A question about Israel/Palestine

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I am arguing with a Zionist over Twitter, about the recent murders that took place in international waters. The debate has escalated and we are on the subject of missiles. My question (perhaps a noob question) is, with regards to the exchanges of missile fire that took place not long ago between Israel and Gaza, "who fired first" so to speak?

Obviously the argument is bigger than this, but I am hopeful of some evidence of Israeli aggression that initiated this. What I am really hoping for is for someone to tell me that Israel fired first and Gaza retaliated, is this the case?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Actually never mind, I've found some stuff on the subject. Sorry for making this thread, it can be trashed if necessary.

[lombas]

I think asking the question "who started" in the Israeli-Palestine conflict is not only impossible to answer but also irrelevant in respect to the general moral, proportional and historical view of the situation.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I was not asking "who started the conflict", but who fired the first missile. It was necessary for the argument I am having.

[lombas]

I was not asking "who started the conflict", but who fired the first missile. It was necessary for the argument I am having.

In that case, I'm even more interested in what your answer would be in that argument, for I would give exactly the same remark as I did in my first post.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

It is a pointless argument that is based upon numbers and events, and not a historical viewpoint. I just wondered who fired the first rocket, as he was using that conflict as a basis for his pro-Israeli argument.

All I wanted were facts relating to that incident in order to form an argument.

[RED DAVE]

It is a pointless argument that is based upon numbers and events, and not a historical viewpoint. I just wondered who fired the first rocket, as he was using that conflict as a basis for his pro-Israeli argument.

All I wanted were facts relating to that incident in order to form an argument.You can't extract any one incident in that manner and provide a convincing argument. No matter who fired the first rocket, the true issue is the nature of the Jewish settlement in Palestine and its relationship to imperialism.

RED DAVE

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

That is true, but the person I was arguing with will not admit that or try to even understand that. It was a pointless argument which ended in him listing reasons as to why Israel can justifiably murder aid-transporters and me attacking those reasons. All I wanted was an objective set of facts (that weren't from any zionist source) regarding the missile situation as he was using that as a defence for hostility towards Gaza, whilst completely disregarding imperialism as a root cause to the issue of Palestine as a whole. Needless to say he didn't change his tune, but that is never going to happen with a chairman of a branch of the Young Conservatives...

Can this be closed anyway?

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