Lady Gaga

[Dimentio]

Discuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqrrmev4mA

[Glenn Beck]

You Swedes must be pissed at this blatant Ace of Base ripoff

[Dimentio]

Not really. I quite like Lady Gaga, though for reason unknown.

Must admit that I'm not too fond of Ace of Base, except maybe for a few songs. My favourite 'mongst Swedish bands is Colony 5.

[9]

I found out recently that my mom is a huge Lady Gaga fan lol
I don't know, it's not my kind of music, but she is definitely interesting.

[Angry Young Man]

Her music sucks and the only way she can be considered strange is against a backdrop of being a total prostitute (I mean this in the sense of the relationship to the capitalist infrastructure of the music industry).

If I remember right one of the girls from Ace of Base was a total babe.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

She doesn't interest me in the slightest. She's the face of a pathetic music industry; take away all the "outrageous" gimmickry and you're left with boring, formulaic music that isn't distinguishable from any other mainstream crap in the charts.

[ed miliband]

I dig her.

It's clear there has been a progression in her act since her first few songs and videos, and she's definitely moved away from being 'sexy' for the sake of selling records. Yeah, she gets naked and dances in bikinis, but I still think she's embraced the androgyny that was initially used to smear her ('lol she actually has a dick lol') and she's said that her videos aren't the sort of thing teenage boys might jerk off to (and I agree with her).

It's fun pop music anyhow, and I need a bit of fluff every so often.

[TheSamsquatch]

I am disgusted by her. She tries way way way too hard to come off as 'WEIRD!' and 'ODD!'. It has the opposite effect. She's just another mainstreamer with a gimmick.

[tracher999]

lady gaga is wacko but the muzik is not so bad i heard other muzik do you like the spyce girls i think not

[scarletghoul]

I LOOOVE Lady Gaga.

[9]

BUT LADY GAGA SUCKS, THAT CAPITALISTIC WHORE *whips out an iPod and proceeds to dumpster dive while listening to Immortal Technique*

lol posers <3

[Il Medico]

She's alright. Better than most of the stuff on the radio.

[tracher999]

She's alright. Better than most of the stuff on the radio.

idd radio sucks:blink:

[leftace53]

I am gaga over GaGa. She is alright in moderation, or on drunk nights.

[Jazzratt]

The tunes are quite fun and catchy. Not really what I usually listen to but not nearly as shitty as certain kinds of pretentious wanker (the kind that talks about gaga being some kind pillar of bourgeois culture and part of the decayed western blahdy fucking blah) like to pretend.

[Dr Mindbender]

Madonna wannabe.

[Invincible Summer]

Although her music isn't anything terribly original, it's not continuously the typical "Shawty get down i'll buy you a drank" stupid shit that's overplayed on the radio here.

And at least she can actually sing and make extravagant performances. A true entertainer. I wouldn't really say it's a gimmick, especially since it's not a constant look she's going for (i.e. KISS' makeup)

[BeerShaman]

Listen to real music! Listen to thrash!;)

[Invincible Summer]

Listen to real music! Listen to thrash!;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smuyNdoDupA

This is actually really terrible but it's one of the better "covers"

[Angry Young Man]

BUT LADY GAGA SUCKS, THAT CAPITALISTIC WHORE *whips out an iPod and proceeds to dumpster dive while listening to Immortal Technique*

lol posers <3

It doesn't take very much music snobbery to steer away from hypocrisy when it comes to Lady Gaga. As far as I care you can listen to pop-punk and badmouth her

[synthesis]

Listen to you people trying to justify why you like that shit. "At least it's not..." Just say you like it and move on. It is catchy, but I don't really like catchy stuff - call me a killjoy if you want. I don't like music that gets stuck in my head. I like making music that gets stuck in your head, although I haven't quite figured out the formula yet.

[turquino]

BUT LADY GAGA SUCKS, THAT CAPITALISTIC WHORE *whips out an iPod and proceeds to dumpster dive while listening to Immortal Technique*

lol posers <3
Her new video is an attack on the catholic church and prejudice against homosexuality.

A lot better than Immortal Technique rapping about beating up "f****ts".

[Unclebananahead]

She's kind of cute, but her music isn't anything I really get too excited about TBH. I suppose "Love Game" is a little catchy, especially when you've had a few drinks.

[MarxSchmarx]

How long has she been in operation? All of a sudden like about half a year or maybe a bit more ago I started hearing incessantly about this clown and I don't get her AT ALL. The music is crap, the videos are quite boring, and honestly it just strikes me as a massively suave and well-rolled out marketing and promotion project. Or what am I missing.

I guess fads come and go, but honestly I'd never heard a thing about her until very recently and all of a sudden I can't escape it. I hear her and talk of her on the radio a lot, see her references everywhere...Even here of all places :rolleyes:

[Dimentio]

How long has she been in operation? All of a sudden like about half a year or maybe a bit more ago I started hearing incessantly about this clown and I don't get her AT ALL. The music is crap, the videos are quite boring, and honestly it just strikes me as a massively suave and well-rolled out marketing and promotion project. Or what am I missing.

I guess fads come and go, but honestly I'd never heard a thing about her until very recently and all of a sudden I can't escape it. I hear her and talk of her on the radio a lot, see her references everywhere...Even here of all places :rolleyes:

She's an illuminatus :lol:

Everyone knows that :D

[#FF0000]

i really don't mind lady gaga but my fucking friends have got to stop fucking talking about her and postmodernism to me jesus fucking christ

[Dimentio]

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676

[Tyrlop]

i really don't mind lady gaga but my fucking friends have got to stop fucking talking about her and postmodernism to me jesus fucking christ
Postmodernism rocks <3

BTW. i liked the trousers the male dancers had. really nice, also haircut i should get that haircut, so my friends would adore me

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

How long has she been in operation? All of a sudden like about half a year or maybe a bit more ago I started hearing incessantly about this clown and I don't get her AT ALL. The music is crap, the videos are quite boring, and honestly it just strikes me as a massively suave and well-rolled out marketing and promotion project. Or what am I missing.

I guess fads come and go, but honestly I'd never heard a thing about her until very recently and all of a sudden I can't escape it. I hear her and talk of her on the radio a lot, see her references everywhere...Even here of all places :rolleyes:
This.

It cracks me up when people buy into her "persona".

If she was on some unknown indie label then it'd be fair enough, but she's yet another product of music industry focus groups. And she's clearly selling.

[9]

If she was on some unknown indie label then it'd be fair enough

haha


but she's yet another product of music industry focus groups. And she's clearly selling.Who cares? Do you also refuse to enjoy big budget movies? Do you only buy obscure softdrinks and eat at underground restaurants and go to shitty clubs that nobody ever heard of because of 'teh capitalistic industries' and 'oh noes, teh mass pop culture'?

Plus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

No, but I do disagree with pop-culture for the most part. Lady Gaga sucks, mostly because she is the face of a shitty, generic mainstream music scene, but also because she is unoriginal and untalented. At least coca-cola actually tastes good, despite its evils.

[black magick hustla]

the only rthing that bothers me about her is that some feminists think she is outrageous for her antics which she is not

[black magick hustla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT3AIX3_js

[black magick hustla]

a bunch of alienated kids torching down dozens of churches down and murdering each other for petty black metal feuds and planning to bring down christian civilization through world war three that is more outrageous

[9]

I hate black metal, it makes my ears bleed.

[black magick hustla]

its an acquired taste

i also like stuff like dis though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yg-CgIwaHs

[9]

The worst music ever invented, though, is polka.

[black magick hustla]

no thats noise and ambient

[9]

yeah, but that's not really music, it's more just noise. and still, polka is worse.

[The Ben G]

Discuss

niqrrmev4mA

What the hell did I just watch?

[The Ben G]

LtT3AIX3_js

This is the best thing posted here, and I don't even like black metal.

[S.Artesian]

Recombinant-DNA bag lady.

[9]

LtT3AIX3_js

This is really horrible, BTW. I can't listen to it without imagining some garage kegger full of a bunch of really tall, fat, piss-drunk bearded men in Metallica t-shirts.

[it_ain't_me]

she has the most watched youtube video of all time. of all time!

[this is an invasion]

shes hot

[black magick hustla]

This is really horrible, BTW. I can't listen to it without imagining some garage kegger full of a bunch of really tall, fat, piss-drunk bearded men in Metallica t-shirts.

nah most of them are blonde and skinny bois

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I LOOOVE Lady Gaga.

Yeah, that sums up how I feel. Lady Gaga is fucking awesome!

[9]

I also like this one, mainly for the cigarette glasses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ95z6ywcBY&has_verified=1

*feels ashamed*

[Jazzratt]

No, but I do disagree with pop-culture for the most part. Lady Gaga sucks, mostly because she is the face of a shitty, generic mainstream music scene, but also because she is unoriginal and untalented. At least coca-cola actually tastes good, despite its evils.

To reiterate what 9 already said:


qrO4YZeyl0I

[scarletghoul]

Does anyone else think the Bad Romance video isnt good for the song ??

I really like the song, it's amazing and original. However the video is 1. not dark enough etc and more importantly 2. painfully generic in the 'anti-fashion unoriginal-weird' kinda way. I prefer much much to just listen to the song and try to avoid the video

[Invincible Summer]

I also like this one, mainly for the cigarette glasses:

GQ95z6ywcBY

*feels ashamed*


What's interesting is that the director of the video generally does metal videos

[Nwoye]

I also like this one, mainly for the cigarette glasses:

GQ95z6ywcBY

*feels ashamed*
her hair done up with coca-cola cans is pretty cool, and so are the Kill Bill references.

ps. lady gaga rocks

[Foldered]

I think Lady Gaga is an interesting character.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

She doesn't interest me in the slightest. She's the face of a pathetic music industry; take away all the "outrageous" gimmickry and you're left with boring, formulaic music that isn't distinguishable from any other mainstream crap in the charts.

Agreed. Annoying disposable pop trash and nothing more. I don't know how anyone can stand her music without banging their head against a wall.

[Foldered]

Agreed. Annoying disposable pop trash and nothing more. I don't know how anyone can stand her music without banging their head against a wall.
I'm not a very big fan of her music (at all really), but she isn't disposable pop trash; she's very interesting. Watch an interview or two with her, she's not a run-of-the-mill pop star.

[I.Drink.Your.Milkshake]

I dont understand the fascination with her. The androgyny/dressing up thing has been a staple of the entertainment industry for yea.... deca..... centuries. The sensationalism that surrounds of this aspect of her performance truly baffles me and i think demonstrates an ignorance in our culture of anything that existed before 1955. As if Elvis came along and all of a sudden the world began. This kind of blinkered cultural ignorance is a pet peeve of mine. I once wrote a (slightly tongue-in-cheek) article in which i claimed Oasis to be the most innovative performers of the age. No-one.... NO ONE had ever simply stood still before. :lol:

As for her music.... couldnae give a fuck, really.

[Foldered]

I dont understand the fascination with her. The androgyny/dressing up thing has been a staple of the entertainment industry for yea.... deca..... centuries. The sensationalism that surrounds of this aspect of her performance truly baffles me and i think demonstrates an ignorance in our culture of anything that existed before 1955. As if Elvis came along and all of a sudden the world began. This kind of blinkered cultural ignorance is a pet peeve of mine. I once wrote a (slightly tongue-in-cheek) article in which i claimed Oasis to be the most innovative performers of the age. No-one.... NO ONE had ever simply stood still before.
For the record (even if this has no direction towards my fascination), this isn't what I meant by her not being an average, run-of-the-mill pop star. If you watch interviews with her, the levels of consciousness that go behind her choices to dress androgynously, to dance how she does, to act how she does, are all pretty incredible. While this has been done before, to see someone who consciously understands why, for example, dressing androgynously challenges certain aspects of culture and can coherently discuss those challenges while remaining a mainstream, huge pop star is refreshing in my opinion.
If anything, it's the opposite of cultural ignorance, really.

[I.Drink.Your.Milkshake]

I was accusing the media of cultural ignorance, rather than Germanotta herself. Ive heard a few of her interviews, but i have trouble with the contention that she challenges aspects of the culture or... well... anything, really. Maybe 50 years ago. All music really changes today is the records people buy. This is just entertainment.

meh

[9]

Yeah, to be clear, I think her fashion and videos are interesting - I think her performances are also very entertaining...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CUYvWTd6oA
However, I don't think there is any political significance behind what she does at all, and I don't see why some people feel it is necessary to justify everything they do in these terms.
Tonight I am going to the Trinity in Seattle. But it is strictly to spread the revolution. lol :rolleyes:

[Foldered]

However, I don't think there is any political significance behind what she does at all, and I don't see why some people feel it is necessary to justify everything they do in these terms.

I think there is political significance behind what she does with regard to gender and sexuality.

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's not really my style of music (but I liked the M.I.A. album) but I do like the chip-on -the-shoulder thing she has going. Compared to Pop from 10 years ago, she can't be seen as anything other than a cultural step-forward.

But mostly I like her for things like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XywDm8dO3rY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRNsl_0AZOs&feature=related

[AK]

From the comments in this thread I am able to conclude that it is not capitalism which is the real issue today, but rather, Lady GaGa's music and fashion sense.

[9]

From the comments in this thread I am able to conclude that it is not capitalism which is the real issue today, but rather, Lady GaGa's music and fashion sense.
I sometimes I slip out of my robotrot war-polemics and I actually start discusing thing that regular human beings are discussing. it's a serious problem I have

[AK]

I sometimes I slip out of my robotrot war-polemics and I actually start discusing thing that regular human beings are discussing. it's a serious problem I have
Being normal must suck.

By the way, you're not actually a regular human being if you like Lady GaGa.

[Honggweilo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW5czKqT05A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Dlb4RWLk8

[HEAD ICE]

Lady Gaga is the only interesting and entertaining mainstream music artist to come about in a long long time.

[Das war einmal]

A totally unoriginal Marilyn Manson rip-off, without the wit and cleverness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EefPcht54c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R682M3ZEyk&feature=channel


^-That was a long time ago btw.

[Foldered]

A totally unoriginal Marilyn Manson rip-off, without the wit and cleverness.
I was waiting for someone to suggest this, actually. I'm not sure it's accurate though. Their similarities begin and end at playing androgynous, I think.

And it wasn't that long ago, saying that it was makes me feel old.

[Sam_b]

Heck, at least she writes her own songs and can play instruments. She plays piano very well, actually.

I'll leave the fourteen year olds to emphasise how alternative they are by loathing popular music, though.

[Pavlov's House Party]

I bet 5$ that in less than a year she becomes culturally irrelevant and is replaced by some other pop-star.

[Sam_b]

Right, I will actually take that bet then, pending definition of cultural relevancy.

Only $5? You can't be that confident.

[Foldered]

I bet 5$ that in less than a year she becomes culturally irrelevant and is replaced by some other pop-star.
By many people's standards she isn't even culturally relevant now.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I was accusing the media of cultural ignorance, rather than Germanotta herself. Ive heard a few of her interviews, but i have trouble with the contention that she challenges aspects of the culture or... well... anything, really. Maybe 50 years ago. All music really changes today is the records people buy. This is just entertainment.

meh

Well, when has culture really been challenging? In the early 90s after the anti-apartheid movement and world-shaking events in the late 80s like the end of the cold war and so on. In the 60s and 70s when there were social movements challenging culture. In the 1950s, rock music emerged along with a generally more militant mood among black people after WWII. In the 30s and 40s when artists sided with struggling laborers and the anti-fascist struggle.

I don't think we will see really challenging culture again until people are generally challenging culture and our society that produces it.

Because of the commercial connection to most cultural production, the default setting of all cultural expressions is: the status quo. But because culture needs to connect with the audience, if the audience rejects the assumptions presented in most cultural productions, then there is a disconnect and people laugh at it rather than feeling connected to it. This happens all the time - in retrospect we call the outdated cultural objects "camp". Westerns and War movies and patriotic songs and nostalgia that had been popular in the early 1960s were rejected by the end of the decade because the experience of civil rights, and Vietnam made the idea of the cavalry coming in to stop the bad dark-skinned brutes was no longer acceptable to most of the potential audience.

[synthesis]

Personally, I think she's just importing Eurogarbage and selling it to 'Murrikan mallrats. Let's just be happy she found a niche or two she can exploit for all they're worth.

[AK]

I'll leave the fourteen year olds to emphasise how alternative they are by loathing popular music, though.
Sometimes I wonder how on earth that shit became popular...
And btw, I'm 15 :lol: (like that makes a difference)

[Sam_b]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3R3KqrJAI4

Somebody find me a Pussycat Doll that can do this.

[9]

l3R3KqrJAI4

Somebody find me a Pussycat Doll that can do this.

Or this (http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/vma-09/435679/paparazzi-live.jhtml)

[HEAD ICE]

Another thing with Lady GaGa is that she is also an actual performance artist. Her concerts are phenomenal, she really does care for the show aspect.

ZQr6PJkx3E0

she fuckin slips but keeps going, fuck all haters

[Das war einmal]

I was waiting for someone to suggest this, actually. I'm not sure it's accurate though. Their similarities begin and end at playing androgynous, I think.

.

The show aspect, the shock factor (although having way less effect with gaga), the nonconformist behaviour are quite similar. Both artist know realise what moves the crowd and they toy around with it.

Although like I said, Lady Gaga, is way less heavy on the political issues and her lyrics are not clever at all.

But essentially, you are right the comparison altogether is a bit daft. However I think Marilyn Manson really did influence Lady Gaga.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

l3R3KqrJAI4

Somebody find me a Pussycat Doll that can do this.
No way! She's playing a piano.... in a pirates hat?

Boy she's really something else that Lady Gaga.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Yo, Ima let you finish, but my Immortal Technique is better than yo GaGa. :thumbup1:

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

I bet 5$ that in less than a year she becomes culturally irrelevant and is replaced by some other pop-star.

That is exactly what's gonna happen.

[Sam_b]

That is exactly what's gonna happen

I'll happily take the bet against you instead.

[9]

tbh, I think she'll have a coke burnout

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

From the comments in this thread I am able to conclude that it is not capitalism which is the real issue today, but rather, Lady GaGa's music and fashion sense.

Lady Gaga is more interesting to me. Political issues can be relevant, but if I spend my life fighting for the right to dance with out actually taking time to dance than what's the point?

If I can't dance it's not my revolution.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

That is exactly what's gonna happen.

Except at both lesbian bars and gay bars in Milwaukee where she's a fucking goddess.

[black magick hustla]

you see i dont get this why do gay people love lady gaga so much it infuriates me

[black magick hustla]

and ultra liberals and hip feminists or whatever.

[Foldered]

you see i dont get this why do gay people love lady gaga so much it infuriates me
It doesn't take a very discerning mind to understand why she is important to the gay community.

Also, from what I've read, she doesn't really do coke, only psychadelics.

[black magick hustla]

why is she? because she is progay? all popstars are progay. find me a famous female popstar that is homophobic and the world will be upside down

[Invincible Summer]

why is she? because she is progay? all popstars are progay. find me a famous female popstar that is homophobic and the world will be upside down

I think Katy Perry may be homophobic, given that she has a song called "Ur so gay"

[Tavarisch_Mike]

About her music in general i just have one word; Party!!!
Comon stop trying to make this about politics, i mean some people just like her music, thats it and to try to make her "the face of capitalism" and "the representative of the bad music industry" is just pathetic. We are still living in the capitalist system and therefor evrything around us is a partof the system, you cant ignore that and our goal is to change the political and economicall system by organizing the whole working class not by boycotting some artist.

[#FF0000]

and ultra liberals and hip feminists or whatever.

something about post modernism

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I think Katy Perry may be homophobic, given that she has a song called "Ur so gay"

I like Katy Perry anyhow. I like the songs "One Of The Boys" and "I'm Still Breathing"

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

you see i dont get this why do gay people love lady gaga so much it infuriates me

Why maldoror, for the sheer, irresistible, goddamn glamour of it all...

[9]

Also, from what I've read, she doesn't really do coke, only psychadelics.

she is lying. I know a cokehead when I see one (http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/vma-09/435679/paparazzi-live.jhtml).

[Foldered]

why is she? because she is progay? all popstars are progay. find me a famous female popstar that is homophobic and the world will be upside down
Well, for one, she's incredibly active in the gay community and is not simply "progay" (which would include anyone who isn't anti-gay, I imagine). She also, like I mentioned earlier, challenges hegemonic (and problematic) notions of gender and sexuality.
http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080508113344AAgHHZi

And who cares if she is a coke head? Some of my best friends are.

[Robocommie]

I like Katy Perry anyhow. I like the songs "One Of The Boys" and "I'm Still Breathing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_stcgW8E4o

[Invincible Summer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkzxwrdyRw0

[Foldered]

That's what I mean by her being articulate and sophisticated.

[gorillafuck]

Some of her songs are good, some are pretty bad.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkzxwrdyRw0

OMG! She is fucking awesome!

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Some of her songs are god, some are pretty bad.

Well I'd say her songs are goddess, not god.

[Jazzratt]

Yo, Ima let you finish, but my Immortal Technique is better than yo GaGa. :thumbup1: People who say things like this remind me of the, sometimes unbearbly long, arguments I've had with extremely tedious people about the merits of extremely incomprable artists. These conversations never go anywhere because the already incredibly subjective nature of the thing is taken toi an even more farcical extreme by someone totally misunderstanding the wide gulf between a lot of genres. It's like saying that x thrash metal band is better than y chill-out band/artist despite the fact neither band or artist is aiming to ellicit the same reactions in the audience. Much like thrash metal and chill-out are incomprablye so too are party pop and homophobic conspiracist hip-hop.

[HEAD ICE]

Yo, Ima let you finish, but my Immortal Technique is better than yo GaGa. :thumbup1:


I've got so many gay fans and they're so loyal to me and they really lifted me up. They'll always stand by me and I'll always stand by them.


why you trying to be hardcore, you fucking homo-thug
and don't be sensitive and angry at the shit that I wrote
cuz if you can take a fucking dick, you can take a joke

:mellow:

[Robocommie]

OMG! She is fucking awesome!

Yeah, except when asked if she's a feminist, she says no, she loves men. She reinforced the notion that feminism is about hating men or bashing on men.

[Robocommie]

I felt this was relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLFT-pctu-w&feature=player_embedded#!

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Robo:
Why do you have to make it all about politics? I like her because of how she says it not what she says.

You can go off on political theory and making your revolution all you want but if the manner in which you present it is bland and boring I'll fall asleep and dream about glitter falling all around me.

[Robocommie]

Robo:
Why do you have to make it all about politics? I like her because of how she says it not what she says.

Strange forum to say that, don't you think?



You can go off on political theory and making your revolution all you want but if the manner in which you present it is bland and boring I'll fall asleep and dream about glitter falling all around me.

Well, given that I've already posted two completely facetious videos on this thread, I hardly think it's fair to try and cast me as some kind of humorless, uptight spoil-sport. But really, are you being serious here? Because it's not the responsibility of the revolution to entertain you.

[Raúl Duke]

Yeah, except when asked if she's a feminist, she says no, she loves men. She reinforced the notion that feminism is about hating men or bashing on men.

I think people are making her seem more like an independent agent acting upon culture when she should be seen as an interesting blimp in culture, a symptom of our societal culture.

For example, her notion is seemingly believed by many women (in the U.S.; I've seen women say they're not feminist and yet argue/speak of basic feminist positions) and yet these same women accept many aspects of feminism. Lady Gaga is only reflecting (and "propagandizing" in a sense) this trend.

Lady Gaga herself seem to voice some little small feminist-type opinions like:


Some women choose to follow men, and some women choose to follow their dreams. If you're wondering which way to go, remember that your career will never wake up and tell you that it doesn't love you anymore.

[gorillafuck]

Well I'd say her songs are goddess, not god.
Typo, I meant to say "good".

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Strange forum to say that, don't you think?



Well, given that I've already posted two completely facetious videos on this thread, I hardly think it's fair to try and cast me as some kind of humorless, uptight spoil-sport. But really, are you being serious here? Because it's not the responsibility of the revolution to entertain you.

Point well taken about the videos.

Sorry I've been moody lately.

[Foldered]

I feel like I need to make clear, because of my support for Lady Gaga all of this thread, that her denunciation of feminism really pissed me off. On the other hand, she did it because she understands feminism on the same level of the majority (unfortunately! very unfortunately!) as a perspective that enforces "man hating."

Edit: She slips very hard from what she seems to ally (feminism, the gay community, etc), but that happens. She made the slip of saying "oh no, I'm not feminist!" in that one interview, but everything else that she said exemplified a very sophisticated understanding of gender and sexuality in our society. It's very easy to see why I said earlier that she isn't a run-of-the-mill pop star; there is no way you would have seen spears, aguilera, or even madonna ever say things as eloquently as she did. This is why she is unique.

[Robocommie]

Point well taken about the videos.

Sorry I've been moody lately.

Happens to us all sometimes.

[HEAD ICE]

JF4hwfUMdWU

[Foldered]

That video is epic aside from those guys joining in.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Her acoustic versions show her musical talents better than her other work in my opinion. I do appreciate the staging of her act, she takes a lot of thought in creating her stages and costumes and trying to create theatre in her shows.

She talks about feminism and gay rights and promotes these causes. Her comments on sex are also very valid and are in line with work that has been going on by all the leading artists in all disciplines over the past century.

[Invincible Summer]

Also, about the androgyny thing. Yeah, it's not "new" really, but she also usually gets her backup dancers to dress in a "gender bending" way as well. The dancing is usually criticized as being "weird" or "bad," but I see it as a refusal to adhere to a typically "sexy feminine" style of dance that is expected of female pop stars.

[Glenn Beck]

http://i.imgur.com/Gvi2l.gif

[9]

^what's more Feminist than the daughter of a capitalist who grew up in New York's Silk Stocking District and went to private Catholic school with the Hilton kids??!1

[Glenn Beck]

^what's more Feminist than the daughter of a capitalist who grew up in New York's Silk Stocking District and went to private Catholic school with the Hilton kids??!1

Man don't be such a hater, she really had it rough. Snorting whole deserts of cocaine dunes is hard work.

I find it awesome that we've been discussing Lady Gaga for 6 pages now, and all the ways she might totally be sort of a little bit progressive

I have to admit that Bad Romance was catchy

edit: 7 pages as of this post

[Dr Mindbender]

Because it's not the responsibility of the revolution to entertain you.

You know i actually take issue with that.

Of course, the revolution should provide sound ideological theory to back itself up but is that it? What do we live for?

[gorillafuck]

I have to admit that Bad Romance was catchy
This is true

[Bright Banana Beard]

Damnnit, I forgot to add /s to ruin this thread. I actually liked Lady GaGa, but also Enrique Iglesias. I never find Immortal Technique to be that good. Jazzratt, I hope you aren't serious.

[Jazzratt]

I never find Immortal Technique to be that good. Jazzratt, I hope you aren't serious. I was, but that's because Immortal Technique is inexplicably quite popular here. I suppose expressing yourself in meme form should have tipped me off.

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As for this thread I'm not really sure why we're arguing (aside, obviously for the fact it's revleft and we couldn't agree on a pot to piss in) - Lady gaga isn't all that progressive but her music is enjoyable and I'm not really sure what else needs saying.

[9]

I'd like to see this thread make it to ten pages, personally.

[Telemakus]

[email protected] a thread about lady gaga getting so many posts xD

+1 to the post count.

[Foldered]

+1 to the post count.
It invalidates everything you say when you announce that you're posting for a post count.

[Robocommie]

You know i actually take issue with that.

Of course, the revolution should provide sound ideological theory to back itself up but is that it? What do we live for?

How is it acceptable for someone to say that they don't care about a struggle if it's boring? That's incredibly self-centered and egoistic. Find amusement on your own time. The revolution is about ending human suffering.

[Telemakus]

It invalidates everything you say when you announce that you're posting for a post count.
It invalidates "[email protected] a thread about lady gaga getting so many posts xD"?
Huh? :confused:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Like myself, Lady Gaga has been accused of having a penis. Why is that?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I'd like to see this thread make it to ten pages, personally.

Lady Gaga deserves 20,000 pages! :thumbup1:

[Bright Banana Beard]

Lady GaGa has a penis!?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Lady GaGa has a penis!?

Some people just like to throw that around because of how incredibly ugly she is.

[Blackscare]

She's a Satanist.


Mike Patton will destroy her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6w2xg0LZnY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_V2kcYCQM&feature=related

[Invincible Summer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBE3CTcNa8I

I love Mike Patton but comparing him to Lady gaga is silly

[Nwoye]

since we all agree that Lady Gaga is awesome, I'd like to move on to the next point: Adam Lambert sucks.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Some people just like to throw that around because of how incredibly ugly she is.

Actually, I think she is quite beautiful. But what is even more beautiful is her creativity for her style is something beyond compare and her attitude seeing as she is bold and doesn't give a fuck what people say about her, she'll say and do what she wants anyhow. I find her to be admirable.


How is it acceptable for someone to say that they don't care about a struggle if it's boring? That's incredibly self-centered and egoistic. Find amusement on your own time. The revolution is about ending human suffering.

Okay, so I'm self-centered. I am as self-indulged as Frida Kahlo. I don't care if you have a problem with that. :tt2:
I've noticed that when everything becomes about the revolution usually after the revolution you end up with an authoritarian, censorship happy, cold, bland society with no respect for anything artistic.
I'd point out that a revolution worth having is also about liberation and ending all oppression and exploitation. That would also include the oppression of rank and file, bland, anti-artistic expression, cold, single-mindedly authoritarian, ideological censorship.

:blackA::reda::blackA::reda:

[Nachie]

Lady Gaga is awesome.

Are her videos just a confusing blur of intense images with no actual content? sure. Is she potentially the illuminati antichrist? could be. So basically she is the pinnacle of our civilization's decay, and you really gotta appreciate how powerful that is.

I like pop music because unfortunately it's one of the more benign cultural landmarks that we've been allowed to grasp on to in order to still have some hope of a shared collective experience with our fellow human beings in this hyper-alienated society, and shit I'll take that for what it's worth. I got more in common with the millions of faceless people droning on to her stutterbeat than I do with the humorless ideologues on this website, so hey.

Plus, I really like to dance.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Plus, I really like to dance.

Just dance...

[black magick hustla]

Lady Gaga is awesome.

Are her videos just a confusing blur of intense images with no actual content? sure. Is she potentially the illuminati antichrist? could be. So basically she is the pinnacle of our civilization's decay, and you really gotta appreciate how powerful that is.

I like pop music because unfortunately it's one of the more benign cultural landmarks that we've been allowed to grasp on to in order to still have some hope of a shared collective experience with our fellow human beings in this hyper-alienated society, and shit I'll take that for what it's worth. I got more in common with the millions of faceless people droning on to her stutterbeat than I do with the humorless ideologues on this website, so hey.

Plus, I really like to dance.
tbh you are an ideologue and i can say i could probably trace more or less your ideological roots. the truth is you politicize what i always do without having to use big words (ie taking mushrooms in the forest and saying outrageous shit)

the post left silliness is as ideological as the ascetic third international militant. the former is just more hip

[Nachie]

I can trace my own ideological roots thankyouverymuch! :lol:

[Invincible Summer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGaLDnvvZyE

[Aurora]

You can go off on political theory and making your revolution all you want but if the manner in which you present it is bland and boring I'll fall asleep and dream about glitter falling all around me.

I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment but that was really beautiful :blushing:

[Peace on Earth]

Some songs aren't bad; they have a catchy tune. I don't go "gaga for Gaga," but I won't accuse her of being the satanic representation of decadence as many do.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I don't go "gaga for Gaga,"

But I sure do!

[The Vegan Marxist]

In my opinion, Lady Gaga isn't that bad at all. I respect her position of trying to be controversial. Controversy is the only things that seems to get people to start talking anymore about things that bother them. She reminds me of Marilyn Manson, probably a reason why I like her so much haha.

[Invader Zim]

Her music is garbage as far as I'm concerned. As for her look, I couldn't give a shit.

[La Comédie Noire]

She sounds exactly like Britney Spears and Christina Aguleria.

[Invincible Summer]

She sounds exactly like Britney Spears and Christina Aguleria.

She has written songs for Britney Spears

[Thirsty Crow]

I've heard a version of "Poker Face" with only her voice and a piano. It was decent, she does seem to possess good vocal skills abd capacities.
But her "normal" music is just too much for me, shitty and uninspired...and I don't think "being controversial" amounts to something potentially subversive.

[leftace53]

I wonder if the Gaga googles her name and finds this thread, and is currently reading all of what we said about her, and her next song turns out to be about RevLeft.

[The Vegan Marxist]

^ Could we put a Mao quote for that one about enemies attacking us then? lol

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I wonder if the Gaga googles her name and finds this thread, and is currently reading all of what we said about her, and her next song turns out to be about RevLeft.
If she did read this, she'd know that she is a goddess in my eyes.

[gorillafuck]

Starstruck, baby could ya blow my heart up?

[leftace53]

If she did read this, she'd know that she is a goddess in my eyes.
I also love the Gaga. Her music videos are out there enough for me to watch them, but not out there enough for her to thrown out. Her songs are catchy as fuck, and are incredible to listen to on a drunk night out/in with the girls.

[Widerstand]

The next David Bowie!

The next Madonna!

The next Michael Jackson!

/troll