he wrote, I think it was named Amen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XfKGI2o_VQ).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Misplaced and harmful can be two different things.

Yeah, but you might as well be "proud" of having curly hair or blue eyes. It just doesn't make sense on its own, unless there is some element of superiority going on.

[Dimentio]

Alright.

Before this thread is locked, I want to include this entry.

1. It is meaningless to talk about race as some form of cultural manner, since what is affecting people's perception of their surrounding world is the social group they are being brought up with.

2. Race come with some differences regardless of skin colour. For example are many East Asians intolerant of milk. Hence, these medical differences cannot be ignored for political conveniency due to the fact that they could even mean the difference between life and death for a person who is hospitalised and in need for medication.

3. The studies showing that people have different IQ's after what race they belong to are flawed, and IQ is not a good way of measuring intelligence since it is dependent on stimulation from the outside world which simply cannot be acquired in certain environments.

4. Even if blacks in general had lower IQ than other races, that would not constitute a reason to discriminate them. People should be judged after their individual capabilities, not the capabilities of any random group they belong to.

5. Even if there was no human race and all human beings originally were put here from different planets, it would still not be any justification to seclude groups from one another or trying to wipe out groups.

6. I cannot understand people who want to derive pride from what "race", "religion" or fan club they belong to. That says nothing about themselves apart from the identity they project on the world.

7. Ethnopluralism is building on the false foundation that human beings foremost identify themselves as members of ethnic groups, races or cultures, and that the majority of human beings intrinsically want to become a part of a greater ethnic "we".

8. The only reason why (clever) nazis today call themselves ethnopluralists or identitarians is that the situation is different from the 1930's today. The colonies are free, racism is not a state ideology but on the contrary politically unacceptable in most countries, and the capitalist class is not supporting ethno-supremacism any more due to the fact that the capitalist class is increasingly dependent on production scattered in all parts of the world. If society was more susceptible to racism, certainly they would speak their heart out.

Thread locked

[black magick hustla]

i banned him. someone who has the word lulz in his username and makes a thread about white pride? geez