7 Year Old Girl Killed By Police During Reality TV Show

[The Vegan Marxist]

Remember the story about the 7 year old black girl that was killed by the Detroit police during a house raid? Well apparently this raid was being done for a reality tv series. Now that's fucked up!


Reality series crew was with Detroit police during search where 7-year-old girl was killed
By COREY WILLIAMS and ED WHITE | ASSOCIATED PRESS | May 18, 10

Events leading up to the shooting death of a 7-year-old girl at the hands of a Detroit officer may have been videotaped by a crime-reality series camera crew that was with police as they searched a family home for a homicide suspect.

What's on the video could reveal if Aiyana Jones was fatally shot by an officer whose gun mistakenly discharged inside the house, as police say, or if claims of a "cover up" by an attorney for Aiyana's family are true.

Police have said officers threw a flash grenade through the first-floor window of the two-family home early Sunday and that an officer's gun discharged during a struggle or after a collision with the girl's grandmother. The crew for the A&E series "The First 48" was with police during the weekend raid.

Lawyer Geoffrey Fieger, who is representing Aiyana's family, said he has seen video of the siege and that the police account was full of "utter fabrications." He said a video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch. He would not say if the footage he saw was from the A&E crew.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said Monday. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation."

"Aiyana Jones was shot from outside on the porch," said Fieger, who planned to speak about Aiyana's death more on Tuesday.

Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said police want that tape.

"If Mr. Fieger has access to anything that would be evidence in this case, he should, as an officer of the court, get it immediately to the Michigan State Police, which will be investigating," Godbee said in an e-mail.

Godbee also said the police department has asked for footage shot by "The First 48" crew, which has been in Detroit for several months while shadowing homicide investigators on a nearly daily basis. Neither Godbee nor A&E would say whether that request was granted.

A&E spokesman Dan Silberman said the network would not comment about the case, and he denied a request by The Associated Press for its footage.

The crew was on-hand Friday following the shooting death of a 17-year-old Detroit high school student outside a party store not far from Aiyana's home. When the elite Special Response Team prepared to raid the ramshackle duplex early Sunday to look for the suspect in the teen's slaying, a camera also may have been rolling.

The police department declined to say whether it was being paid by the television show.

Fieger said more than one camera was recording at the scene and that the footage he saw includes sound.

"The videotape shows clearly that the assistant police chief and the officers on the scene are engaging in an intentional cover up of the events," Fieger said.

Police have said the target of the raid, a 34-year-old man, was arrested in the upstairs unit of the duplex. Police had warrants to search both units, and family members of the slain girl were seen going in and out of both on Monday. The suspect has not been charged, and it was not immediately clear what relationship he had to the slain girl.

The case has been handed over to the Michigan State Police to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said.

Police have not identified the officer whose gun fired the shot that killed Aiyana. Godbee said he is a 14-year veteran with six to seven years on the Special Response Team and that he has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.

The officer was cleared following a nonfatal shooting last summer in which police returned fire after being were fired upon by someone barricaded in a house, Godbee said.

The Detroit police department has been under two court-ordered consent decrees since 2003 aimed at, among other things, correcting how and when its officers use force on suspects.


Source (http://www.newser.com/article/d9fp3utg0/reality-series-crew-was-with-detroit-police-during-search-where-7-year-old-girl-was-killed.html)

[Barry Lyndon]

This is really sick. Capitalist repression and the opium of the masses come together.

[leftace53]

Its ridiculous that there is a demand for this kind of reality TV. How the fuck do you just sit there on your couch watching this shit, and sleep well at night. Capitalism is beyond ridiculous.

[Mumbles]

I hate the tense of this article just as much as a hate the content. They make it sound as if she got in the way then at the end they mention in 3 short sentences that they aren't even sure if she was related to the guy they were after.

[ContrarianLemming]

I hate to break with the others but this really has little to do with capitalism, this is a dumb fuck doing a stupid thing. He didn't shoot into the porch blindly because he was a class traitor, he did it because he was incompetant, it was covered up to save face for these guys, which could happen in comumnism, easy.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I hate to break with the others but this really has little to do with capitalism, this is a dumb fuck doing a stupid thing. He didn't shoot into the porch blindly because he was a class traitor, he did it because he was incompetant, it was covered up to save face for these guys, which could happen in comumnism, easy.

These reality tv shows are part of Capitalism though, & imagine if the girl wasn't killed, but the raid continued, & could've led to the arrest of the wrong person. This would be seen by those watching this stupid fucking show & think that the "bad guy" was caught. These tv shows are just as bogus as Capitalism is.

[Barry Lyndon]

I hate to break with the others but this really has little to do with capitalism, this is a dumb fuck doing a stupid thing. He didn't shoot into the porch blindly because he was a class traitor, he did it because he was incompetant, it was covered up to save face for these guys, which could happen in comumnism, easy.

This IS a result of capitalism. In a society based on providing for human need, not profit, we wouldn't have law enforcement behaving in a neighborhood like an occupying army, instead of as part of the community. The function of police in capitalist society-to protect the property of the capitalist class, and to keep the 'dangerous classes' in their place-directly leads to tragedies like this one in Detroit.

[ContrarianLemming]

These reality tv shows are part of Capitalism though, & imagine if the girl wasn't killed, but the raid continued, & could've led to the arrest of the wrong person. This would be seen by those watching this stupid fucking show & think that the "bad guy" was caught. These tv shows are just as bogus as Capitalism is.

I still don't see the conection, are you claiming ther wont be any more reality sohws in communism? No more britians got talent?

[ContrarianLemming]

This IS a result of capitalism. In a society based on providing for human need, not profit, we wouldn't have law enforcement behaving in a neighborhood like an occupying army, instead of as part of the community. The function of police in capitalist society-to protect the property of the capitalist class, and to keep the 'dangerous classes' in their place-directly leads to tragedies like this one in Detroit.

I still don't see the connection, this really just seems like a stupid cop. We don't need to interpret everything like this, if we go so ffar to interpret things lke that this, then capitalism killed kermit the frog and makes me itchy on sundays*

*this may be true

[Obs]

This IS a result of capitalism. In a society based on providing for human need, not profit, we wouldn't have law enforcement behaving in a neighborhood like an occupying army, instead of as part of the community. The function of police in capitalist society-to protect the property of the capitalist class, and to keep the 'dangerous classes' in their place-directly leads to tragedies like this one in Detroit.
I couldn't have said it better myself.


I still don't see the connection, this really just seems like a stupid cop. We don't need to interpret everything like this, if we go so ffar to interpret things lke that this, then capitalism killed kermit the frog and makes me itchy on sundays*

*this may be true
It's not just the fault of the individual cop, it's the fault of a system that requires arrests to be made through assaulting a home with automatic weapons.

[ContrarianLemming]

It's not just the fault of the individual cop, it's the fault of a system that requires arrests to be made through assaulting a home with automatic weapons.

Which has nothing to do with capitalism, if we lived in communism and we knew a dangerious armed homicidal maniac lived somehwere, I think we'd bring in a gun or two. Also note how not all capitalist nations do this, so it's not a feature of capitalism

[The Vegan Marxist]

Which has nothing to do with capitalism, if we lived in communism and we knew a dangerious armed homicidal maniac lived somehwere, I think we'd bring in a gun or two. Also note how not all capitalist nations do this, so it's not a feature of capitalism

We wouldn't be going guns blazing into a house like they did if this was under Communism, that's for damn sure.

[The Red Next Door]

We wouldn't be going guns blazing into a house like they did if this was under Communism, that's for damn sure.

Well, if it some nazis or some reactionary house, never say never.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Well, if it some nazis or some reactionary house, never say never.

Under Communism, there'd be an end to Class difference. So the likely hood of there being a Nazi left is slim to none.

[ContrarianLemming]

We wouldn't be going guns blazing into a house like they did if this was under Communism, that's for damn sure.

S in communism, stupidity will be eliminated?

We are utopian sometimes

[GreenCommunism]

there may be less excuse to raid a house like a small bag of marijuana, but i'm sure such blunders will happen anyway. there is a bad attitude among cops though, in short they behave like a street gang, they cover each other up and so on. i find it hypocritical that they basicly spent all their work on catching people who break laws, but when they break a law, they cover each other up, and anyone who denounce his colleague are snitches or so.

[The Vegan Marxist]

S in communism, stupidity will be eliminated?

We are utopian sometimes

You were calling the cop stupid, now you're calling the raid by fully armed policemen as an act of stupidity? No! That was an act supported by the system! We're not saying stupidity will be abolished, but acts such as what happened in Detroit will be prevented a hell of a lot better under Communism.

[Red Commissar]

I don't want to come off sounding dismissive but I don't think this is anything new. Shortly after the girl was murdered, news quickly found out the crew was being filmed by "The First 48" crew.

It's because of that people speculated that the cops were trying to act bad ass in front of the cameras and broke the usual protocol (such as the use of a flashbang and firing into the house).

The only good thing that came out of the footage is that it contradicted the police account.

[Obs]

You were calling the cop stupid, now you're calling the raid by fully armed policemen as an act of stupidity? No! That was an act supported by the system! We're not saying stupidity will be abolished, but acts such as what happened in Detroit will be prevented a hell of a lot better under Communism.

Ha, you actually believe things will be any better under Communism? Gee, guys, sure is Utopia in here, huh?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Ha, you actually believe things will be any better under Communism? Gee, guys, sure is Utopia in here, huh?

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

[Obs]

Yeah, I was joking, sorry.

[Across The Street]

Seriously? If you don't believe in the probability of things getting better once people embrace better ideas, why the hell are you here?

[ContrarianLemming]

To be frank, the athmosphere of this site populated almost entirely by communists is certainly far less friendly and open and more agressive and sectarian then the moderate liberal forum I'm active in. This forum has made me question communism more then anything else, given how unpleasant communists here are, and we claim to build a better future, then I look at comments like vegan marxists and wonder..

A purely anarchist forum I'm a member of got me back on track

[The Vegan Marxist]

To be frank, the athmosphere of this site populated almost entirely by communists is certainly far less friendly and open and more agressive and sectarian then the moderate liberal forum I'm active in. This forum has made me question communism more then anything else, given how unpleasant communists here are, and we claim to build a better future, then I look at comments like vegan marxists and wonder..

A purely anarchist forum I'm a member of got me back on track

My comments are in question because why exactly? I remember you questioning the idea that crime in a present-capitalist system, in which this crime was committed by the police themselves, is in result because of capitalism. We explained how it is, yet here you are now calling us "aggressive" & "not open". Maybe you should stick to that other forum you're in.

Also, anarchism is another form of Communism. And to question Communism, then you're questioning Anarchism as well. Unless you're an individualist anarchist, then that clears some questions up.

[Barry Lyndon]

To be frank, the athmosphere of this site populated almost entirely by communists is certainly far less friendly and open and more agressive and sectarian then the moderate liberal forum I'm active in.

Maybe that is because liberals #1 priority is not 'offending' anybody, rather then actually trying to get at the truth.

[Proletarian Ultra]

S in communism, stupidity will be eliminated?

We are utopian sometimes

We're liberal sometimes too, liberal.

[ContrarianLemming]

I remember you questioning the idea that crime in a present-capitalist system, in which this crime was committed by the police themselves, is in result because of capitalism.

oh no! I questioned the general consensus? Dissent on revleft? This is exactly what happens anytime someone disagrees with the general consensus, insulted, marginalized, accusations, agression. I say this police officers stupidity was his own, I am an individualist, or worse, a liberal.


We explained how it is, yet here you are now calling us "aggressive" & "not open". Maybe you should stick to that other forum you're in. It's not what you explain, it's how you explain it.



Also, anarchism is another form of Communism. And to question Communism, then you're questioning Anarchism as wellobviously
Not criticizing communism, I'm critcizing communists.

[Coggeh]

oh no! I questioned the general consensus? Dissent on revleft? This is exactly what happens anytime someone disagrees with the general consensus, insulted, marginalized, accusations, agression. I say this police officers stupidity was his own, I am an individualist, or worse, a liberal.

Unlike stupidity you can prevent the very nature of a state froce breaking into homes guns blazing, like barry lydons post said earlier :
This IS a result of capitalism. In a society based on providing for human need, not profit, we wouldn't have law enforcement behaving in a neighborhood like an occupying army, instead of as part of the community. The function of police in capitalist society-to protect the property of the capitalist class, and to keep the 'dangerous classes' in their place-directly leads to tragedies like this one in Detroit.Law enforcement should be done by the community not by armed thugs if it was this sort of event could have been fully preventable.

[Obs]

oh no! I questioned the general consensus? Dissent on revleft? This is exactly what happens anytime someone disagrees with the general consensus, insulted, marginalized, accusations, agression. I say this police officers stupidity was his own, I am an individualist, or worse, a liberal.
This is exactly what happens anytime someone is called on when they say something blatantly wrong and is proven to be wrong on Revleft, they huff and puff and get offended instead of learning from it. People tell you you're wrong, you... well, you pull this stunt.


It's not what you explain, it's how you explain it.
:crying:

[vampire squid]

what can we do? the working class demands reality tv shows about police, who are working class, like all reality television actors (since they dont own the means of production)

[ContrarianLemming]

This is exactly what happens anytime someone is called on when they say something blatantly wrong and is proven to be wrong on Revleft, they huff and puff and get offended instead of learning from it. People tell you you're wrong, you... well, you pull this stunt.


:crying:

I don't care about been proven wrong, I am proud of the fact that I am always grateful to be proven wrong, you're just being a git, fanning the flame

[Dr. Fish]

My comments are in question because why exactly? I remember you questioning the idea that crime in a present-capitalist system, in which this crime was committed by the police themselves, is in result because of capitalism. We explained how it is, yet here you are now calling us "aggressive" & "not open". Maybe you should stick to that other forum you're in.

Also, anarchism is another form of Communism. And to question Communism, then you're questioning Anarchism as well. Unless you're an individualist anarchist, then that clears some questions up.
1) I would not consider anarchism to be a part of communism. Maybe it's because I came from Bakunin and you came from Marx, we speak different languages (and by that I eman speaking in different terms), but seeing as Bakuninn looked across the spectrum a bit more, and Noam Chomsky's clarity of "Libertarian Socialist" and "Authoritarian Socialist" is quite clear and brilliant (although I have a slight feeling that Rudolf Rocker made the 'socialism is an umbrella' explanation... or maybe it was both Bakunin and Marx, collectivist socialism and communist socialist, or in Marx's offensice lingo, 'scientific socialism' and 'utopian socialism')... but apart from theory into practice we still have the bickering. The Communists fighting the Anarchists in, gee, every interaction they've had where capitalism had almost vanished, shows that anarchists are not communists.
The point I'll get across is this, Socialism is the root, Anarchism and Communism are branches.
Also, your last sentance just stretches and pisses on logic, and is really more of an insult than an input to discussion, which, unless I am mistaken, what this forum is supposed to be about.

what can we do? the working class demands reality tv shows about police, who are working class, like all reality television actors (since they dont own the means of production)
I get what you're saying, but I would not say that reality tv is always about working class people. I have seen people watch many shows about rich pop idols and other nonsense where the focus of the show is some rich person, who is supposed to be a bait for the people to keep jumping at so they don't realise the chains around their feet. (Bought priesthood: 1 ; proletariat: 0)
And I might have a small complex about completely identifying the police with the working class. I'll admit the police to be from working class background, but it'd be lying to say they're pro-working class or anything necessarily good.