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Xaniel
12th June 2010, 03:49
O Jerusalem, take heed. The current situation in Israel is untenable; there is an unending conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews. Jewish inhabitants distrust the Palestinians, and vice versa. The age-old struggle between them has cost many lives, much hardship and untold sorrow. The conflict has generated tremendous anger, hatred and distrust forcing them to live under a single umbrella has proven to be a formula for unending friction.


In order to allow a chance for peace in the Middle East, something has to give. Wars will not bring an end to it, as they have been going on for centuries with no resolution. Negotiations and mediations between the parties have not worked either.


The two peoples cannot continue to be forced to live together in the contrived single state of Israel. THEY NEED TO BE PERMANENTLY SEPARATED. A new state needs to be formed for the Palestinian occupants of Israel. The only practical solution is to have the new state created with continuous borders and a sea port.


The Gaza Strip is already populated by Palestinians, and it has a sea port. The West Bank is also populated with many Palestinians, so the two should be connected with land. This means that there should be no reason for a citizen of the new Palestinian state to have to cross into Israel to reach some part of his or her country. Likewise, there should be no reason for Israelis to need to cross the Palestinian borders to reach any part of Israel. This will eliminate much of the friction at the borders.


Also, neighbouring countries should consider granting some land to the Palestinians, so that the new state has enough land to reasonably house its people and become a viable nation state.


Jerusalem is a major sticking point in regard to a two-state solution, which affects not only the parties, but peace in the region. Both sides have long-standing reasons to be inflexible regarding the city. Both sides have long historical, cultural and religious reasons for their intransigence regarding Jerusalem. This has led many people to insist that the two-state solution have a shared Jerusalem. That is, severing Jerusalem in twain, part to one nation and part to another, or granting co-ownership of the city to both nation states. Are either of these proposals wise?


The twentieth century saw what happened when secular powers divided up Berlin into sections. The situation was so bellicose that the Berlin Wall was erected to section off the city. For decades, the Wall divided the people and caused tremendous misery until it was finally demolished.
The same mentality of erecting Berlin Walls is very active in modern-day Israel, as is seen by the walled-off sections of the West Bank. Fencing off sections of Berlin did not work, and it should not be encouraged in Jerusalem. Further, if there are national borders running through the city of Jerusalem, it will guarantee that there will be continued friction and bloodshed in the city.


It is understood that neither party wants to relinquish all rights to Jerusalem, but, in reality, to have lasting peace in the area, is there any other choice? I suggest that there is not. Many centuries of conflict support my position. Therefore, in my opinion, Jerusalem should either be wholly within the nation of Israel or wholly within the newly created Palestinian state. To accomplish this, one side or the other would necessarily have to relinquish Jerusalem voluntarily, if it is to be settled amicably. It should be realized that the side that vacates Jerusalem should be amply compensated for it when boundaries for the two newly-formed nation states are drawn.


Clearly, both parties claims to Jerusalem are heavily based on religious grounds. If neither side will voluntarily relinquish the city, then, after solemn prayers, a lot should be cast over which nation state will house Jerusalem. Those who sincerely believe in the Divine should accept that the lot will result in the Divines will being carried out.


I have seen the future for the area presently known as Israel if a two-state solution is not soon implemented, with one of the nation states having exclusive control and ownership of Jerusalem. The future will certainly be filled with many more tears and much more sorrow for everyone in the area. This future can be changed if Jerusalem is given over to one side or the other, and two separate and independent nations are created soon. If this does not happen, I have foreseen that one, later to be known by a name that sounds something like Ahmad Mahmud will emerge and take Jerusalem down, and nobody will have it ever after.


Amitakh Stanford

scarletghoul
12th June 2010, 05:21
1. They are not motivated by religious beliefs, not mostly anyway. That's just part of it used for justification of Zionism. In fact many Zionists are not religious at all; they just want to steal the Palestinians' land for capitalist/nationalist/fascist/imperialist reasons. And the Palestinians are simply fighting back- you don't need to be an islamic fundamentalist to fight back against people who have stolen your country and are trying to destroy your people.

2. You seem to view it as a case of "both sides are just as bad !" this is simply wrong. Palestinians have barely any power at all, just a few guns and crappy rockets. Israel has one of the world's most powerful militaries and loads of US funding.

3. The state of Israel does not represent the Jews. Many many Jews hate the state of Israel and see it as a disgrace the way it tries to cloak its fascist agression in Jewish identity.

4. It is possible for Jews and Arabs and others to live in harmony. This happens in other countries, and was once the case in Palestine. What is happening now is not someone trying to 'force 2 peoples to live together', it is a case of one people occupying another peoples land, making them second class citizens, trying to ethnically cleanse them from areas, calling htem terrorists when they fight back, etc etc.

5. What is this stuff about forseeing lmao . Could you explain some more ?

the last donut of the night
12th June 2010, 05:23
cool story bro

Yazman
12th June 2010, 12:11
cool story bro

Please do not ever make a post like this outside of Chit Chat. It is inappropriate and amounts to spam.

This is a verbal warning.

Palestine
12th June 2010, 20:23
You foresee a shit load of crap my friend, the only solution is a bi-national state, and simply a secular state ruled by democracy, because I don't care who promised who what.
So far the Zionists didn't find anything that proves there was a temple, if they did we would have known a long time ago, let's see that someone comes to live in you house and eventually keep a room in the big house for you and your family, I don't think you will be happy about that.