Food: Reactionary and By Far the Biggest Obstacle to Revolution

[Jimmie Higgins]

The new phase of the movement has begun!

WTF food!

What to communists and anarchist think about food? How can we tolerate this current wretched state of affairs?

Food is the ultimate tool used by the ruling class to control workers. They use lunch and snack breaks to buy us off. Trade Union bureaucracies talk about "bread and butter" issues in order to moderate rank and file militancy.

Food is also used by the ruling class to promote racist and other reactionary ideas. They have always used racist imagery of black servants and slaves in connection to food. Ethnic food, when incorporated into the mainstream foodocracy, is also tied in with racism. The Taco Bell dog plays on Mexican stereotypes, food chains with Asian food usually pay on horrible stereotypes, and for the Italians: "That's-a spicy meatball" WTF!?

Then there's food politics and food-reformism. The foodocracy has duped counter-culture types and liberals into thinking that their choice of diet can somehow change things in society.

Real radical know all about the food-game and reject the opportunism of the foodies outright. In fact real militants reject food outright, if only the rest of the left would take their nutrients and fluids through IVs like the members of my organization, the radical RCGV!

6/12/10 - Statement from the Revolutionary Committee of the Gastric Vanguard

So what do you think? And most importantly where do other groups and tendencies stand on the decadence of the Foodocracy as well as the rising threat of Foodian-fascism? Bob Avakian, I await your response.

[Comrade Awesome]

Food is the opiate of the masses!

[Jimmie Higgins]

Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to loose but your sausage links!

[Revy]

I thought Jamie Oliver was leading the "Food Revolution".:rolleyes:

[bcbm]

i like the slow food movement, personally.

[Revy]

i like the slow food movement, personally.

I thought that meant that they advocate eating food very slowly. but apparently it isn't that.

I used to eat my food slowly. Nowadays I eat my food very quickly...but it used to take me 30 minutes to eat lunch. And lunch for me usually was a peanut butter sandwich and a banana. I would take small bites and chew it thoroughly, then wait a bit before eating more. :blink:

[Niccolò Rossi]

I used to eat my food slowly. Nowadays I eat my food very quickly...but it used to take me 30 minutes to eat lunch. And lunch for me usually was a peanut butter sandwich and a banana. I would take small bites and chew it thoroughly, then wait a bit before eating more. :blink:

This is me exactly. For lunch at uni everyday I have rice, corn, beans and 2 cans of tuna mixed up in a bowl. It take me exactly 30mins to eat it every time. That is reasonably fast for me. Its not uncommon for a (solid) breakfast to take me an hour (I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs, 3 peices of toast and some vegetable (spinach, tomato) or meat (sausage)). I'm getting much better at it though, the last couple days Ive finished in under half and hour.

I'm notoriously slow with bananas and PB sandwiches (a common mid-morning snack for me). In general I just think they are hard to eat fast.

Nic.

[Tyrlop]

it's not even funny just discusting :crying:

[Ravachol]

This is me exactly. For lunch at uni everyday I have rice, corn, beans and 2 cans of tuna mixed up in a bowl. It take me exactly 30mins to eat it every time. That is reasonably fast for me. Its not uncommon for a (solid) breakfast to take me an hour (I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs, 3 peices of toast and some vegetable (spinach, tomato) or meat (sausage)). I'm getting much better at it though, the last couple days Ive finished in under half and hour.

I'm notoriously slow with bananas and PB sandwiches (a common mid-morning snack for me). In general I just think they are hard to eat fast.

Nic.

If there's one thing I can't stand it's people rushing my meals. I love food and like to take my time enjoying it thank you very much.

[Stand Your Ground]

This is me exactly. For lunch at uni everyday I have rice, corn, beans and 2 cans of tuna mixed up in a bowl. It take me exactly 30mins to eat it every time. That is reasonably fast for me. Its not uncommon for a (solid) breakfast to take me an hour (I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs, 3 peices of toast and some vegetable (spinach, tomato) or meat (sausage)). I'm getting much better at it though, the last couple days Ive finished in under half and hour.

I'm notoriously slow with bananas and PB sandwiches (a common mid-morning snack for me). In general I just think they are hard to eat fast.

Nic.
Peanut butter can be hard to eat fast. Do you put the banana on the sandwich or eat it seperately?

[Robocommie]

i like the slow food movement, personally.

So what you're saying is, you're a reactionary... Bcbm don't you know that real socialists uphold the universal availability of vitamin capsules and nutrient paste?

[leftace53]

a dependence on food is a dependence on the bourgioesasehgioesau

[Invincible Summer]

To be serious about this, I think it's a very important issue. I mean, how can people even begin to consider revolution when they can't eat properly or afford food or even have food?

[Angry Young Man]

i like the slow food movement, personally.

I think the Italians get pretty much everything right when it comes to dinner. Not quite sure why, but my parents enjoy haute cuisine TV shows like Masterchef. I'll try not to sound like a xenophobe or a philistine (just humour me on being neither) but those shows are all about minimalist French cuisine dating back to the 80s, and this seems obscene to me. Then you contrast it with Italian cooking - just some massive, nutritious, delicious, hearty, satisfying mess.

And then there's the credit they get for inventing pizza.

And ice cream.

And Parma ham.



Food is the opiate of the masses!

And I am a hopeless scag-head.


(I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs,...
You fat bastard! Your arteries must be like TAT's plughole.


So what you're saying is, you're a reactionary... Bcbm don't you know that real socialists uphold the universal availability of vitamin capsules and nutrient paste?

While these are all well and good, and could well end world hunger, I'd rather have a gurt plate of pasta with tomato sauce

[Niccolò Rossi]

Peanut butter can be hard to eat fast. Do you put the banana on the sandwich or eat it seperately?

I eat them seperately. Mainly because it's just more effort slicing the banana and putting it on the sandwich when you can just alternate and take bites of each. For the record though, peanut butter and banana sandwiches are yum. Wholegrain bread and natural peanut butter, of course. :)

Nic.

[Angry Young Man]

Don't slice the banana, mush it!

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Originally Posted by Niccolò Rossi
(I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs,...You fat bastard! Your arteries must be like TAT's plughole.

:bored:

[Nolan]

In glorious dictatorship of the proletariat everyone shall eat lemons for breakfast lunch and dinner!!

[it_ain't_me]

So what you're saying is, you're a reactionary... Bcbm don't you know that real socialists uphold the universal availability of vitamin capsules and nutrient paste? don't take the bait bcbm!

[Jimmie Higgins]

In glorious dictatorship of the proletariat everyone shall eat lemons for breakfast lunch and dinner!!

Down with limes!

[Angry Young Man]

:bored:

TAT's really furry. I was saying that he must be massively backed up with cholesterol

[Robocommie]

While these are all well and good, and could well end world hunger, I'd rather have a gurt plate of pasta with tomato sauce

Your revisionism disgusts me! Next you'll be telling me you wish to use bourgeois forks and knives as well!

[Il Medico]

Peanut Butter and banana sandwiches my friends. That is all.

[Stand Your Ground]

I eat them seperately. Mainly because it's just more effort slicing the banana and putting it on the sandwich when you can just alternate and take bites of each. For the record though, peanut butter and banana sandwiches are yum. Wholegrain bread and natural peanut butter, of course. :)

Nic.
It is more effort, but I like having it on the sandwich.

[Os Cangaceiros]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's people rushing my meals.

LOL my dad does that. He eats like his food is going to run off his plate.

I think that his job has something to do with that, though.

[Niccolò Rossi]

LOL my dad does that. He eats like his food is going to run off his plate.

I think that his job has something to do with that, though.

My father does this aswell. For him it has more to do with the fact that when he was growing up, if he didn't eat quickly his brothers would have stolen off his plate. When there isn't much food in the house eating quickly is something you learn to do.

Nic.

[Niccolò Rossi]

TAT's really furry. I was saying that he must be massively backed up with cholesterol

For the record, only about half of those are whole eggs. I usually use 2-3 whole eggs and the rest will be just yolks (now adays I use the eggwhites you buy from the freezer, rather than remove the yolk manually, it works out cheaper). It's the yolk that contains all the cholesterol and saturated fat.

Also, despite the fact that whole eggs are high in cholesterol, it's somewhat of a myth that eating such a large number of them is unhealthy. Dietry cholesterol has a minimal (if any) impact on blood cholesteral. Furthermore, population based studies on egg consumption and blood cholesterol levels found no association or an inverse association.

Finally, of course as I mentioned before, cholesterol is not the only problem people find with whole eggs, but also high levels of fat, particularly saturated fat. It is a sad, but common misconception that a diet high in fat will make you fat and hence a diet low in fat will make you thin. In reality it is the consumption of surplus calories (that is, a calorie consumption over and above what you burn off through day-to-day activity) that will cause you to gain weight in the form of fat (even if fat contains more calories per gram than protein or carbohydrate, and thus has more potential to make you gain weight).

Am I allowed to say that or am I taking this too seriously for chit-chat?

Nic.

[soyonstout]

In glorious dictatorship of the proletariat everyone shall eat lemons for breakfast lunch and dinner!!

If I remember right, in the movie Reds, G. Zinoviev is telling J. Reed about the merits of lemons in terms of fighting scurvy (esp. with lemon)

i never liked Zinoviev though. i'm sure he was a decent guy but he never struck me as anywhere near the thinker/fighter/dissenter as some of the other famous revolutionaries.

[Angry Young Man]

Nonetheless, you waste half an egg.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Nonetheless, you waste half an egg.

Hence buying egg whites in a carton. I'm sure the companies that produce them don't throw away the yolks. Just like egg whites have a use, egg yolks have a use aswell. Don't they use them in mayo and custard and other naughty things?

Nic.

[Sir Comradical]

This is me exactly. For lunch at uni everyday I have rice, corn, beans and 2 cans of tuna mixed up in a bowl. It take me exactly 30mins to eat it every time. That is reasonably fast for me. Its not uncommon for a (solid) breakfast to take me an hour (I should note breakfast usually consists of 5-6 eggs, 3 peices of toast and some vegetable (spinach, tomato) or meat (sausage)). I'm getting much better at it though, the last couple days Ive finished in under half and hour.

I'm notoriously slow with bananas and PB sandwiches (a common mid-morning snack for me). In general I just think they are hard to eat fast.

Nic.

Holy shit, 5-6 eggs? Even if it's mainly egg whites that's still insane. No wonder you've beefed up.

[Angry Young Man]

You only eat the white? What's the point of that, unless you eat your bodyweight in lemon meringue pie.

Which doesn't sound so bad, come to think of it

[Niccolò Rossi]

Holy shit, 5-6 eggs?

It's really not as much as you might think.


You only eat the white?

No. Out of an equivalent of 6 eggs, 3 of them might be whole.


What's the point of that, unless you eat your bodyweight in lemon meringue pie.

The point is to minimise fats without comprising on protein content. To be honest I think in the coming weeks I'll up the yolks, add vegies with brekkie and drop the carbs (I've found out the hard way my body's insulin response is not the best).

Also, whilst as a rule I don't eat lemon meringue pie, I am currently eating well over 4000 calories a day. Does that count?

Nic.

[Angry Young Man]

If you want protein without fat, eat chickpeas. Or, just radically, eat two whole eggs for breakfast. Or, this is your wildcard option, consult a nutritionist. I don't know if there's socialised healthcare in Australia, but if there is, do it

[Niccolò Rossi]

If you want protein without fat, eat chickpeas.

Yeah, Ive brought chickpeas to uni before as a snack. To eat a couple handfulls of them you need about a litre of water though. Makes your mouth drier than the sahara desert!


Or, this is your wildcard option, consult a nutritionist.

Why would I consult a nutrionist? I can help and advice I need it (when and if I need it - and that's a pretty big if right now) for free and without nearly as much effort. More importantly though, I take the advice of these types of 'professionals' with a grain of salt. My GP was telling me a few months back about the benefits of eating light. If he knew how much I eat he would be horrified. I easily eat 3 times as much as he does in a day.

EDIT: Re-reading your post, I think you misunderstand me. I'm eating as much as I do intentionally.

Nic.

[Angry Young Man]

Yea, wtf do nutritionists know. They only make a living out of assessing your dietary needs.

[Niccolò Rossi]

Yea, wtf do nutritionists know. They only make a living out of assessing your dietary needs.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I didn't say nutrionists were useless or worse than useless (though they can be).

I think your point is rather ironic actually. The entire modern health industry relies on people being sick, it relies on society at large being systemically ill. This is how it makes it's living. This applies just as much to nutrionists as it does to 'health' food and supplement manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, personal trainers, physiotherapists, etc etc etc.

Again, nothing against nutrionists as a rule, but I don't need one.

Nic.