Sectarianism with in Anarchists, Libertarian-Left?

[StoneFrog]

Is there much sectarianism within the libertarian-left?
I dunno if i just don't see it but how well do different Anarchist groups get along? And how do Anarchist and libertarian Marxists get on?

[Agnapostate]

Yes, there is a division between social and individualist anarchists, as you probably know. It's similar to the planner/market socialist divide that exists in Marxian-derived ideology. It's complicated (at least on the Internet), by the fact that a number of self-professed "anarcho"-capitalists (though they are neither anarchists nor capitalists), claim to be "market anarchists" in line with many of the political aims of the individualist anarchists (and not the economic aims, though politics and economics cannot be separated).

[Zanthorus]

It's similar to the planner/market socialist divide that exists in Marxian-derived ideology.

I don't think any such divide really exists.

[Agnapostate]

I don't think any such divide really exists.

Could you elaborate? I learned a lot from your commentary on Marx's anti-capitalism being advocacy of socialism/communism.

[Zanthorus]

Could you elaborate? I learned a lot from your commentary on Marx's anti-capitalism being advocacy of socialism/communism.

Thanks :)

But I've never heard of any market socialists who would call themselves Marxists.

[Palingenisis]

Is there much sectarianism within the libertarian-left?
I dunno if i just don't see it but how well do different Anarchist groups get along? And how do Anarchist and libertarian Marxists get on?

Yes there is...Organize! which is based mostly in Belfast doesnt consider the Workers' Solidarity Movement which is the biggest anarchist group here on both sides of the border part of the "Proletarian camp" or whatever phrase you want to use.

[Palingenisis]

Organize or "Orangize" are anarcho-syndicalists and the Workers Solidarity Movement are Platformists.

[syndicat]

David Schweickart and Carl Davidson are both Marxists who advocate market socialism. In the school of "analytical marxism" there are advocates of forms of market socialism.

But sectarianism is not simply the existence of different opinions or criticisms of another viewpoint.

You can't profitably discuss "sectarianism" unless you have some criterion or definition of what it is.

[Palingenisis]

Thanks :)

But I've never heard of any market socialists who would call themselves Marxists.

What about Tito?

[Agnapostate]

But I've never heard of any market socialists who would call themselves Marxists.

David Schweickart writes that "I began thinking of myself as a Marxist. I still do." Theodore Burczak, on the other hand, writes that, "The Marxian tradition imparts a consequentialist understanding of class as a process of producing, appropriating, and distributing surplus labor that is rendered invisible by standard economic theories of the firm." As I spoke of "Marxian-derived" ideologies, it seems to be a range from explicit Marxism to substantial incorporation of Marxist tenets.

[Zanthorus]

Fair enough then.

[28350]

In the school of "analytical marxism" there are advocates of forms of market socialism.

For those who don't know what that is, I read what I thought was a good article on it here (http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/analytical-marxism-socialism-without-class-struggle). It's opposed to analytical marxism.