If Neo-Nazis were forced to provide non-partisan sources, would they still exist?

[Adi Shankara]

That is, after seeing how full of shit most of their arguments are? the following is an example of their "logic" that they use, to hopefully disuade "antis" from the left into joining their fold

I have a troll account on a certain White Nationalist forum I don't know that I'm allowed to bring up, but it's the biggest collection of Neo Nazi boneheads on the internet.

my user name is ThomasSankara. look at all my posts in the "opposing views" section (even though they never allow opposing views) in a thread I created called "there is no correlation between race and crime" and you'll see their arguments.
Recently, I pointed out that Glasgow has a higher crime rate than the blackest city in the UK, and that they're 97.99% white, and they replied with:

from user Fife: "Glasgow is a very black city by Scotland's standards. Most are less than one percent black." (NO SOURCE!!!!)

Blind, ape-like rage, from user "Soldatul Vostru: "California is now the dumbest state. Tommie The Commie must be so proud. [Look at his location:"San Francisco for now, People's Republic of California in the future"].

This strawman, from "WhiteCanadianPatriot": "There is simply no reasonable explaination for the situation in South Afrika outside of the obvious.

These places are crime ridden and poor because the people there are only capable of creating a place like that.

The blacks were given a first world nation in SA then proceeded to rapidly turn it into a third world cess pit." (HE USES JEWWATCH AS A SOURCE!!! :laugh::laugh:)
Not only that, but South Africa has grown more under the post-apartheid government more than it ever did under minority dictatorship. I provided sources to prove this, he responded with:

"You obviously have your head up your back side when it comes to the situation in SA.

There is no stable democracy in a place where the powers that be are confiscating farms from people based on racial reasons.

There wouldn't be white Afrikaaner resistance groups if the country had a stable democracy.

SA receives aid from foreign countries.

Countries that receive aid do not have thriving economies.

The blacks would not be admitting that life was better under white rule if the things you say were true." (notice again: NO FACTS, NO BASIS IN REALITY, MADE UP "FACTS" ON THE GO)

so take away a Neo Nazi bonehead's ability to create on the spot "facts" and the ability for ad hominem attacks, and what kind've argument are they left with?

[Adi Shankara]

I made WhiteCanadianPatriot (LOL) cry like a ***** so much, just by posting facts and not tolerating ad hominem attacks and his pathetic excuse for a source (like most seem to, for some reason--note: THEY HATE IT when you call them on their "sources") he later ended with this:


"The fact that this retarded anal bead is still posting here is a perfect example as to why I'm not a sustaining member."

LOL, job well done my fellow Leftist brothers and sisters!

[Raúl Duke]

I have a feeling that all of fash are just boneheads like described above although...

some of our members have down similar things (i.e. use no evidence and disregard opposing evidence/source).

[tbasherizer]

That's not really even a question, my comrade! Nazism is the most animal belief because it associates different colour(or accent, or face shape, etc.) with enmity. It goes no further than that ideologically. All constructions of fascist beliefs ("Volkische" ideology, etc.) are merely elaborations on this basic racism. Fascists will always use fudged statistics or none at all, not because they want to give a good intellectual argument, but because they want to assure themselves that their knee-jerk reaction is correct. Fascism is a mental poison!

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I've never heard anyone use anal bead as an insult before.

lol Nazis

[28350]

Let's infiltrate this white nationalist forum which may or may not be a meteorological façade, become high-ranking members, then out ourselves as well as real members as Jews.

Also, although interracial pornography is very racist and often (as is the case with porn) sexist, is it still fair to use to troll our buddies over at said forum?

[Fife]

Hi Thomas Sankara,

If you ever want a source from me, all you have to do is ask. By default I do not cite common knowledge, but I am more than happy to do so if asked to.

From scotland.com/natural-features/demographics/ (I can't post links)



Despite the fact that Scotland is seen as being a strongly European country, it has a surprising diversity of ethnic groups. White Scottish people make up the largest portion of the population at 88.09%. Following them, it is White British (7.38%), other Whites (1.54%), White Irish (0.98%), Pakistani (0.63%), Chinese (0.32%), Indian (0.30%), Mixed (0.25%), other South Asian (0.12%), African (0.10%), Bangladeshi (0.04%), Caribbean (0.04%) and Black Scottish or other Black (0.02%).
Yours truly,
The Neo-Nazi

[#FF0000]

Hi Thomas Sankara,

If you ever want a source from me, all you have to do is ask. By default I do not cite common knowledge, but I am more than happy to do so if asked to.

From scotland.com (I can't post links)

Yours truly,
The Neo-Nazi

So?

[Sam_b]

There is such a thing as a non-partisan source?

[#FF0000]

Well that was boring. Didn't even answer my question. Nazi status: Banned

[RadioRaheem84]

Nazism to me is the weirdest cult ideology ever created. Even fascists thought of it as a weird variant. I've read that Mussolini and Franco thought of Hitler as sort of nutty. When I talked to modern days fascists, they are quick to denounce Nazism and consider it a detriment to the fascist movement, as if they're any better. :lol:

[GreenCommunism]

i hate how anarchist and left-communist do the same with the word communism. i had someone who was a so called socialist who wouldn't listen that communism =/= stalinism.

seriously this is all such bullshit. fascist are just as murderous as nazis. inferior culture or inferior sounds like the same to me.

[Raúl Duke]

left-communist do the same with the word communism

umm...do what?

left-communists and anarchists, particularly anarcho-communists, do not see communism = stalinism. Especially not left-communists...

[tbasherizer]

Now, let's not get away from the topic at hand, comrades! Fife cited that some people of colour or "non-European origin", as the BNP would put it, do exist in Scotland. What fascists always fail to do is describe the supposedly causal relationship between the existance of any non-white people in a population and its crime rate. What I'm surprised they don't do more often is cite Kingston, Jamaica's high crime rate and close to 100% black population. However, no matter how "black" a city is, there is some serious explanation that has to be done to describe why the crime rate is what it is. Unfortunately for them, they have the primal assumption that black = bad and that it is obvious to everyone else, and so don't bother explaining why they make the link between blackness and crime rate.

[GreenCommunism]

umm...do what?

left-communists and anarchists, particularly anarcho-communists, do not see communism = stalinism. Especially not left-communists...
sorry, i guess not all of them. i met one who could be described as a left-communist because he was opposed to lenin. and he basicly shit on me for 30 minutes because i am member of the communist party of quebec. i'm still not sure he is a marxist but he does seem to say it is positive but bolshevik's ruined it all.

[Adi Shankara]

umm...do what?

left-communists and anarchists, particularly anarcho-communists, do not see communism = stalinism. Especially not left-communists...


Very few communists see Stalinism as communism, except if you're a Stalinist :D but in all seriousness, most Anarcho-Communists are heavily influenced by African, German, and Latin American leaders (like Che Guevara, Subcommadante Marcos, Rosa Luxemburg, and Thomas Sankara) than by Stalin. in fact, Stalinism is almost the opposite of anarcho-communism in the left spectre, some people even call it "Red Fascism", though I wouldn't go that far.

[Adi Shankara]

Now, let's not get away from the topic at hand, comrades! Fife cited that some people of colour or "non-European origin", as the BNP would put it, do exist in Scotland. What fascists always fail to do is describe the supposedly causal relationship between the existance of any non-white people in a population and its crime rate. What I'm surprised they don't do more often is cite Kingston, Jamaica's high crime rate and close to 100% black population. However, no matter how "black" a city is, there is some serious explanation that has to be done to describe why the crime rate is what it is. Unfortunately for them, they have the primal assumption that black = bad and that it is obvious to everyone else, and so don't bother explaining why they make the link between blackness and crime rate.

Yet, they don't explain why Mali, Senegal, and Rwanda are so safe these days...shouldn't they be criminal hellholes if they are black republics?

Also, ask them why crime in Eastern Europe is so much higher than the world average, and they'll come up with a bevy of excuses--alcoholism, racial tension, etc. truth is, Russia just has a ridiculous amount of crime is all.

[Adi Shankara]

Hi Thomas Sankara,

If you ever want a source from me, all you have to do is ask. By default I do not cite common knowledge, but I am more than happy to do so if asked to.

From scotland.com/natural-features/demographics/ (I can't post links)

Yours truly,
The Neo-Nazi

those percentages are so minutely low, I don't even know if you passed 2nd grade math.

[Chambered Word]

...and this is why I think we shouldn't support free speech for these halfwits.

[Raurast]

those percentages are so minutely low, I don't even know if you passed 2nd grade math.

Yes, they are extremely small. That's the point, silly.

[Catillina]

Is it fun to prank on these forums?
I looked at a forum right now, and it seemed relativly big, but full of morons.

[Adi Shankara]

Is it fun to prank on these forums?
I looked at a forum right now, and it seemed relativly big, but full of morons.

A guys signature was even: "Deus lo vult. God wills it." That's hard to pull of, such a mistake^^

They're just really stupid--they love to brag about their numbers, but what they dont' realize, is that easily 80% of their forum population consists of trolls and antis (like me) and those who just like to laugh at them, because controversy attracts attention more than a level headed argument does.


Afterall: if they weren't just one big trollfest, why would they have to moderate even the Opposing Views section?

[tbasherizer]

Yet, they don't explain why Mali, Senegal, and Rwanda are so safe these days...shouldn't they be criminal hellholes if they are black republics?

Also, ask them why crime in Eastern Europe is so much higher than the world average, and they'll come up with a bevy of excuses--alcoholism, racial tension, etc. truth is, Russia just has a ridiculous amount of crime is all.


Oh of course, I'm in no way sharing their racism; there are only more obvious examples they could use besides Scotland for the black=criminal fallacy. Of course, race has no inherent bearing on crime rates. Hate crimes against people of different ethnicities might come up during an influx of immigrants or other such things, but these do not stem from differences in the constitutions of different races. Fascist claims to the contrary never use sound science as backing.

[Adi Shankara]

Oh of course, I'm in no way sharing their racism; there are only more obvious examples they could use besides Scotland for the black=criminal fallacy. Of course, race has no inherent bearing on crime rates. Hate crimes against people of different ethnicities might come up during an influx of immigrants or other such things, but these do not stem from differences in the constitutions of different races. Fascist claims to the contrary never use sound science as backing.


I think that's what is so irritating to me about them--they accept as fact, commonly disregarded ideas, such as the fact that jews aren't white (they're white), that everything is a jewish trap, and that blacks always want white women (they never consider that maybe white women want blacks? :rolleyes:)

Truth is, if our race is so great, why are we always (supposedly) getting "Tricked by jews", "getting brainwashed by the liberal media", and "being forced into slavery by black genocidalists" all the time? you think we'd learn? lol

oh, and their sources are hilarious. one idiot on this particular topic I started:

http://www.***************/forum/t712895-26/

has (since removed) offered me proof of his "facts" in the form of his source, jewwatch.blogspot.org!! :lol::laugh: seriously, you think there must be a measuring standard somewhere saying "you must have an IQ below this amount to become a racial nationalist (ironic, considering whites have no nation, and when we do, we just kill each other a whole bunch)!"

[ErnestoCheG]

You mean this guy?


He took his defeat here in post #28
Correlation between race and crime: PROVEN!

If 2 of the most violent countries in Eastern Europe have higher murder rates (Tommies benchmark) than the 2 most peaceful in West Africa, it is of no consequence, since on average, Eastern Europe has a murder rate 4 times lower than Southern Africa, and is around 60% lower than that of East, Central and West Africa, or to put it another way, East, Central and West Africa, have a murder rate 2 and a half times than that of Eastern Europe!

Also his constant reference to the city, Glasgow as a form of evidence is of little value, since he discounts international avereges which provide the broader picture.

In the US, a study on The Color of Crime correlates with international averages. This link was sent to him but was also one of those that were ignored.
That correlation in itself speaks volumes!

In fact, anything past post #28, is just an attempt to divert attention away from the proven fact that sealed his fate there!

His claim that international averages "miss the bigger picture", while his figures regarding a city, in this case Glasgow, are supposedly the "bigger picture", hold no water, I'm sorry, in fact it is just plain ridiculous! :mad:

If one took it a step further, could one claim a study of a suburb, or even an apartment block, could provide evidence against an international or national study?
Please, no-one can be that stupid!

Both statistics regarding international averages as well as a case study in the US, show similar statistics, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is in fact a strong correlation between race and crime!
A correlation like that between the two studies speaks volumes!

Also his constant ignoring and failure to reply on many occasions to those that supply evidence of international statistics, as well as evidence in large countries, and the fact that he choose to keep answering only to parts of peoples posts that have absolutely no relevance to this thread, though facts within those same posts were ignored, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is simply trying to divert attention away from the subject of a debate that he knows he has lost over 200 post earlier!

As for his boasting on WhatsLeft.com, well he and the rest of the puppets know full well that it is a lie! They may well be able to fool themselves, but they aren't fooling anybody else!

As they say,
"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time"

[ErnestoCheG]

I'm confused, which guy on that link used Jewwatch.org?
I can't find it, sorry.:blushing:

[Adi Shankara]

I'm confused, which guy on that link used Jewwatch.org?
I can't find it, sorry.:blushing:

LOL YOU GUYS STARTED A THREAD?!?! JUST FOR ME? YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE!!! LOL http://www.***************/forum/t718138/

deleted; and see, that's how I know you know what it was: it wasn't a blogspot, I was just saying that to depricate you, but the fact you know it wasn't one is proof that you did post it, but deleted since then. lol how rich!

saw the thread you guys started about me; amusing, to say the least! I also love making your name "ErnestoCheG" in an attempt to make it look like you aren't a bigoted white nationalist piece of shit--also, you didn't mention the fact that I pointed out countries in Africa (with a population total of 380,000,000, roughly half of Europe's size) are safer than white nations Lithuania, Russia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, etc. per capita.

you didn't respond to that. I said crime in the USA is high. I never denied that. but I said there was a historical context for this. afterall...Brampton in Ontario has a black population between 13-16% (since blacks have admittingly been undercounted in Canadian census's) and the crime rate is but a fraction of the average US city. explain that away why don't you?

also, look at "my post 28"; it isn't even my post :p I immediately responded saying that you use an average like that, it doesn't take into account the whole context; thus I looked at individual countries, and surprise surprise, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Belarus were more dangerous per capita than almost all of Africa save for South Africa and Zimbabwe.

[Adi Shankara]

His claim that international averages "miss the bigger picture", while his figures regarding a city, in this case Glasgow, are supposedly the "bigger picture", hold no water, I'm sorry, in fact it is just plain ridiculous! :mad:

why doesn't it? you love to say how bad Detroit is compared to a 'white" city...so why is the most dangerous city in the UK 98% white? why is the most dangerous neighborhood in London about as bad as the average place in Glasgow?


If one took it a step further, could one claim a study of a suburb, or even an apartment block, could provide evidence against an international or national study?
Please, no-one can be that stupid!

Again I never disregarded national studies...in fact, that's kind've what I used to nail my point home into your peabrain that Russia, Latvia, etc. are more dangerous than almost all of Africa; when you look at a regional context, nations greatly inflate the rest of the regional crime rates; for example, liberia has an enormous rate of crime; Ghana does not. yet Ghana is to be seen as dangerous because of crime in Liberia? hence, the typical WN stupidity comes into play.


Both statistics regarding international averages as well as a case study in the US, show similar statistics, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is in fact a strong correlation between race and crime!
A correlation like that between the two studies speaks volumes!'

they really don't, unless you're ready to admit that Russians, Scottish people, Latvians, Lithuanians, and Ukranians are violent by race.

[ErnestoCheG]

I Googled it, it's Jewwatch.com not .org




it wasn't a blogspot, I was just saying that to depricate you,

Okay, so you lied! Not the first time!

-also, you didn't mention the fact that I pointed out countries in Africa (with a population total of 380,000,000, roughly half of Europe's size) are safer than white nations Lithuania, Russia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, etc. per capita.

you didn't respond to that.

*Sigh* I responded in post#238 (Go look!)

It tells me that 750 000 000 African's don't live in safer nations than whites !
Only there you said it was 242 000 000. I see, surprise, its gone up now!:rolleyes:
There are around 1 billion people in Africa! (Link in post #238)
242 million out of a billion? You are focusing on the exception to the rule, whilst ignoring the rule!
It seem you didn't respond to that, yet you accuse me?

I said crime in the USA is high. I never denied that. but I said there was a historical context for this. afterall...Brampton in Ontario has a black population between 13-16% (since blacks have admittingly been undercounted in Canadian census's) and the crime rate is but a fraction of the average US city. explain that away why don't you?

Exception to the rule! The rule states otherwise.
You're expecting to sell off the "exception to the rule" off as the rule!

also, look at "my post 28"; it isn't even my post :p

I know, of course it isn't! It gives statistics as to the rule, not the exeception!

I immediately responded saying that you use an average like that, it doesn't take into account the whole context; thus I looked at individual countries, and surprise surprise, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Belarus were more dangerous per capita than almost all of Africa save for South Africa and Zimbabwe.

True, but the response was irrelevant, since again you are expecting people to buy into the exception to the rule, while the rule states otherwise!
In other words, while you are cherry-picking countries, the fact remains that there are more dangerous countries in Africa, and more safe countries in Europe! Otherwise Southern Africa wouldn't have a murder rate 4 times that of Eastern Europe, nor would East, West and Central Africa each have 250% of the murders of Eastern Europe, or 12 times that of Western Europe!
Thus population as a whole in Africa , is more violent, you cannot change that!

[Broletariat]

Hey bro I know you like this whole "exception to the rule" thing and stuff, but you do understand that all truths are universal right? like 2+2=4? a^2+b^2=c^2 There are no exceptions to these rules. Y'know why? Because they're true.

[ErnestoCheG]

Hey bro I know you like this whole "exception to the rule" thing and stuff, but you do understand that all truths are universal right? like 2+2=4? a^2+b^2=c^2 There are no exceptions to these rules. Y'know why? Because they're true.

Hey dude this isn't maths!
Exceptions to the rule exist all around us with regard other subjects!

Like "I" before "E" except after "C"!

But anyway, I'm not here to talk about maths or spelling!
Good-bye!

[Dimentio]

If people who have a random skin colour - lets say green - would have higher statistical likelihood to commit crime they should anyway not be said to be more prone to crime.

1~ Crime patterns could vary over extended periods of time.

2~ Crime patterns are often caused by a life in squalor and mostly affecting others living in squalor.

3~ Not even if 999 of 1000 greens were serial criminals would it say anything about greens, but only about the individuals committing the crimes.

4~ Forget about greens. If Africans are so prone on violence, how come Ghana is so calm?

[ErnestoCheG]

Okay.

why doesn't it? you love to say how bad Detroit is compared to a 'white" city...so why is the most dangerous city in the UK 98% white? why is the most dangerous neighborhood in London about as bad as the average place in Glasgow?

Well, Glasgow may be high for the UK, considering that the UK has a very low murder rate! Yet Glasgow only has a murder rate of 5.87 per 100 000 people, or 58,7 per million! (according to freerepublic dot com, google it!)
The world average alone according to post #28 is 7.6 per 100 000, or 76 per million!
Hence the most violent city in Britain, is less violent than the world average, yet you keep trying to use that as an example of how violent whites are!




Again I never disregarded national studies...in fact, that's kind've what I used to nail my point home into your peabrain that Russia, Latvia, etc. are more dangerous than almost all of Africa;



That is the same me saying, Columbia, South Africa, Jamaica, and Venezuela are each more dangerous than the whole of Europe, and I don't need to say almost! (Nationmaster dot com)
More violent than Russia, Latvia, Belarus, Lithuania etc. etc.

You see now how cherry-picking works?
It doesn't, the averages, hence the overall stats speak!



when you look at a regional context, nations greatly inflate the rest of the regional crime rates; for example, liberia has an enormous rate of crime; Ghana does not. yet Ghana is to be seen as dangerous because of crime in Liberia? hence, the typical WN stupidity comes into play.


Then by your logic, those nations like Russia, and Latvia should drive up Eastern Europe's regional crime rates, yet the do not have the same effect as in Africa, or other non-white nations!
Also, I need murder stats for Ghana please!




they really don't, unless you're ready to admit that Russians, Scottish people, Latvians, Lithuanians, and Ukranians are violent by race.

Those aren't races, they are nationalities!

[Dimentio]

I have good lust to just write a thread titled "Stormfront" where the only content would be "test" just to see how many stormfronters it would draw here.

[ErnestoCheG]

I have good lust to just write a thread titled "Stormfront" where the only content would be "test" just to see how many stormfronters it would draw here.
Sounds like you want rid of me!:laugh:

[ErnestoCheG]

I have good lust to just write a thread titled "Stormfront" where the only content would be "test" just to see how many stormfronters it would draw here.

Besides, you already have quite a few threads with the title "Stormfront" in them:

Stormfront is for delusional, idiotics, fascist pricks

Stormfront - biseri i bizarnosti

Raid Stormfront (I like this one)

Stormfront Admittedly Anti-Racist

[Thirsty Crow]

Besides, you already have quite a few threads with the title "Stormfront" in them:

Stormfront is for delusional, idiotics, fascist pricks

Stormfront - biseri i bizarnosti

Raid Stormfront (I like this one)

Stormfront Admittedly Anti-Racist
I like the second one.

[ErnestoCheG]

:bored:

If people who have a random skin colour - lets say green - would have higher statistical likelihood to commit crime they should anyway not be said to be more prone to crime.

1~ Crime patterns could vary over extended periods of time.

How much?

2~ Crime patterns are often caused by a life in squalor and mostly affecting others living in squalor.

Is this the cause for the correlation?
Not genetics?
Not culture?

3~ Not even if 999 of 1000 greens were serial criminals would it say anything about greens, but only about the individuals committing the crimes.

That could then be applied to anything! So there would be no average height, only individual heights, no average size potato, just individual potatoes of different sizes, in fact using you logic, averages don't exist at all!
Thats funny!
I just Googled it and came up with 388 000 000 results!
Wikipedia describes it as:


an average, central tendency of a data set is a measure of the "middle" or "expected" value of the data set.

It may be an abstract concept, but surely you can grasp it?

4~ Forget about greens. If Africans are so prone on violence, how come Ghana is so calm?

I'm not so sure if Ghana is calm!
Why are West, Central, East, and Southern Africa not peaceful?
If it is "just individual nations pushing up the averages" as Tommie says, then why do all these African regions have that in common, yet Europe doesn't, despite all the "massively violent nations" that Tommie mentions in Eastern Europe?

[ErnestoCheG]

I like the second one.

Congratulations!!

[Thirsty Crow]

I suggest you rather congratulate yourself for being a part of a kick-ass comedian group :thumbup1:

[Broletariat]

I saw this posted in another thread and found it to be relevant

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/correlation.png

[ErnestoCheG]

I suggest you rather congratulate yourself for being a part of a kick-ass comedian group :thumbup1:
Well, thankyou for the warm welcome and making me feel like part of the group! ;)

[ErnestoCheG]

I saw this posted in another thread and found it to be relevant



WELL DONE!!!:rolleyes:

[ErnestoCheG]

I saw this posted in another thread and found it to be relevant


I'm sending you a medal!
Its in the mail!;)

[Broletariat]

I'm sending you a medal!
Its in the mail!;)
What kind of material is it made out of, I only accept the superior white gold variety:laugh:

[ErnestoCheG]

Is it fun to prank on these forums?
I looked at a forum right now, and it seemed relativly big, but full of morons.
Yes, its great fun!

[Catillina]

Say Ernesto, why do you think the black people are more violent than others? Is it because it's in their Gens? Is it the 24 chromosome, an extra-black chromosome which withholds this trubblesome element? For me, white men are more violent than any others, they do it grand-scale style.

[Wolf Larson]

That's not really even a question, my comrade! Nazism is the most animal belief because it associates different colour(or accent, or face shape, etc.) with enmity. It goes no further than that ideologically. All constructions of fascist beliefs ("Volkische" ideology, etc.) are merely elaborations on this basic racism. Fascists will always use fudged statistics or none at all, not because they want to give a good intellectual argument, but because they want to assure themselves that their knee-jerk reaction is correct. Fascism is a mental poison!

The NAZI sickness was A mental poison born in the American Eugenics movement. Now and days it's just a mixture of angry and ignorant poor white trash looking for scapegoats. I'd say the real modern threat is the capitalist state. Nazi's are pathetic.

[ErnestoCheG]

Say Ernesto, why do you think the black people are more violent than others? Is it because it's in their Gens? Is it the 24 chromosome, an extra-black chromosome which withholds this trubblesome element? For me, white men are more violent than any others, they do it grand-scale style. Hold on just a second, I thought there was no correlation between race and crime............
Oh, and it's "troublesome":rolleyes:

[Catillina]

Hold on just a second, I thought there was no correlation between race and crime............
Oh, and it's "troublesome":rolleyes:

Where do I pretend a coherence between both? It's not that I say that white men are as aggressive as black, asians, martians, that I link it to their race, it's rather a respond to your connection!

But you missed to answer the question ;) what's the reason for you to think that black men are more violent than whites

[#FF0000]

Hold on just a second, I thought there was no correlation between race and crime............
Oh, and it's "troublesome":rolleyes:

You know there is a correlation between poverty and squalor and crime.

Also race is 100% a social construct!

How does this make you feel?

[Dimentio]

There is certainly a difference between being of a median height and being a member of a group where the median member for example is wearing a hat. Being of a certain height is not something an individual could affect, except maybe by playing basket in their youth :lol:, while wearing a hat is a behaviour. If wearing a hat was a crime, and Stella, John and Ewan belonged to the same randomly chosen group which is sharing some common traits, and John and Ewan have been caught wearing hats whereas Stella haven't worn a hat, should Stella be punished as well?

*purrs*

[Adi Shankara]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Sankara http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1782626#post1782626)

it wasn't a blogspot, I was just saying that to depricate you,


Okay, so you lied! Not the first time!

so? I admitted to it. I don't live in delusion, and yes, the first time.


Only there you said it was 242 000 000. I see, surprise, its gone up now!:rolleyes:
There are around 1 billion people in Africa! (Link in post #238)
242 million out of a billion? You are focusing on the exception to the rule, whilst ignoring the rule!
It seem you didn't respond to that, yet you accuse me?

no. You say that black crime is genetic. if it was genetic, then ALL black nations should be dangerous, along similar margins. why is it that some black nations are really safe, but others are really dangerous? shouldn't they just be all dangerous, since they are all black? but this is what you ignore. why? because you have no decent response.




Exception to the rule! The rule states otherwise.
You're expecting to sell off the "exception to the rule" off as the rule!

it's not an exception to the rule...so far, the only exceptions to the rule seem to be places where race and poverty don't correlate on the same level as South Africa and the United States (like Canada)...coincidence? :rolleyes:

The rule isn't the rule at all; it's just an average; it's like if you get a class with 10 people, each one has a 99% test score, and one person has a test score of 5%. the other 9 kids now look dumber because of that one kid. so that's why it's only fair to pick apart individual countries, and why lumping groups together is misleading. I don't think you understand how stats work though :( need help, high schooler? I can recommend you some good math websites.


I know, of course it isn't! It gives statistics as to the rule, not the exeception!

I answered that pathetic attempt. it was half-assed at best.

I immediately responded saying that you use an average like that, it doesn't take into account the whole context; thus I looked at individual countries, and surprise surprise, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Belarus were more dangerous per capita than almost all of Africa save for South Africa and Zimbabwe.


True, but the response was irrelevant, since again you are expecting people to buy into the exception to the rule, while the rule states otherwise!
In other words, while you are cherry-picking countries, the fact remains that there are more dangerous countries in Africa, and more safe countries in Europe! Otherwise Southern Africa wouldn't have a murder rate 4 times that of Eastern Europe, nor would East, West and Central Africa each have 250% of the murders of Eastern Europe, or 12 times that of Western Europe!
Thus population as a whole in Africa , is more violent, you cannot change that!

East, West, and Central Africa have higher murder rates because of a few problem countries...I explained this, and any statician will tell you that's the problem with lumping groups together; yet answer me this: Liberia has one of the highest murder rates on earth; Senegal has one of the lowest; they're both in West Africa; why is Senegal so safe, and Liberia so dangerous? according to you, shouldn't they both be dangerous because they are both black?

[ErnestoCheG]

:D

Where do I pretend a coherence between both?
When you said:
"For me, white men are more violent than any others, they do it grand-scale style."

Your own words sweetie, not mine!;)


It's not that I say that white men are as aggressive as black, asians, martians, that I link it to their race, it's rather a respond to your connection!

But you missed to answer the question ;) what's the reason for you to think that black men are more violent than whites


I'd say culture would be a good start! (Though thats not all)
Google "muti-murders"
Google "baby rape to cure AIDS"

It shouldn't be too much "trubble".

[ErnestoCheG]

You know there is a correlation between poverty and squalor and crime.

I know there is a correlation between race and squalor!
The PDF document "TheColorOfCrime", a study on the correlation between povery and crime would disagree with you though!


Also race is 100% a social construct!
How does this make you feel?

It makes me feel like I'm talking to someone that thinks race is all about skin color!

[Adi Shankara]

I know there is a correlation between race and squalor!
The PDF document "TheColorOfCrime", a study on the correlation between povery and crime would disagree with you though!

"The Color of Crime"...wow, that doesn't sound like a study that isn't inflicted with a severe case of bias and objective viewpoints :rolleyes: :laugh:

[ErnestoCheG]

There is certainly a difference between being of a median height and being a member of a group where the median member for example is wearing a hat. Being of a certain height is not something an individual could affect, except maybe by playing basket in their youth :lol:, while wearing a hat is a behaviour. If wearing a hat was a crime, and Stella, John and Ewan belonged to the same randomly chosen group which is sharing some common traits, and John and Ewan have been caught wearing hats whereas Stella haven't worn a hat, should Stella be punished as well?

*purrs*
No, Stella would not be punished, but we would understand from which group the crime comes from.

Punishing Slettla would not be fair!

Now, why should I be punished for history, did I commit a crime by being born white in Africa?

[Adi Shankara]

No, Stella would not be punished, but we would understand from which group the crime comes from.

Punishing Slettla would not be fair!

Now, why should I be punished for history, did I commit a crime by being born white in Africa?

no one is accusing Afrikaners of being criminal for being African. it's only when they somehow think they're superior or better or deserving of more privileges that people get pissed off.

knowing a few Afrikaners, I'd say most of them would wish you guys back home would shut the hell up, because they say that you and the AWB and memories of apartheid etc. make them all look really bad.

[Adi Shankara]

It makes me feel like I'm talking to someone that thinks race is all about skin color!

and eye color, and facial features...that's really it though. the "scientific" argument for a seperate race could also be used to classify redheads as a seperate race, but I don't see any WN doing that.

[Adi Shankara]

Not even if 999 of 1000 greens were serial criminals would it say anything about greens, but only about the individuals committing the crimes.

I also heard that the majority of criminals ate food for sustinance, took shits, and breathed oxygen.

WAIT A MINUTE :blink: maybe I'm on to something here! we shouldn't be targeting just anybody...we should be targeting the source of all criminality, the people who breathe air, eat food, and take shits! :laugh::laugh::laugh:


gotta love that typical white nationalist thinking.

[Chambered Word]

@ErnestoCheG: did a black guy steal your white girlfriend? :cool:

[Thirsty Crow]

Why isn't this schmuck restricted?

[Adi Shankara]

Why isn't this schmuck restricted?

He serves as a good example of stupidity? lol