No such thing as an atheist

[Mahatma Gandhi]

Abrahamic faiths are not the only ones to worship God. Everybody else does, including self-proclaimed atheists.

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it.

Is there a thing called atheism at all?

[Sir Comradical]

Ohh please...

[mikelepore]

To analyze is to differentiate categories. Words are only useful when they include some things and exclude other things. If you redefine a word so that it describes everyone or omits everyone, all you have done is remove the potential for explanation and communication.

[NGNM85]

Abrahamic faiths are not the only ones to worship God. Everybody else does, including self-proclaimed atheists.

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it.

Is there a thing called atheism at all?

No, no, no. This is absolutely false. I may be as certain in gravity, or the laws of thermodynamics as you are in god, but the comparison ends there. I 'believe', if you can call it that, in a material universe governed by measureable phenomena, that have real properties. I accept the conclusion after it gets borne out by the data, you assume your conclusion to be absolutelty infallible and then try to write reality into the script. There's no comparison.

Atheism is very real, and I am one.

[thomasludd]

Originally Posted by Mahatma Gandhi

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it. :rolleyes: I would have respected you if you used "world-view", instead of equating something to "cling-on" as "religion" - it would have worked in some sort of senseless chit-chat, but i found this gem:


Originally Posted by Mahatma Gandhi

Based on this, it is safe to conclude that third-world nations are neither capitalist nor socialist but essentially anarchist. That's why such nations have neither the development that comes with capitalism nor the order which comes with a command economy system.Are you some kind of troll? :laugh:

[x371322]

Atheists are as real as Trolls. I know that much.

[Sir Comradical]

So where in India are you from, Mahatma?

[danyboy27]

Abrahamic faiths are not the only ones to worship God. Everybody else does, including self-proclaimed atheists.

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it.

Is there a thing called atheism at all?

We dont worship science, and buddist dont worship nature.

buddist enjoy the beauty of nature in a spiritual manner, just like i enjoy the beauty of a sunny afternoon, they seek some kind of enlightenementn out of it, and i seek enlightenement thru better understanding of the world history.

atheist dosnt worship science, they just prefer to rely on it beccause it work. Jesus or faith will never heal my wound, but a doctor can.
Jesus or faith will not provide me with electricity, engineer will.

seeking a degree of enlightenement have nothing to do with faith, beccause enlightenement is nothing but a better understanding of ourselves.

[piet11111]

God's are supposed to be supernatural all powerful deity's clearly ideals and nature are not supernatural all powerful deity's.

[Revy]

Abrahamic faiths are not the only ones to worship God. Everybody else does, including self-proclaimed atheists.

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it.

Is there a thing called atheism at all?

Someone who views science or the "free" market or left-wing ideals as a "god" is not an atheist.

If you take anything and decide to view it as your god, you are not an atheist, because the definition of an atheist is someone who does not believe in God or gods.

Atheists do not view science as a god. Science is not religion. Science is knowledge based on evidence, not faith.

To sum it all up, fail.

[Raúl Duke]

Abrahamic faiths are not the only ones to worship God. Everybody else does, including self-proclaimed atheists.

Heathens, including Hindus and Buddhists, worship nature; nature becomes their god. For a man of science, science becomes his god. Right-wingers have their own version of god: free market. Leftists are no different; their ideals are the many gods they worship. And so forth.

Only the names have changed; ideas have changed. But the tendency to cling to something is ever present. That 'something' could be an idea, a human being, government, or anything at all. Point is, everybody wants something to hold on to; they feel lost without it.

Is there a thing called atheism at all?

blah blah....

Maybe in your definition of what a religion/god is than yes.
But in the regular definition understood by many no.
The world does not revolve around your definition.

Atheism is a lack of belief. It doesn't predispose a "belief" in science per se, perhaps just a basic understanding. Virtually all atheists are agnostic, they reach their disbelief through lack of evidence of god and operate/assume via Occam's Razor than that god doesn't exist (One can argue that there are no "agnostics." Agnosticism isn't a theological label, but an epistemological one, and most people who call themselves agnostic operate as if god doesn't exist, i.e. act like atheists).

Also Buddhists do not "worship nature." Some buddhist are in a sense secular/atheistic in that they take Buddha's teachings as some sort of Confucian-like guidelines/philosophical understanding. Nor do Hindus, they worship a partheon of gods. It's funny that you call them "heathens," religious chauvinism much?

Finally, where are you going with this? Are you going to convince us that for some reason this makes religion reasonable/equal to reason? Assuming that you called Hinduism and Buddhism "heathenism" I'm guessing later you want to say that Christianity is the "true religion?" Get real, you ain't convincing anyone and this seems like the set-up for some borderline preaching which is against the forum rules.

[Sir Comradical]

To analyze is to differentiate categories. Words are only useful when they include some things and exclude other things. If you redefine a word so that it describes everyone or omits everyone, all you have done is remove the potential for explanation and communication.

Well yeah, he basically did this.

Null Hypothesis: Atheism = Real
Alternate Hypothesis: Atheism = Not-Real (no such thing)
Atheism = Belief in God(s)
God(s) = nature = science = free-market = leftist-ideals
Therefore Leftist Ideology = God
In conclusion, we reject the null hypothesis.

Tada!!

[Invincible Summer]

Thread closed.

Verbal Warning to Mahatma Gandhi - don't troll like this again. --Helios+