Huey Newton Warned China of pollution/Global Warming.

[Universal Struggle]

Marx's dictum, each according to his abilities to each according to his needs, is in operation here.

But i did not go to china just to admire, iwent to learn and also to critisize, since no society is perfect.

There was little however to find fault with.

The Chinese insist that you find something to criticize.

They beleive strongly in the most self searching examinatiuob, in criticism of others, and in turn, of self.

as they say, without criticism the hinges on the door begin to squeak.

I did have one criticism during a visit to a steel factory.

This factory had thick black smoke pouring into the air, i told the chinese that in the US, there is poloution because factories are spoiling the air, in some places people can hardly breathe.

If the chinese continue to industrialize rapidly, without awareness of the consequences, they will too.

I taled to workers, saying that man is nature, but is also in contradiction to nature, because contradictions are the ruling principle of the universe.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Marx's dictum, each according to his abilities to each according to his needs, is in operation here.

But i did not go to china just to admire, iwent to learn and also to critisize, since no society is perfect.

There was little however to find fault with.

The Chinese insist that you find something to criticize.

They beleive strongly in the most self searching examinatiuob, in criticism of others, and in turn, of self.

as they say, without criticism the hinges on the door begin to squeak.

I did have one criticism during a visit to a steel factory.

This factory had thick black smoke pouring into the air, i told the chinese that in the US, there is poloution because factories are spoiling the air, in some places people can hardly breathe.

If the chinese continue to industrialize rapidly, without awareness of the consequences, they will too.

I taled to workers, saying that man is nature, but is also in contradiction to nature, because contradictions are the ruling principle of the universe.

This is very true, but I can't help but point out that, unless Capitalism is eliminated, our climate will never be allowed to change.

[Universal Struggle]

So although they were trying to raise their standard of living, they might also negate the process if they failed to handle that contradiction in a rational way.

I explained that man opposes nature, but man is also the internal contradiction in nature.

Therefore while he is trying to reverse the struggle of opposites based upon unity, he might also eliminate himself.

They understood this and said they were seeking to remedy this problem.

[scarletghoul]

Where is this from ? Revolutionary Suicide ?

[Universal Struggle]

yeah lol as usual

[Crusade]

I love revolutionary suicide. <3 The way Huey managed himself in the hole was amazing.

[Universal Struggle]

yeah, doing zen positions, imagine deficating into a hole in the ground in the dark, and when it fills up wollowing in your own filth.

He dedicates 2 chapters of shitting on eldrige one called eldrige the defector and reactionary lmao.

His love for Bobby hutton is clear aswell.

One thing i do not like about huey, was when elaine brown challenged him at a cc meeting, about women panthers only being allowed to date party members, she said, all us women do as much work as yall niggers, he gave hre the coldest stare ever, and said the meeting was over.

He also lived in a penthouse, which is a bit decadent.

[Crusade]

yeah, doing zen positions, imagine deficating into a hole in the ground in the dark, and when it fills up wollowing in your own filth.

He dedicates 2 chapters of shitting on eldrige one called eldrige the defector and reactionary lmao.

His love for Bobby hutton is clear aswell.

One thing i do not like about huey, was when elaine brown challenged him at a cc meeting, about women panthers only being allowed to date party members, she said, all us women do as much work as yall niggas, he gave hre the coldest stare ever, and said the meeting was over.

He also lived in a penthouse, which is a bit decadent.

Fixed :lol:

And I'mnot sure what the reasoning was behind that. It could have been the disrespect itself that bothered him, but even that wouldn't excuse it. His father being a preacher and being around the church gave him the sense of community that ultimately inspired his communist beliefs, but he said he wasn't a christian in the book as well so I don't know if the role of women carried over with him as well? But he supported both feminist and gay rights activists so I don't think he's a sexist. Maybe he just got butthurt over disrespect or something?

[Saorsa]

Tbh I think it's because, like a hell of a lot of macho revolutionary men at the time, he was a sexist and homophobic guy.

This doesn't negate his massive contributions to the revolutionary movement or deflect from his status as a hero and a martyr, but it should be noted. The BPP was in many ways a very male hetero chauvinist organisation.

[Crusade]

Tbh I think it's because, like a hell of a lot of macho revolutionary men at the time, he was a sexist and homophobic guy.

This doesn't negate his massive contributions to the revolutionary movement or deflect from his status as a hero and a martyr, but it should be noted. The BPP was in many ways a very male hetero chauvinist organisation.

Tupac's mother was a panther and he brought up that sexism was even prevalent in the panthers, but she still ended up rising through the ranks and what not.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Didn't John Lennon & Yoko also group up with the Panthers to help spread their messages of social justice (during the times when John embraced Socialism) & free love?

[Universal Struggle]

During the past few years strong movements have developed among women and among homosexuals seeking their liberation. There has been some uncertainty about how to relate to these movements.

Whatever your personal opinions and your insecurities about homosexuality and the various liberation movements among homosexuals and women (and I speak of the homosexuals and women as oppressed groups), we should try to unite with them in a revolutionary fashion. I say "whatever your insecurities are" because as we very well know, sometimes our first instinct is to want to hit a homosexual in the mouth, and want a woman to be quiet. We want to hit a homosexual in the mouth because we are afraid that we might be homosexual; and we want to hit the women or shut her up because we are afraid that she might castrate us, or take the nuts that we might not have to start with.

We must gain security in ourselves and therefore have respect and feelings for all oppressed people.

[Universal Struggle]

We must not use the racist attitude that the White racists use against our people because they are Black and poor. Many times the poorest White person is the most racist because he is afraid that he might lose something, or discover something that he does not have. So you're some kind of a threat to him. This kind of psychology is in operation when we view oppressed people and we are angry with them because of their particular kind of behavior, or their particular kind of deviation from the established norm.

Remember, we have not established a revolutionary value system; we are only in the process of establishing it. I do not remember our ever constituting any value that said that a revolutionary must say offensive things towards homosexuals, or that a revolutionary should make sure that women do not speak out about their own particular kind of oppression. As a matter of fact, it is just the opposite: we say that we recognize the women's right to be free.

[Universal Struggle]

we must relate to the gay movement because it is a real thing. And I know through reading, and through my life experience and observations that homosexuals are not given freedom and liberty by anyone in the society. They might be the most oppressed people in the society.And what made them homosexual? Perhaps it's a phenomenon that I don't understand entirely. Some people say that it is the decadence of capitalism. I don't know if that is the case; I rather doubt it. But whatever the case is, we know that homosexuality is a fact that exists, and we must understand it in its purest form: that is, a person should have the freedom to use his body in whatever way he wants.

That is not endorsing things in homosexuality that we wouldn't view as revolutionary. But there is nothing to say that a homosexual cannot also be a revolutionary. And maybe I'm now injecting some of my prejudice by saying that "even a homosexual can be a revolutionary." Quite the contrary, maybe a homosexual could be the most revolutionary

[~Spectre]

He also lived in a penthouse, which is a bit decadent.


Who cares?

[Universal Struggle]

Panthers who lived in tiny appartments, with rats taking over, as huey described housing conditions on the block, but then he fucked off to a penthouse and left the people, then again, it could have been for security reasons.

[Crusade]

Panthers who lived in tiny appartments, with rats taking over, as huey described housing conditions on the block, but then he fucked off to a penthouse and left the people, then again, it could have been for security reasons.

He was shot by a drug dealer in the ghetto long after the panthers fell out. It's ridiculous to blast him for leaving that neighborhood where "the people" were. Every one of those people want to do the same thing.

[Universal Struggle]

after i read revolutionary suicide, i found out huey was found guilty by a panther court of stealing funds from the breakfast programe to buy drugs, i know he was an addict, and we shouldnt demonise him, but it did make me really dissapointed, how after all his struggle, huey opted for reactionary suicide.

[Crusade]

after i read revolutionary suicide, i found out huey was found guilty by a panther court of stealing funds from the breakfast programe to buy drugs, i know he was an addict, and we shouldnt demonise him, but it did make me really dissapointed, how after all his struggle, huey opted for reactionary suicide.

Yeah I know. It's insanely disappointing, but at the same time completely understandable after all that he went through. All we can really do is learn from his mistakes and try to get it right this time. I actually think the entire premise of his book was wrong. We won't bring about change by having great men give their life for the people or "revolutionary suicide" as he called it. We'll only see great change when EVERYONE starts caring about their own life and the others around them. Every one of us needs to do every thing in our power to stay alive, spread the word, and take our WORLD back. We don't need any more "martyrs"., If any of us here became a "martyr" for anything it's not likely our cause would be properly represented and our legacy would be an accurate depiction of who we really are. The panthers are known as the black KKK in America. We're better off doing what we're doing now than any "revolutionary suicide" missions, in my opinion.

[scarletghoul]

The panthers are known as the black KKK in America.
Even in black communities ? I always thought they'd made a big impression that had a legacy of revolutionary ideas among the people (aswell as some gangster stuff).. Its like the IRA martyrs, they're called terrorists by the English but to many Irish they are inspiring heroes.

A lot of people who died in the struggle are demonised by the bourgeoisie (like the panthers are), however this doesn't mean they were wrong to fight; it means we have to counter the misinformation and to uphold our fallen heroes.

We don't need any more "martyrs"., If any of us here became a "martyr" for anything it's not likely our cause would be properly represented and our legacy would be an accurate depiction of who we really are. The panthers are known as the black KKK in America. We're better off doing what we're doing now than any "revolutionary suicide" missions, in my opinion. I think revolutionary suicide is a valid concept. It doesn't just mean going around being militant with a gun and dying young, it just means advancing the struggle even if its at your personal expense. In a decaying capitalist world where self-destruction is the way of life, people must embrace RS if they want to make a differance. It's not about becoming a martyr, its about accepting your death and making it a posetive thing.

And yeah martyrs arnt a bad thing tho. But youre right they shouldnt be deliberately accumulated.. I just think your interpretation of revolutionary suicide is a little too narrow.


after i read revolutionary suicide, i found out huey was found guilty by a panther court of stealing funds from the breakfast programe to buy drugs, i know he was an addict, and we shouldnt demonise him, but it did make me really dissapointed, how after all his struggle, huey opted for reactionary suicide. Yeah he completely fucking degenerated, it's truly tragic and makes me really sad. But it was at the hands of the government, who introduced dope into the community as a repressive measure against the revolutionary blacks. This attack killed countless people, including ultimately Huey. So it is 'reactionary suicide' when viewed in the short term, but I think in the long term view it can be considered a painfully long death, a result of his earlier revolutionary suicide. He started dying in the 70s, and yes he should have been stronger in the face of such chemical warfare, but ultimately he was murdered by reactionary forces. I think it was a revolutionary suicide with a painful protracted conclusion.

Edit - Huey would have appreciated this - what happened was a dialectical transformation, whereby revolutionary suicide became its opposite. The quantitive intensification of the conflict resulted in a qualititive change that tore apart the psychy of the revolutionary vanguard aswell as the people.

There were already contradictions, specifically a grave insecurity and the selfdestruction, among the oppressed communities* (the insecurity is exemplified in Huey. Any videos of him talking show how nervous he was, and he recognised this.), and this insecurity was of course magnified hugely by the influx of dope. The reactionary forces managed to overcome the revolutionary forces in the overall struggle** by exploiting the contradictions among the people, increasing the insecurity and tendency to self-destruction, via psycho-chemical means (just look at a video of Huey from the mid-70s onwards, he's even more nervous and insecure).

*A 'contradiction among the people', in Maoist terms
**A 'contradiction between the people and the enemy'

[Robocommie]

This is why I think the drug problem in America is one of the worst problems facing the class struggle in the US. When people become affected by the sickness of addiction, it turns them into slaves. Nothing else matters compared to getting a fix, and even as heroin or crack kills them, slowly or quickly, they sell out everything dear to them and will destroy their own lives in order to get that fix. It's awful, it's horrifying to see a human being degraded so badly - and more than anybody else it affects the working class and the lumpenproletariat.

But it's also pretty obvious that what bourgeois capitalism has been doing to address it isn't doing all that much at all.

[28350]

HYPOTHETICALLY Let's sell drugs to congressmen and factory owners.

[Crusade]

Even in black communities

Yeah. Everyone I know, even in my family, consistently uses the panthers as the black version of white hate groups. Fred Hampton went to the same high school I did and there's a lot of information on him there, thankfully, but it's not really common knowledge anywhere outside of the south and west side of Chicago, let alone the country. But not many people consistently know black american history outside of MLK in America anyway.

[scarletghoul]

Damn, that's actually fucking horrible. I guess groups like the NBPP don't help.

[Ocean Seal]

This is very true, but I can't help but point out that, unless Capitalism is eliminated, our climate will never be allowed to change.
Ironically, capitalism is the source of climate change :D.

[Crusade]

Damn, that's actually fucking horrible. I guess groups like the NBPP don't help.

Not at all. It's tiring having to make the distinction between the two.

[~Spectre]

Panthers who lived in tiny appartments, with rats taking over, as huey described housing conditions on the block, but then he fucked off to a penthouse and left the people, then again, it could have been for security reasons.


Even if it wasn't for security reasons, what exactly would him living in poorer conditions have fixed?

[Sendo]

Marx's dictum, each according to his abilities to each according to his needs, is in operation here.

But i did not go to china just to admire, iwent to learn and also to critisize, since no society is perfect.

There was little however to find fault with.

The Chinese insist that you find something to criticize.

They beleive strongly in the most self searching examinatiuob, in criticism of others, and in turn, of self.

as they say, without criticism the hinges on the door begin to squeak.

I did have one criticism during a visit to a steel factory.

This factory had thick black smoke pouring into the air, i told the chinese that in the US, there is poloution because factories are spoiling the air, in some places people can hardly breathe.

If the chinese continue to industrialize rapidly, without awareness of the consequences, they will too.

I taled to workers, saying that man is nature, but is also in contradiction to nature, because contradictions are the ruling principle of the universe.

They aren't in denial of it. And also htere have been direct correlations of Chinese pollution with Western demand for Chinese assembly labor since the export/capitalist section of the economy pollutes the most.

In fact, Europe is probably the worst for CO2. They have such a high quality of life, but less accessible than any other continent (hence why the EU is trying to facilitate intra-European movement....America, East Asia, Australia, and India are easily serviced by cargo ships). Most of what Europeans enjoy is produced elsewhere.

Also China spends more on green energy than the US.