Unclebananahead
12th June 2010, 06:51
This person basically just sent me a private message out of the blue, in response to a number of public comments I had been posting on various 'communism vs. capitalism' videos, in which I endeavor to give the average YouTube user a Marxist, proletarian perspective in a domain so frequently punctuated by reactionary outlooks. Apparently I sparked his ire, because he targeted me specifically for venting his 'outrage' at my 'evil commie ways.' Anyway, here it is:
Fappiness:
Proof
China seeking reform
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_39/b3648087.htm
http://pragcap.com/chinas-yuan-strategy-untenabel-unsustainable-indefensible-unsound
Cuba Starving:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE7D91638E733A25753C3A9639C94 669ED7CF
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/millions-of-cubans-facing-starvation-hunger-is-fuelling-an-exodus-of-desperate-refugees-writes-
phil-davison-from-havana-1417691.html
Vietnam Starving:
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/2007/11/15/130940/Vietnam's-flood.htm
North Korea Starving and failing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
Me:
A combination of reporting on natural disasters and pro-capitalist propaganda do not a convincing condemnation of socialism make -- sorry, you haven't convinced me of anything.
Fappiness:
Oh wow.
The butthurt is strong with you. I bring you proof of how communism has killed, and you have nothing to say but "Hurr durr propagandas".
Where are your socialist and communist newspapers? I put a Chinese source in there as well, you blind fool. Also, "do not a convincing condemnation of socialism make" makes you sound even more like a 13 year old, elitist retard, because that is not proper grammar. Your bias views of politics enrage me, as you fail to see that your ideology has killed millions as well. Not convinced? You might wanna check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58. Still not convinced? Just simply go to Google.com and search "People killed by communism" and several sources will show statistics. Too lazy?
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#ww2ussr
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Mao
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
How about that? Maybe these, unbiased, factual statistics will get through your thick head. Inb4 you don't read them and call them biased.
Now, get off your lazy butt and do some actual research on your ideology, I'm tired of doing it for you.
Me:
You obnoxious, trolling, buffoon. My sentence was structured in an archaic, pseudo-Shakespearean manner. So it would appear that in addition to being on the side of corporations, you apparently you don't read much of anything pre-20th century.
In response to your 'claims,' I've always pointed out to you people that had there been the mass murders the likes of which anti-communists always claim took place, there would have been some sort of Nuremberg style trials of the alleged 'wrong doers.' Don't you suppose that there been as much? Where are the bodies? Where are the courts bringing these 'criminals' to justice?
Regarding your 'sources,' who the hell is Matthew White? Is that you? Why should I consider your figures to be credible? Is besmirching the name of communism a hobby of yours, when you're not out at tea bagger protests?
Also, I'm not some big admirer of Stalin. There is enough evidence from actual Soviet sources to implicate him as a harshly paranoid, authoritarian ruler without any input from you foam-at-the-mouth right wingers. I know Stalin wasn't a nice guy. There's nothing new about that, and it isn't a matter of great controversy to me. I don't look up to him, I don't consider him to have established an ideal society that others should emulate in every detail. You don't need to convince me of these things, as I'm already convinced of that (without any help from the political right mind you).
What is irrefutable is the meteoric rise of the Soviet Union from a backwards, semi-feudal country in 1917, to a world super power post WWII (after it had endured massive destruction at the hands of the Nazi war machine). This was accomplished with a planned economy in under a generation, Stalin's excesses notwithstanding.
Fappiness:
Me, obnoxious? Cool story bro.
On the side of big corporations? No, I promote competition, not governmental dominance over the small companies that work hard and still make the same amount of money regardless. I promote GROWTH. not DOMINANCE. And America has laws preventing company monopolies, just look up Standard Oil.
But I digress.
Where are the bodies you ask? Look up pictures, you lazy buffoon. Regarding my sources? Look at page a little closer, you will see the sources of those statistics. If your too lazy, like you are: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm#Recurring.
Maybe then you will get over retarded prejudice.
I don't have to demote the "honorable communist name" because there was no honor, just power hungry elitists. "Tea-bagger protests?" I don't care for those ill-literate red-necks, despite being surrounded by them.
"Foam at the mouth right-wingers"- I laughed here because you're just as radical as them, because you defend communism no matter what, despite its corruption. Let's not forget communist censorship.(With your long elitist paragraphs)
I'm not talking only about Stalin, I'm talking about Mao, Plekhanov, Lenin, and others. It's not like I don't know communism.
"What is irrefutable is the meteoric rise of the Soviet Union from a backwards, semi-feudal country in 1917, to a world super power post WWII"-
That later collapsed due to Gorbachev finally doing the right thing, tearing down the Berlin Wall, which people begged to happen, which people were shot by SOVIETS(a.k.a. Communists) if they attempted to cross. Also, America did the same thing, but is still standing, because America was willing to accept input from everybody, unlike communists, who were corrupt, killing machines that didn't and don't care about their people, they only care about their power.
Do I have to give you an American example? Huey P. Long was essentially a communist, and he censored anyone who disagreed with him, had the largest and fastest rise in power in American history, and was eventually shot because Carl Weis was tired of him and wanted revenge(for something about his grandfather). See? Communism eventually fails because someone(or a group) grows tired of the leaders.
And please, if you wish to spread the "glorious communist message", stop talking like an elitist, thespian, retard with nothing better to do with his time then bashing capitalism, which is a time tested system that works.
Mind telling me where communism has stood the test of time?
You can't.
Shut your mouth.
Stop typing.
Me:
"Blah, blah, blah communism is evil, blah, blah blah, competition, blah, blah, blah killing machines" Yeah, I've heard this tired old anti-communist tirade before. It didn't convince me then, and it doesn't convince me now. The bourgeoisie always had a bone of contention with Marxism, and it always will, and so will the bourgeoisie's ideologists who will always condemn all attempts to build and establish socialism, regardless of its merits or deficiencies.
Did the Soviet Union have deficiencies? Yes. Do I care what you think they were? No. I ultimately don't care what any pro-capitalist thinks the Soviet Union's deficiencies were. The Soviet Union became a world super power, China became a world super power, Cuba became a regional power, all through planned socialist economics.
Your capitalist world -- the world so very near and dear to your heart -- is much much larger than the U.S., Canada, U.K., France, and Germany. It includes such paradises as Indonesia, Ecuador, Panama, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Malaysia, The Philippines, Haiti, India, Peru, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Costa Rica, etc. All are countries were many live in wretched miserable conditions, often scraping together a threadbare existence in cardboard shack shanty towns where anything resembling modern sanitation or medicine is virtually non-existent.
That's the reality of life under capitalism: misery and squalor for the world's majority. Until that changes, I'm afraid I'm going to have a fairly low opinion of your glorious, lopsided capitalist system, and hope humanity can do better for itself.
Fappiness:
I laughed at the fact that you had virtually no response for my sources, which were unbiased. History has had a bone to pick with communism because it rightfully did, and still does. So kindly be quiet on the "HURR DURR COMMUNISM IS TEH VICTIMZ OMG" bullshit. I don't have time to read that kind of crap.
The Soviet Union fell.
China is going through an ongoing famine and earthquakes.
Cuba is starving, and people are running away from there like crazy.
Mexico actually has a decent economy, but leaders who are in denial, so you're right there. And the other countries are practically third-world. They'd be failing no matter what government was in place.
So kindly shut the fuck up.
Me:
You haven't convinced me of anything -- sorry, not a thing. I'm not certain if that was your intention or not, but if it was, it was a miserable failure and a complete waste of your time.
Unbiased sources? Like that Matthew White fellow (probably you) and his ramblings? Sure, completely unbiased. Are you like, new to this whole debate thing? Bringing in sources your opponent holds in suspicion won't get you anywhere.
The fact remains that planned economy of the Soviet Union took it from a semi-feudal, agrarian nation, to world super power at the end of WWII after beating back the Nazi war machine.
"the other countries are practically third-world." They *are* the third world, but why is this so? If capitalism is such a wonderful system that is supposedly the best way for a nation to get to 'prosperity' (a yellow brick road to get to the emerald city), why is most of the capitalist world so poor? Why do so many people living under capitalism around the world live in a manner so utterly destitute? You look at capitalism and see something wonderful. I look at it and see something that served a necessary historical function, but is now outmoded, and not really adequately serving human needs. You look at capitalism and say, 'this is the best we can do.' I look at it and say, 'we have got to be able to do better than this.'
But you clearly have your brain stuck in some sort of feedback loop, so I'm really thinking that discussing such matters with you is really a waste of time.
Fappiness:
Proof
China seeking reform
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_39/b3648087.htm
http://pragcap.com/chinas-yuan-strategy-untenabel-unsustainable-indefensible-unsound
Cuba Starving:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE7D91638E733A25753C3A9639C94 669ED7CF
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/millions-of-cubans-facing-starvation-hunger-is-fuelling-an-exodus-of-desperate-refugees-writes-
phil-davison-from-havana-1417691.html
Vietnam Starving:
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/2007/11/15/130940/Vietnam's-flood.htm
North Korea Starving and failing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
Me:
A combination of reporting on natural disasters and pro-capitalist propaganda do not a convincing condemnation of socialism make -- sorry, you haven't convinced me of anything.
Fappiness:
Oh wow.
The butthurt is strong with you. I bring you proof of how communism has killed, and you have nothing to say but "Hurr durr propagandas".
Where are your socialist and communist newspapers? I put a Chinese source in there as well, you blind fool. Also, "do not a convincing condemnation of socialism make" makes you sound even more like a 13 year old, elitist retard, because that is not proper grammar. Your bias views of politics enrage me, as you fail to see that your ideology has killed millions as well. Not convinced? You might wanna check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58. Still not convinced? Just simply go to Google.com and search "People killed by communism" and several sources will show statistics. Too lazy?
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#ww2ussr
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Mao
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
How about that? Maybe these, unbiased, factual statistics will get through your thick head. Inb4 you don't read them and call them biased.
Now, get off your lazy butt and do some actual research on your ideology, I'm tired of doing it for you.
Me:
You obnoxious, trolling, buffoon. My sentence was structured in an archaic, pseudo-Shakespearean manner. So it would appear that in addition to being on the side of corporations, you apparently you don't read much of anything pre-20th century.
In response to your 'claims,' I've always pointed out to you people that had there been the mass murders the likes of which anti-communists always claim took place, there would have been some sort of Nuremberg style trials of the alleged 'wrong doers.' Don't you suppose that there been as much? Where are the bodies? Where are the courts bringing these 'criminals' to justice?
Regarding your 'sources,' who the hell is Matthew White? Is that you? Why should I consider your figures to be credible? Is besmirching the name of communism a hobby of yours, when you're not out at tea bagger protests?
Also, I'm not some big admirer of Stalin. There is enough evidence from actual Soviet sources to implicate him as a harshly paranoid, authoritarian ruler without any input from you foam-at-the-mouth right wingers. I know Stalin wasn't a nice guy. There's nothing new about that, and it isn't a matter of great controversy to me. I don't look up to him, I don't consider him to have established an ideal society that others should emulate in every detail. You don't need to convince me of these things, as I'm already convinced of that (without any help from the political right mind you).
What is irrefutable is the meteoric rise of the Soviet Union from a backwards, semi-feudal country in 1917, to a world super power post WWII (after it had endured massive destruction at the hands of the Nazi war machine). This was accomplished with a planned economy in under a generation, Stalin's excesses notwithstanding.
Fappiness:
Me, obnoxious? Cool story bro.
On the side of big corporations? No, I promote competition, not governmental dominance over the small companies that work hard and still make the same amount of money regardless. I promote GROWTH. not DOMINANCE. And America has laws preventing company monopolies, just look up Standard Oil.
But I digress.
Where are the bodies you ask? Look up pictures, you lazy buffoon. Regarding my sources? Look at page a little closer, you will see the sources of those statistics. If your too lazy, like you are: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm#Recurring.
Maybe then you will get over retarded prejudice.
I don't have to demote the "honorable communist name" because there was no honor, just power hungry elitists. "Tea-bagger protests?" I don't care for those ill-literate red-necks, despite being surrounded by them.
"Foam at the mouth right-wingers"- I laughed here because you're just as radical as them, because you defend communism no matter what, despite its corruption. Let's not forget communist censorship.(With your long elitist paragraphs)
I'm not talking only about Stalin, I'm talking about Mao, Plekhanov, Lenin, and others. It's not like I don't know communism.
"What is irrefutable is the meteoric rise of the Soviet Union from a backwards, semi-feudal country in 1917, to a world super power post WWII"-
That later collapsed due to Gorbachev finally doing the right thing, tearing down the Berlin Wall, which people begged to happen, which people were shot by SOVIETS(a.k.a. Communists) if they attempted to cross. Also, America did the same thing, but is still standing, because America was willing to accept input from everybody, unlike communists, who were corrupt, killing machines that didn't and don't care about their people, they only care about their power.
Do I have to give you an American example? Huey P. Long was essentially a communist, and he censored anyone who disagreed with him, had the largest and fastest rise in power in American history, and was eventually shot because Carl Weis was tired of him and wanted revenge(for something about his grandfather). See? Communism eventually fails because someone(or a group) grows tired of the leaders.
And please, if you wish to spread the "glorious communist message", stop talking like an elitist, thespian, retard with nothing better to do with his time then bashing capitalism, which is a time tested system that works.
Mind telling me where communism has stood the test of time?
You can't.
Shut your mouth.
Stop typing.
Me:
"Blah, blah, blah communism is evil, blah, blah blah, competition, blah, blah, blah killing machines" Yeah, I've heard this tired old anti-communist tirade before. It didn't convince me then, and it doesn't convince me now. The bourgeoisie always had a bone of contention with Marxism, and it always will, and so will the bourgeoisie's ideologists who will always condemn all attempts to build and establish socialism, regardless of its merits or deficiencies.
Did the Soviet Union have deficiencies? Yes. Do I care what you think they were? No. I ultimately don't care what any pro-capitalist thinks the Soviet Union's deficiencies were. The Soviet Union became a world super power, China became a world super power, Cuba became a regional power, all through planned socialist economics.
Your capitalist world -- the world so very near and dear to your heart -- is much much larger than the U.S., Canada, U.K., France, and Germany. It includes such paradises as Indonesia, Ecuador, Panama, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Malaysia, The Philippines, Haiti, India, Peru, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Costa Rica, etc. All are countries were many live in wretched miserable conditions, often scraping together a threadbare existence in cardboard shack shanty towns where anything resembling modern sanitation or medicine is virtually non-existent.
That's the reality of life under capitalism: misery and squalor for the world's majority. Until that changes, I'm afraid I'm going to have a fairly low opinion of your glorious, lopsided capitalist system, and hope humanity can do better for itself.
Fappiness:
I laughed at the fact that you had virtually no response for my sources, which were unbiased. History has had a bone to pick with communism because it rightfully did, and still does. So kindly be quiet on the "HURR DURR COMMUNISM IS TEH VICTIMZ OMG" bullshit. I don't have time to read that kind of crap.
The Soviet Union fell.
China is going through an ongoing famine and earthquakes.
Cuba is starving, and people are running away from there like crazy.
Mexico actually has a decent economy, but leaders who are in denial, so you're right there. And the other countries are practically third-world. They'd be failing no matter what government was in place.
So kindly shut the fuck up.
Me:
You haven't convinced me of anything -- sorry, not a thing. I'm not certain if that was your intention or not, but if it was, it was a miserable failure and a complete waste of your time.
Unbiased sources? Like that Matthew White fellow (probably you) and his ramblings? Sure, completely unbiased. Are you like, new to this whole debate thing? Bringing in sources your opponent holds in suspicion won't get you anywhere.
The fact remains that planned economy of the Soviet Union took it from a semi-feudal, agrarian nation, to world super power at the end of WWII after beating back the Nazi war machine.
"the other countries are practically third-world." They *are* the third world, but why is this so? If capitalism is such a wonderful system that is supposedly the best way for a nation to get to 'prosperity' (a yellow brick road to get to the emerald city), why is most of the capitalist world so poor? Why do so many people living under capitalism around the world live in a manner so utterly destitute? You look at capitalism and see something wonderful. I look at it and see something that served a necessary historical function, but is now outmoded, and not really adequately serving human needs. You look at capitalism and say, 'this is the best we can do.' I look at it and say, 'we have got to be able to do better than this.'
But you clearly have your brain stuck in some sort of feedback loop, so I'm really thinking that discussing such matters with you is really a waste of time.