History Repeats - Real vs. Fake

[Kléber]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42761000/jpg/_42761719_trotsky_stalin416x300.jpg
http://calgaryisawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/8-2pac-vs-notorious-big4.jpg

http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/reviews/davis/davis1-29-09-20.jpg
http://theconcretejournal.com/2/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tupac_suge_snoop.jpg

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/photo/t1940a.jpghttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5778/tupacsuge1998copy.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2801/leontrotskywithfridak00.jpghttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9607/tupacwithfaithevans.jpg

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/%7Ekimball/images/Trotsky%20dead.jpg
http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20080404/62a23dfc-372d-4b19-8c2f-9fdcf812c2ab/files/tupac-shakur.jpg


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http://www.russianlife.com/archive/KhrushStalin.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6554/biggiew.jpg

http://www.blackartdepot.com/gallery/musiclegends/notoriousbig/notoriousbig1.jpghttp://www.davno.ru/posters/collections/stalin/img/poster-01.jpg

http://www.kommersant.com/photo/300/DAILY/2006/083/KMO_072661_00006_1m.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4-t0hS2P_p4/SbXd4_025kI/AAAAAAAAAOY/VuqEopBAalQ/s400/biggie.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/377012223_8e05f113d4.jpg?v=0http://www.strictlyballin.net/gallery/murals/TrueTupacFans11.jpg

[Tyrlop]

a dialectic analysis

[Kléber]

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8485/trotsky.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X0dyXk34Knw/SkIvU8-1nwI/AAAAAAAAAUI/g9t5Gnt18q0/s400/2Pac+-+thug+life.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3850/trotshot.jpg
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0519081mugshots11.jpg

[Dimentio]

Sorry, had to. :lol:

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History repeats. First time, its a tragedy. The second time a farce. ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzLtR1YcWXM

He's out from jail now btw

[Dimentio]

On becoming a celebrity a short time before one's own death

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[Dimentio]

Don't even ask what this should suppose to mean

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4088/caligulatila.png

[Sir Comradical]

Trotsky - Tupac. Stalin - Biggie. It all makes sense now.

[Pirate Utopian]

I perfer Biggie over Tupac. He's just a better rapper.

[Jazzratt]

Stalinist!

[Pirate Utopian]

Would Ice-T be Karl Marx in this methaphor? Founder of gangsta rap and all.

[Sasha]

dont know, did karl marx ever played an cop in an tv show later in his career?

[Kléber]

I perfer Biggie over Tupac. He's just a better rapper.
Are you fucking kidding?


As real as it seems the American Dream
Ain't nothing but another calculated scheme
To get us locked up shot up back in chains
To deny us of the future rob our names
Kept my history a mystery but now I see
The American Dream wasn't meant for me
Cause lady liberty is a hypocrite she lied to me
Promised me freedom, education, equality
Never gave me nothing but slavery
And now look at how dangerous you made me
Calling me a mad man cause I'm strong and bold
With this dump full of knowledge of the lies you told
Promise me emancipation in this new nation
All you ever gave my people was starvation
Fathers of this country never cared for me
They kept my ancestors shackled up in slavery
And Uncle Sam never did a damn thing for me
Except lie about the facts in my history
So now I'm sitting hear mad cause I'm unemployed
But the government's glad cause they enjoyed
When my people are down so they can screw us around
Time to change the government now, Panther power!
...
I couldn't settle for being a statistic
Couldn't survive in this capitalistic
Government cause it was meant to hold us back
Using ignorance, drugs, and sneak attack

Compare with this crap from the studio gangsta who rolled with none faker than the revisionist P. Diddy:

Here I am, I'll be damned if this ain't some shit
Come to spread the butter lyrics over hominy grit
It's the low killer death trap, yes I'm a jet black ninja
Comin where you rest at, surrender
Step inside the ring, youse the number one contender
Lookin cold booty like your pussy in December
***** stop *****in, button up ya lip and
From Method all you gettin is a can of ass-whippin
Hey, I'll be kickin, you son, you doin all the yappin
Actin as if it can't happen
You front and got me mad enough to touch somethin
Yo I'm from Shaolin, Island, and ain't afraid to bust somethin
So what cha want *****, ya punk *****
I got a six-shooter and a horse named Trigger
Really? Really?

[Pirate Utopian]

Yes. Faker my ass.

Biggie got better lyrics, better flow, just better and didnt get all batshit paranoid or made stupid diss tracks.
Tupac might got more politics but he doesnt have more talent than Biggie.

[Kléber]

Yes. Faker my ass.
fucking Puff Daddyite


Biggie got better lyrics, better flow, just better and didnt get all batshit paranoid or made stupid diss tracks.Uh he did make the dis track "Who Shot Ya?" basically taking credit for the assassination attempts. Which he wouldnt have had to do if his flow was superior.

[Pirate Utopian]

Who Shot Ya? was written before that. Better ask somebody.

[Tyrlop]

http://youngwhiteandaccountable.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/change-hitler-obama-lenin1.jpg
reminds me of this

[Kléber]

Who Shot Ya? was written before that. Better ask somebody.
Pac's murder was not the first assassination attempt against him.

On the night of November 30, 1994, the day before the verdict in his sexual abuse trial was to be announced, Shakur was shot five times and robbed after entering the lobby of Quad Recording Studios in Manhattan by two armed men in army fatigues. He would later accuse Sean Combs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Combs),[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#cite_note-37) Andre Harrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Harrell), and Biggie Smalls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_B.I.G.)—whom he saw after the shooting—of setting him up. Shakur also suspected his close friend and associate, Randy "Stretch" Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretch_%28rapper%29), of being involved in the attempt. According to the doctors at Bellevue Hospital, where he was admitted immediately following the incident, Shakur had received five bullet wounds; twice in the head, twice in the groin and once through the arm and thigh. He checked out of the hospital, against doctor's orders, three hours after surgery. In the day that followed, Shakur entered the courthouse in a wheelchair and was found guilty of three counts of molestation, but innocent of six others, including sodomy. On February 6, 1995, he was sentenced to one-and-a-half to four-and-a-half years in prison on a sexual assault charge.[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#cite_note-38) A year later on November 30, 1995, Stretch was killed after being shot twice in the back by three men who pulled up alongside his green minivan at 112th Ave. and 209th St. in Queens Village (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens_Village,_Queens), while he was driving. His minivan smashed into a tree and hit a parked car before flipping over.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#cite_note-39)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#November_1994_shooting

The song was an obvious reference to which he replied:

Who shot me
But your punks didn't finish
Now you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
***** I hit 'em up

[Pirate Utopian]

I know what incident you ment but Who Shot Ya? was written before that.

[Dimentio]

The only thing that is shame is that Biggie never confronted Varg (even though they are from widely different genres) :lol:

[Kléber]

I know what incident you ment but Who Shot Ya? was written before that.
He obviously meant to release it after the shooting as a sort of victory dance, at which he failed miserably.

[Chambered Word]

Dat be why I'z rollin' wid Trotskizzle yo.

[Pirate Utopian]

He obviously meant to release it after the shooting as a sort of victory dance, at which he failed miserably.
So you think Biggie was involved?

[LeninBalls]

http://youngwhiteandaccountable.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/change-hitler-obama-lenin1.jpg
reminds me of this

Change, change, sndige...?

[Nwoye]

yeah, this album is dedicated to all the teachers that told me
i'd never amount to nothin', to all the people that lived above the
buildings that i was hustlin' in front of that called the police on
me when i was just tryin' to make some money to feed my daughters,
and all the niggaz in the struggle, you know what i'm sayin'?

r.i.p

[Sir Comradical]

Are you fucking kidding?



Compare with this crap from the studio gangsta who rolled with none faker than the revisionist P. Diddy:

Really? Really?

Hey, Biggie had sick flow. I used to bump that shit back when I was 14.

[Sir Comradical]

Change, change, sndige...?

Lol, conservatives are morons.

[Dimentio]

Who is Lady Gaga then? Elagabalus?

[Vendetta]

Who is Lady Gaga then? Elagabalus?

Khruschev in drag.

Or Reagan. haven't smoked enough to properly decide yet.

anyway...both are good but imo its no contest. 2pac.

[bailey_187]

Compare with this crap from the studio gangsta who rolled with none faker than the revisionist P. Diddy:



Irv Gotti = the Stalin of rap. Ruthlesly putting hits out on guys who violate his people/Proletarian revolution, even if they had a good history e.g. leading the Red Army/being in Run DMC

[bailey_187]

Biggie got better lyrics, better flow, just better and didnt get all batshit paranoid or made stupid diss tracks.


Biggie had better lyrics, flow etc on a technical level but 2pac made better songs.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I like this Notorious BIG track:

QQlmLf67m18

He did have good flow.

[Turinbaar]

I suppose immortal technique would be Che Guevara?

[Pirate Utopian]

Immortal Technique sucks.

[gorillafuck]

No, Jay-Z is Che Guevara.


With bling on.

[the last donut of the night]

i hereby found the school of marxist-leninist-tupacism

[Saorsa]

Biggie and Tupac were both great, but Biggie was better. East Coast ftw - Nas is, was and will always be the best rapper ever.

[Kléber]

Nas is, was and will always be the best rapper ever.
"conscious rap" is usually just black conservatism that talks down to oppressed communities and blames bad cultural habits for their social predicament, exhorting families without any spare time or money to be "more conscious of the way we raise our daughters" - sure enough Nas is a total prostitute for the Obama regime. he has some cool beats but they are often ripped from other artists

[Bilan]

"conscious rap" is usually just black conservatism that talks down to oppressed communities and blames bad cultural habits for their social predicament, exhorting families without any spare time or money to be "more conscious of the way we raise our daughters" - sure enough Nas is a total prostitute for the Obama regime. he has some cool beats but they are often ripped from other artists

Okay, seriously. Enough.
First of all, hip hop and rap artists regularly steal - or "appropriate" - "beats" from other artists. I promise you Tupac didn't write the music, especially the chorus, for "changes", for example.
That is all they do.

Secondly, your "evidence" against Biggie is, at best, silly.

And thirdly, comparing Tupac and Biggie to Stalin and Trotsky is utterly stupid.

That is all.

[9]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42761000/jpg/_42761719_trotsky_stalin416x300.jpg
http://calgaryisawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/8-2pac-vs-notorious-big4.jpg

http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/reviews/davis/davis1-29-09-20.jpg
http://theconcretejournal.com/2/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tupac_suge_snoop.jpg

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/photo/t1940a.jpghttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5778/tupacsuge1998copy.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2801/leontrotskywithfridak00.jpghttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9607/tupacwithfaithevans.jpg

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/%7Ekimball/images/Trotsky%20dead.jpg
http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20080404/62a23dfc-372d-4b19-8c2f-9fdcf812c2ab/files/tupac-shakur.jpg


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http://www.russianlife.com/archive/KhrushStalin.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6554/biggiew.jpg

http://www.blackartdepot.com/gallery/musiclegends/notoriousbig/notoriousbig1.jpghttp://www.davno.ru/posters/collections/stalin/img/poster-01.jpg

http://www.kommersant.com/photo/300/DAILY/2006/083/KMO_072661_00006_1m.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4-t0hS2P_p4/SbXd4_025kI/AAAAAAAAAOY/VuqEopBAalQ/s400/biggie.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/377012223_8e05f113d4.jpg?v=0http://www.strictlyballin.net/gallery/murals/TrueTupacFans11.jpg

God this reeks of adderall.

[Saorsa]

"conscious rap" is usually just black conservatism that talks down to oppressed communities and blames bad cultural habits for their social predicament, exhorting families without any spare time or money to be "more conscious of the way we raise our daughters" - sure enough Nas is a total prostitute for the Obama regime. he has some cool beats but they are often ripped from other artists

I didn't say I agreed with his politics. I said he was the best rapper ever, and I stand by it. I listen to Nas because of how he sounds, what he says and how he says it... not because I necessarily agree with all of it.

[Kléber]

Okay, seriously. Enough.
ha


God this reeks of adderall.
maybe YOu would require that.. but not a well-oiled, historical parallel-drawing machine like myself


I listen to Nas because of how he sounds, what he says and how he says it... not because I necessarily agree with all of it.
cool, but its funny to hear a maoist say that art shouldnt be judged through the lens of class struggle ;p

[Joesky]

What does the Wu-tang clan represent? The KGB?

[Il Medico]

What does the Wu-tang clan represent? The KGB?
[Making fun of a silly thread]Nah, CIA. They are capitalist trying to under mine the glorious socialism of Biggie.[ /making fun of silly thread.]

[Saorsa]

cool, but its funny to hear a maoist say that art shouldnt be judged through the lens of class struggle ;p

Lol, touche. It's all about context though - if there was a revolution sweeping America, all art would have to be judged as an expression of politics and class struggle.

[mosfeld]

2Pac > Biggie.

East > West, though..

[Os Cangaceiros]

2Pac > Biggie.

East > West, though..

You're crazy.

G-funk > Anything that's ever came out of the East Coast ever.

[Pirate Utopian]

You mean hip-hop itself?

[Os Cangaceiros]

East Coast may have invented hip hop, but the West Coast perfected it.

[Pirate Utopian]

I will meet actually meet Snoop Dogg on the 27th because I got a backstagecard for Parkpop where he'll be at.

Also wouldnt this thread's methaphor of Tupac being Trotsky work better if Suge Knight was Stalin?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I will meet actually meet Snoop Dogg on the 27th because I got a backstagecard for Parkpop where he'll be at.

Also wouldnt this thread's methaphor of Tupac being Trotsky work better if Suge Knight was Stalin?

Suge Knight being Stalin is appropriate, considering the fate of some of his associates.

[Uppercut]

Immortal Technique sucks.

Explain.

[Pirate Utopian]

Explain.
No flow, shitty beats, shitty lyrics. Conspiracy crap every other song.

Claiming to be a superduperrevolutionary socialist while spewing out some homophobic and/or sexist garbage next.
And he really goes out of his way to say some that shit. Like that line about women rubbing themself with sperm to get pregnant or "homothugs" should take a joke seeing as they "take dick". It exceeds most of the gangsta rappers in the effort he puts into making sure his lyrics have homophobia/sexism in it.

[the last donut of the night]

No flow, shitty beats, shitty lyrics. Conspiracy crap every other song.

Claiming to be a superduperrevolutionary socialist while spewing out some homophobic and/or sexist garbage next.
And he really goes out of his way to say some that shit. Like that line about women rubbing themself with sperm to get pregnant or "homothugs" should take a joke seeing as they "take dick". It exceeds most of the gangsta rappers in the effort he puts into making sure his lyrics have homophobia/sexism in it.

i gotta disagree. most of his songs contain good politics, and although the new world order shit gets annoying, he's agreeable most of the time. however, his sexism and homophobia are annoying too but i think hes gotten better over time. 3rd world was a great album

[∞]

Immortal Technique sucks.

:confused: :mad:

[HEAD ICE]

Tupac/Trotsky vs Biggie/Stalin?

shit...

http://anarchyfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nestor-makhno.jpghttp://www.nndb.com/people/737/000108413/big-l.jpg

[∞]

Tupac/Trotsky vs Biggie/Stalin?

shit...

http://anarchyfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nestor-makhno.jpghttp://www.nndb.com/people/737/000108413/big-l.jpg

Literally lol

[∞]

http://www.marxists.org/subject/frankfurt-school/group-photo.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hf2EbMJZgGA/STKx1EFPSoI/AAAAAAAAAG8/fpmwSLub1Ek/s400/wu_tang_clan.

Frankfurt School is the Wu Tang Clan?

[∞]

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[Stand Your Ground]

I'm awake cause I'm waiting for my landlord to come get his fucking rent. :mad: I'd be awake anyway, but I'm getting bored waiting.

[Pirate Utopian]

http://hiphopjunky.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/0405_ying_yang_twins_a.jpg http://primeiralinha.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/marx_engels.jpg

[∞]

http://hiphopjunky.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/0405_ying_yang_twins_a.jpg http://primeiralinha.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/marx_engels.jpg

Lolwut?

[∞]

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Dialectical outlook on socio-economics and world politics....HAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEE!