Somali Islamists Kill Two For Watching World Cup

[Agnapostate]

http://en.rian.ru/sports/20100614/159415097.html


Somali militants killed two soccer fans whom they caught watching a 2010 FIFA World Cup game, the International Sports Press Association (AIPS) said on its website.

In 2006 the Islamic Courts Union which controlled most of Somalia prohibited the World Cup and other soccer competitions on the grounds that it was a "satanic act."

The incident took place late on Saturday in a village near the Somali capital Mogadishu. A group of heavily armed militants of the Hezbal Islam radical group attacked a house where a group of soccer fans secretly followed the tense Argentina-Nigeria game.

"Two young men who tried to jump over the wall were shot and killed while ten others including my husband and my teenage son were taken into Islamist custody in the village," Halima Ahmed, a mother of five children told AIPS in a phone conversation.

A Hezbal Islam leader, Sheik Mohamed Abu Abdalla, said the men violated the Islamic law and those caught by militants will be tried in an Islamic court.

"Football descended from the old Christian cultures and our Islamic administration will never allow watching what they call the FIFA World Cup. We are sending our last warning to the people," he said.
President of the Somali Football Federation, Said Mahmoud Nur, declined to comment on the report citing "security reasons."

Meanwhile, residents in the southern Jubba regions have sent a complaint letter to the Al Shabab militant group, which controls most of the southern and central parts of Somalia and a large swath of the capital seeking permission to watch the world's largest sporting event.

But when community elders entered the Al Shabab administrative office in the southern key port town of Kismayo on Saturday, they were told that they would be arrested if they came back with a similar request.

My, how "anarchist." Violently enforced dictates handed down by theocratic institutions is certainly right along the lines of "no rulers."

[Saorsa]

My, how "anarchist." Violently enforced dictates handed down by theocratic institutions is certainly right along the lines of "no rulers."

Um, who on the left says the Somalian Islamists are anarchists?

[Agnapostate]

Didn't say that anyone did. I'm mocking the somewhat popular misconception among the less informed members of the public, including some of the pseudo-anarchists on mises.org, interestingly.

[Saorsa]

Fair nuf.

[Abbas]

Huh. I never knew football was un-Islamic. Guess I'm going to Hell.
This is insane.

[Agnapostate]

It's odd. Even the Taliban let it continue, albeit with prohibitions of shorts and executions of people on the field.

[GreenCommunism]

somalia is no longer anarchistic. there is a new government no?

by the way this is bullshit, those islamist radical are unislamic. islam doesn't prevent people from playing sports. those nutcase never follow centuries of debate among islamic scholars they make up rules based on their crazy ideas.

[Agnapostate]

When was Somalia "anarchistic"?

[Qayin]

those islamist radical are unislamic

That is like saying Zionists aren't Jews or those God hates fags people arn't Christians.

[Agnapostate]

There are plenty of Zionists that aren't Jews. And non-nationalistic Jews tend not to be Zionists.

[it_ain't_me]

That is like saying Zionists aren't Jews or those God hates fags people arn't Christians. or that national socialists aren't socialist?

[RATM-Eubie]

wow

[Qayin]

There are plenty of Zionists that aren't Jews. And non-nationalistic Jews tend not to be Zionists.
You missed the point completely, theres alot of Zionist Jews. Does that make them unJudaic?


or that national socialists aren't socialist? Your a jackass.

Hey guys we can bash Christians and Jesus all we want but when it comes to Islam hell nah

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

It's odd. Even the Taliban let it continue, albeit with prohibitions of shorts and executions of people on the field.
Compared to Hizb al-Islam and Al-Shabab, the Taliban are sissies.

[4 Leaf Clover]

what a shitty way to die

[Palestine]

I don't know why I think its ridiculous, because Islam says you should do sport, it doesn't prohibit it.
As for you AMKsurgency,
Indeed being a Zionist makes you unJudaic, because according to the bible there won't be a state of Israel there will be a kingdom of Israel, and will be built by a divine order, not by atheistic Jews. This is why many Jewish religious groups considers Israel a sin, and an illegal state.

[Obs]

"Football descended from the old Christian cultures and our Islamic administration will never allow watching what they call the FIFA World Cup. We are sending our last warning to the people," he said. No, a last warning doesn't come immediately after you start killing people.

[4 Leaf Clover]

thats just sick

they know dick about Koran , its easy to spot they never read it

[it_ain't_me]

Your a jackass. Hey guys we can bash Christians and Jesus all we want but when it comes to Islam hell nah it's 'you're'. 'you're' a jackass. (now even *i* feel like a jackass, correcting people's grammar). anyway, you can get all pissed, or you could have just addressed my point calmly. i don't think islam is the light for fuck's sake. i was just pointing out that the definition of a person as belonging to a group is not always determined solely by that person's self-definition. there are objective criteria as well. i don't necessarily agree with the poster who said that the taliban 'aren't islamic', but s/he was nonetheless making a valid point that they are outside of the overwhelming current of historical islamic thought, rather than being the ultimate expression of radical fundamentalist islam or whatever the hell it is that most people in the west see them as. finally, as to your statement that ''we can bash christians and jesus all we want but when it comes to islam hell nah'', you're fucking right that in the midst of a western crusade (what our leaders call the 'war on terror') it is the duty of every internationalist to try and seek out ways of understanding islamic civilization and promoting connections with it (and hopefully converting a large part of it, by convincing them that secular leftist anti-imperialism is a better ideology for defending themselves against the united states and its allies than political islam is). not to condone every aspect of it, but to combat the dominant disgusting prejudice and overwhelming ignorance against islamic civilization as a whole which is so far making war after war against islamic countries possible.

[danyboy27]

I don't know why I think its ridiculous, because Islam says you should do sport, it doesn't prohibit it.
As for you AMKsurgency,
Indeed being a Zionist makes you unJudaic, because according to the bible there won't be a state of Israel there will be a kingdom of Israel, and will be built by a divine order, not by atheistic Jews. This is why many Jewish religious groups considers Israel a sin, and an illegal state.

something wrong in your sentence man, you should correct it man.

there is no such thing has atheistic jews, being jewish is a religious thing not a racial thing.

[Palestine]

something wrong in your sentence man, you should correct it man.

there is no such thing has atheistic jews, being jewish is a religious thing not a racial thing.

There is no need to correct what I wrote, simply because they don't consider Judaism as a religion, but also a nationality.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Your a jackass.


Please don't flame people. This is a verbal warning.

[Kléber]

There is no need to correct what I wrote, simply because they don't consider Judaism as a religion, but also a nationality.
Israeli is the nationality and not all Israelis are Jewish. By the logic of anti-Israel Zionists though, 99.9% of Christians aren't real Christians because they follow Paul's revisionist teachings and pay taxes, and the same for all Muslims who have reinterpreted controversial Qur'anic verses in a figurative way.

[Palestine]

Israeli is the nationality and not all Israelis are Jewish. By the logic of anti-Israel Zionists though, 99.9% of Christians aren't real Christians because they follow Paul's revisionist teachings and pay taxes, and the same for all Muslims who have reinterpreted Qur'anic verses in a figurative way.

Israeli is not the nationality i know that, they consider it a Jewish state, this means I as an Arab citizen in Israel is not included. This why its a racist state in the first place. Its for Jews only.

[danyboy27]

There is no need to correct what I wrote, simply because they don't consider Judaism as a religion, but also a nationality.

they are not atheist jews, but israelite.

atheist jews is an oxymoron.
its like, saying atheist christian, dosnt make any sense.

now, if you meant atheist israelite, that implies that the bold of the suffering is made by atheist, and if its the case i need a proof of that, last time i checked, most of the israeli governement where at some extent from jewish faith.

so, what you really meant was, israelite, right?

[Palestine]

they are not atheist jews, but israelite.

atheist jews is an oxymoron.
its like, saying atheist christian, dosnt make any sense.

now, if you meant atheist israelite, that implies that the bold of the suffering is made by atheist, and if its the case i need a proof of that, last time i checked, most of the israeli governement where at some extent from jewish faith.

so, what you really meant was, israelite, right?

Well that's what I mean but this is not what they consider it, they consider Judaism irrelevant to faith, to them this is a nationality. Its weird I know took me quite some time to understand it myself.

[vampire squid]

zionism is, by definition, jewish nationalism. it is not a religious movement.

[4 Leaf Clover]

zionism is, by definition, jewish nationalism. it is not a religious movement.
zionism actually makes a jew a nation , even if jew is not nation , its a relligion , while israeli is nation

[Agnapostate]

Jews are an ethnoreligious group. They're characterized by some common genetic ancestry from the Hebrews, but the diaspora meant that different groups of Jews acquired different racial admixture, which accounts for the dramatically different phenotypes among people who call themselves Jews. Ashkenazi Jews became admixed with the ethnic populations of Europe, which is why they are light-skinned. Mizrahi Jews became admixed with other Middle Eastern and North African Arab populations, which is why they are darker skinned. Ironically, since Israel is characterized by an informal racial hierarchy that elevates Ashkenazim above Mizrahim, it's essentially a white supremacist state, and an anti-Semitic one at that, since Mizrahim possess higher proportions of actual Semitic admixture.

[Kléber]

Israeli is not the nationality i know that, they consider it a Jewish state, this means I as an Arab citizen in Israel is not included. This why its a racist state in the first place. Its for Jews only.
Of course, but I wasn't aware that the oppression of Arabs is why hardcore Zionists consider Israel illegal according to Jewish law; they would prefer the Israeli state to be a theocratic regime without secular pretenses. First you said Israel is not Jewish because it is run by "atheistic" Jews, now you say it's a Jewish state.

My point was that only a small handful of people can be considered truly orthodox followers of any religion, and even their claim to represent the pure faith is dubious, since the actual teachings of the founders of all major religions have been falsified and distorted by state bureaucrats over many centuries to serve their temporal interests.

[danyboy27]

Well that's what I mean but this is not what they consider it, they consider Judaism irrelevant to faith, to them this is a nationality. Its weird I know took me quite some time to understand it myself.

i dont think they consider judaism irrelevelant to faith, just like many christian donst completly fallow what christianism is, many israeli will do a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

and overall, zionism is a form of israeli nationalism, just like in america, a lot of far right group consider themselves nationalist, and there are liberal who also consider themselves nationalism, same goes for canada has well.

so, in that sense, zionism is not the only form of israeli nationalism, but its the most extreme.

[Lulznet]

Another reason not to support Islamic thoughts. :bored:

[GreenCommunism]

according to certain laws that orthodox follows, a person is jewish even if he renounce his faith if his mother was jewish. reform judaism think both parent are important in defining who is a jew and if a jew renounce his faith he is no longer a jew. this is why there is alot of confusion about this religion.

the reason i said those people are unislamic is that the qu'ran never states that you must execute all homosexuals or all of those who commit apostasy, though it is said to be wrong. and muhammed seldom does.

[howblackisyourflag]

Maybe they were killed for using vuvuzelas?

[Slavoj Zizzle]

You know the saying "I despise what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it"? The same concept applies as a litmus test to anti-imperialists and "leftists". It's easy to be anti-imperialist when a marxist-leninist people's movement is the one being invaded/oppressed. It's when an oppressive, theocratic regime emerges that we see who is the real anti-imperialist and who is a bourgeois white poser. All of these regimes emerge as a result of U.S. imperialism anyway, another fact lost on so called "leftists", but what people don't seem to understand is that things take time. I personally believe this is a new phenomenon because activism has become so decentralized there is no one to provide young people with older or non-white perspective. Post-colonial states are not magically going to become communist paradises, especially since the U.S. makes sure this doesn't happen. The choice is U.S. puppet state or islamic theocracy in the middle east, and hopefully with enough time and the collapse of the U.S. empire real leftism will emerge.

Basically if you don't support islamic theocracies in the Middle East and think western "human rights" are superior go sign up for the army and hopefully get shot by a jihadi freedom fighter.

[GreenCommunism]

i don't know if we should support both killing each other or should we defend the opposite side if we are living in the west and defend the west if we live in the middle east?

by the way the middle east doesn't include afghanistan or iran, i don't know what term would be appropriate for this region.

[Agnapostate]

The Far East, though I'd thought that Iran was in the Middle East.

[Saorsa]

Basically if you don't support islamic theocracies in the Middle East and think western "human rights" are superior go sign up for the army and hopefully get shot by a jihadi freedom fighter.

I can oppose islamic theocracies and oppose imperialism at the same time. I don't have to enthusiastically support throwing acid in women's faces just because I don't enthusiastically support the US marines.

[GreenCommunism]

I can oppose islamic theocracies and oppose imperialism at the same time. I don't have to enthusiastically support throwing acid in women's faces just because I don't enthusiastically support the US marines.
yes you can but you shouldn't help the imperialist make their case against islamic theocracie, i don't remember much protest against throwing acid in woman's face back then.

[Chambered Word]

Basically if you don't support islamic theocracies in the Middle East and think western "human rights" are superior go sign up for the army and hopefully get shot by a jihadi freedom fighter.

Spoken like a true Marxist, good work comrade! :thumbup1:

So what does your ideal communist society look like? Will we be dictated to by a clique of religious leaders who will tell us how to behave?

[Hiero]

Wow, there seems to be alot of confusion.

For one there is no such thing as "races", but saying that "you are not a Jew, but a human who can choose to be religious or non-religous and thus Jewish or non Jewish" is socially inept. Would anyone say that as a way to aviod anti-semitism?

There is a considerable amount of structural forces that make people recgonise race, such as structural racism that creates "apartheid" putting people into different socio-economic groups and this is futher visible in ghettos and surburbs for instance.

There is is also just being or doing a race or ethnicity. This is where certian Jews may claim to be atheistic. They are born and raised in a "Jewish" house, followed "Jewish" traditions, ate "Jewish" food, speak a "Jewish" language (Hebrew, have Jewish partners and are recognised by a "Jewish" community. If they say they are not Jewish, Western societies is inherently anti-semetic as it is racist and pushes them back to Jewish identiy. The anti-semetism of Europe consolidated the Jew as foreign to the host nation-state and an obstatcle to national unity.

There is a Judaism, which is the religion of the Jews. There is Israel and Israelites, which is the racist settler nation-state and nationality respectively, with an ethnically pure mentality of a pure Jewish state. And then there is the Jew, a social being who can exist in multiple conidtions and existances. So there can be a Chomsky and there can be a Ben-Gurion.

Ofcourse all these things are "imaginary" but the "imaginary" is very powerfull when it is back up in the materiality of the world (real existing structures like capitalism and imperialism). It is going to be a long time for the racial-ethnic-national imaginary to change or disolve and this is dependent on the material changing.

Check out Anti-semite and Jew by Sartre. It reveals alot about Jewish identity.

[Hiero]

On the point about the aritcle. It is highly confusing of the situation in Somolia and reeks of poor jounalism.

"Islamic Fundementalis" that implies some coherency, which isn't true of Somolia which is a territory of Somolian people that lacks coherent sovereignty. It was one group called the Hezbal Islam which apparantly prohibited the viewing of the World Cup.

Secondly, I am not totaly convinced that the ICU banned the viewing of the World Cup in 2006. I remember when the ICU had considerable amount of power news reporters were asking residents what they thought of the ICU and they said they were worried about the ICU imposing a ban on all TV. However this news report claimed that the ICU had no such policy and implied that in Somali life nothing had changed except a bit of stability. I can't source the article as it was back in 2006 and I am going off a hunch.

By the way, alot of you a considerably stupid to believe everything a journalist says. It could be absoutly true, but we should always aproach the news with critiques, not as absolute fact.

[Slavoj Zizzle]

Spoken like a true Marxist, good work comrade! :thumbup1:

So what does your ideal communist society look like? Will we be dictated to by a clique of religious leaders who will tell us how to behave?

Obviously Islamic theocracies would have to go, but as of now they are the most effective counter to U.S. imperialism in the world. Leftists in the west are way too idealistic and western-centric. The only way people's movements can form in the middle east/africa is if the United States is kicked out, and the only ones who are doing anything towards that are jihadi movements. At this stage in world history, when U.S. hegemony is completely unchallenged, destroying the American empire is maybe the most important goal for any leftist.

Here's a little summary for you:

-9/11 was a good thing
-Osama bin Laden is actually much more reasonable than he is portrayed by the propaganda of the U.S. media
-Western "human rights" are a joke
-The British empire was the worst thing in history, followed by the American empire
-Everything the U.S. media tells you is propaganda, whether it be about the middle east, North Korea, or the U.S. itself

I think I've covered everything an anti-imperialist should know, tell me if I missed anything guys.

[Agnapostate]

The connection between Islamic theocracy and guerrilla terrorism is usually drawn by neoconservatives, so it's interesting to see it made here. Guerrilla terrorism is motivated by political sympathy with Palestinian communities and other perceptions of oppression caused by U.S. governmental imperialism more than anything else. There are pan-Arab affinities there, which is why Indonesia has not been a hotbed of guerrilla terrorism despite being the most populous Muslim country in the world. I don't see how Islamic theocracy is somehow tied up in that, considering the close relationship between the U.S. and Saudi governments and the violent opposition of OBL to both.