Scientology in all its batshit craziness!

[Universal Struggle]

Scientologists believe that 75 million years ago an evil galactic ruler, named Xenu, solved overpopulation by bringing trillions of people to Earth in DC-8 space planes, stacking them around volcanoes and nuking them.

Then the souls of these dead space aliens were captured and boxed up and taken to cinemas where they were shown films of what life should be like, false ideas containing God, the devil and Christ and told to get ill.

After that they supposedly clustered together and now inhabit our bodies.

Scientologists believe that if they rid themselves of these body thetans then they will be healthier and will gain special powers like mind-over-matter.

Some Scientologists spend $360,000 for all this. None of them gain any special powers except the power to delude themselves.

Meh... Makes more sense than believing a jewish zombie can grant us eternal life if we pray to his dad and pretend to eat his flesh and drink his blood. :)

[graymouser]

Scientology formed in the early 50s, as sort of a crude DIY version of Freudian psychoanalysis. L. Ron Hubbard was a hell of a character, a science fiction writer with some delusions of grandeur who re-formed it as a religion when the straightforward self help of Dianetics faltered. He was a devout anticommunist and reported a number of his followers who deviated from him as communists to the FBI - back when that was not an empty charge. FWIW, people don't find out about the Xenu shit until they're deep into the cult, and the cognitive dissonance causes a lot of them to have total breakdowns.

I've read a number of inside stories from people who went through Scientology and honestly it makes time spent in a political "cult" seem like a walk in the park.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Hail xenu!

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Hail xenu!

Hail our intergalatic overlord!

[Invincible Summer]

I think the fact that L Ron Hubbard is a sci-fi writer also makes the molecules of his credibility fly out the window

[GreenCommunism]

especially when he talks about intergalactic leader. also xenu is to be feared i think, he filled our bodies with thethan.

scientology shouldn't be called more crazy than other religion though. just because they aren't popular, but fact is. they do are cultish. and ron hubbard went through psychiatric hospitals and i can only sympathize with his anti-psychiatry stance, being somewhat opposed to most psychiatric methods myself. but he goes too far.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

How does a pyramid scheme even fit into "religion"? Oh, wait... Nevermind.

[Coelacanth]

"Scientology is a made-up religion." - my wonderful mother

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I don't know, to be honest. I think even though from an objective observer's standpoint Scientology is no more ridiculous than other beliefs, I think it is more ridiculous in a human context. I mean when you reject social norms to believe something that's true, that's quite impressive. But to do it and believe falsely seems to suggest you are incredibly foolish. Not to mention that the religious people delude themselves with tales of the past and "evidence." Scientology can be easily traced back into being a cult.

I dislike Scientology quite strongly. Although other religions are guilty of the same, I think Scientology preys on the mentally vulnerable, especially those with mental illness. This is precisely one of the main reasons they oppose it. Not only do many medications help people struggle through life, but they remove the reliance they have on religious institutions. By setting up a strong opposition to psychiatry now, they can pick up the former Catholics that go off their medications.

Really though, I am unusual in my acceptance of propaganda and lying. I will publicly defend the notion that Scientology is "different from other religions" if it becomes the difference between the state opposing Scientology and the state accepting it. Cutting off mainstream faiths is one thing, but to not stop a monster while their is still time seems completely irresponsible to me.

[RedStarOverChina]

My mom went to a Scientologist university and went through a bit of brainwashing. She was never interested in the religion, but kept telling me L. Ron Hubbard was a "great man". :laugh:

But I think she has recovered from it after countless debates I had with her when I was young.

[Jazzhands]

Scientology is the most capitalist of all "religions" if you can even put it in the same category. They have all the things not even governments are supposed to have. For instance, the Rehabilitation Project Force is their own personal Gulag system, and the Office of Special Affairs is a secret police organization.

[mikelepore]

Craziness ... as opposed to the _reasonable_ religious beliefs, like Adam and Eve, and Noah's Ark ...

[ReDSC]

Project Chanology is one of the few causes in which I agree with "Anonymous."

[Revy]

Those beliefs listed in the original post aren't the beliefs that Scientology promotes to the public.:rolleyes:

This is what they do:

http://stuffunemployedpeoplelike.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/scientology-free-stress-test.jpg

That is the e-meter. Some kind of device dreamed up by L. Ron Hubbard. and they use it for "free stress tests" to lure in potential converts.

Scientology has always promised the same thing every religion does to entice new followers: Self-improvement.

I think this is the real issue. People are being swindled into giving their money to a greedy and powerful organization promising a better life based on un-scientific and fraudulent methods.

Scientology was started because L. Ron Hubbard wanted to make a lot of money. Telling people about Xenu dropping nuclear bombs on volcanoes billions of years ago would have weirded too many people out, so those beliefs were intended for a privileged few. What Scientology has always been is an "alternative" to psychiatry.

[Lulznet]

Craziness ... as opposed to the _reasonable_ religious beliefs, like Adam and Eve, and Noah's Ark ...
Implying that they're as crazy as Scientology. :lol:

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

Hail our intergalatic overlord!
No! Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

[Richard Nixon]

Its in a way a spiritual descendent of the "mystery" cults in Classical times and also the Gnostic heresies of mediaeval Europe.

[Jazzhands]

Its in a way a spiritual descendent of the "mystery" cults in Classical times and also the Gnostic heresies of mediaeval Europe.

A useful post??? From a reactionary??????? Holy shit! :lol: :thumbup1:

[CountryKid]

No more worse off than the other faiths out there.

[CountryKid]

Many people are talking bad about Scientology, but I bet most haven't even picked up any of their books to read.. :rolleyes:

[#FF0000]

Many people are talking bad about Scientology, but I bet most haven't even picked up any of their books to read.. :rolleyes:

I don't see why that matters when it was explicitly started to make money and are shady as fuck anyway.

[CountryKid]

I don't see why that matters when it was explicitly started to make money and are shady as fuck anyway.

Proof?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

L. Ron Hubbard "served" in the US Navy with Robert Heinlein during or after WWII. Heinlein was another science fiction writer who's career dated before the end of the war. He predicted the use of nukes would end the war a few months before it did. He received a visit from the FBI for this. Anyway supposedly Hubbard made a bet with Heinlein that he could become rich by inventing his own religion. I guess he won the bet.

Hubbard wrote a series of massively thick science fiction novels which are supposed to convey important philosophic and political "truths". A friend of mine read some of them years ago. I thumbed though his series, it looked pretty much like hack writing to me.

When Hubbard created Scientology some people from the Dianetics group split, viewing it as legitimate therapy as opposed to the cult Hubbard turned it into. It works on uncovering repressions and seems to a version of Freud.

[CountryKid]

L. Ron Hubbard "served" in the US Navy with Robert Heinlein during or after WWII. Heinlein was another science fiction writer who's career dated before the end of the war. He predicted the use of nukes would end the war a few months before it did. He received a visit from the FBI for this. Anyway supposedly Hubbard made a bet with Heinlein that he could become rich by inventing his own religion. I guess he won the bet.

Do you have a source for this?


When Hubbard created Scientology some people from the Dianetics group split, viewing it as legitimate therapy as opposed to the cult Hubbard turned it into. It works on uncovering repressions and seems to a version of Freud.

There are Freezone Scientologists out there, yes. They operate away from the Church.

[#FF0000]

Proof?

You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.
Response to a question from the audience during a meeting of the Eastern Science Fiction Association on (7 November 1948), as quoted in a 1994 affidavit by Sam Moskowitz.
This statement is similar or identical to several statements Hubbard is reported to have made to various individuals or groups in the 1940s. Variants include:
The incident is stamped indelibly in my mind because of one statement that Ron Hubbard made. What led him to say what he did I can't recall — but in so many words Hubbard said: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!"
L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd A. Eshbach, in 1949; as quoted by Eshbach in his autobiography Over My Shoulder: Reflections On A Science Fiction Era (1983) ISBN 1-880418-11-8

[CountryKid]

You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

Response to a question from the audience during a meeting of the Eastern Science Fiction Association on (7 November 1948), as quoted in a 1994 affidavit by Sam Moskowitz.
This statement is similar or identical to several statements Hubbard is reported to have made to various individuals or groups in the 1940s. Variants include:
The incident is stamped indelibly in my mind because of one statement that Ron Hubbard made. What led him to say what he did I can't recall — but in so many words Hubbard said: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!"
L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd A. Eshbach, in 1949; as quoted by Eshbach in his autobiography Over My Shoulder: Reflections On A Science Fiction Era (1983) ISBN 1-880418-11-8



Did L. Ron Hubbard state that the way to make money was to start a religion?

No.
This is an unfounded rumor. One individual once claimed L. Ron Hubbard made such a comment during a lecture in 1948. The only two people who could be found who attended that very lecture in 1948 denied that Mr. Hubbard ever made this statement. And Mr. Hubbard himself certainly denied it.
Another famous writer from the same era who did make such a statement was George Orwell, who wrote to a friend in 1938 that “there might be a lot of cash in starting a new religion.” His letter was later published as part of a collection of letters which was circulated widely. It seems that Orwell’s comment has been misattributed to Mr. Hubbard. This was recognized by courts in Germany who enjoined those who had attributed such a statement to Mr. Hubbard from repeating it.

[#FF0000]

Except he's said it more than once. And the very design of the Church is that of a pyramid scheme where you have to pay more to get higher on through it.

I mean if you want to be a useful idiot for Scientology, be my guest. I'm usually p. cool with people and their religions, but if someone is a Scientologist, then they are an abject fucking moron regardless, no matter how much I love Beck.

[CountryKid]

The thing is, is that someone can be a Scientologist, but only spend $20 on Dianetics to help change their life.

Not everyone seeks to become an Operating Thetan.

[#FF0000]

The thing is, is that someone can be a Scientologist, but only spend $20 on Dianetics to help change their life.

Not everyone seeks to become an Operating Thetan.

It was a book written in the 50s by a failed sci-fi writer who also happened to be a megalomaniac.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Admittedly its anecdotal. Hubbard was a well known SF writer from the classic 30s-50s age of the "pulps". Theodore Sturgeon mentioned it and I believe Heinlein himself mentioned it in the intro to one of his later novels. Anyway google "L. Ron Hubbard Heinlein" and you'll come up with several hundred references.

Whether or not this story is true, enough evidence from former members as well as from outsiders has come out convincing me that something's not right w/this organization. I'm not an an expert in Scientology but I've seen enough to convince me its a cult.

I haven't read any scientology books. I have thumbed though several. I read a lot but there's an incredible amount of information and disinformation out there so I need some basis for discrimination. "Studying" scientology would have as much validity for me as "studying" the 4 cube guy, the Book of Mormon. or the Church of the SubGenius. Good for entertainment value and a few laughs but right now I have to concentrate on reading which will help me understand how the world works.

[CountryKid]

It was a book written in the 50s by a failed sci-fi writer who also happened to be a megalomaniac.

So what?

Muhammad was just some poor guy that happened to find a cave. Look at his works now.

[#FF0000]

So what?

Muhammad was just some poor guy that happened to find a cave. Look at his works now.

Yeah see but that's been around long enough that people can sort of fall for some dumb mystical junk. Meanwhile you have a dude that straight up wrote some nonsense in the 50's and people believe him.

As dumb as I think religious belief is in general, I wouldn't call someone who believes in most religions an idiot. Except for Scientologists.

[Dimentio]

Hm... I belive I've spotted our first scientologist.

[Invincible Summer]

So what?

Muhammad was just some poor guy that happened to find a cave. Look at his works now.

Any good atheist would say that all religion is junk, so no need to start making comparisons.. it's pretty pointless.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Scientology is extremely anti-communist, so shouldn't any scientologists be restricted...

Scientology is a criminal pyramid-scheme with a vile mixture of bad science-fiction nonsense and a pathetic self-help circle-jerk therapy group. They even operate shady "drug-rehabilitation centres" that in area are paid by the local governments as contractors and then funnel more of that money back to the central church to pay off more cops and and build more lavish luxury complexes in Clearwater while they work harder to take over the city administration.

Obviously, there's no such thing as fucking "body thetan" or some Xenu. :laugh:

[CountryKid]

A Thetan is a soul..

[Dimentio]

A Thetan is a soul..

Sorry for being OT, but you are cute. :lol:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

A Thetan is a soul..

There's no soul. :lol:

[CountryKid]

There's no soul. :lol:

I understand an Atheist would believe that.





Also, Cute?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

i understand an atheist would believe that.





Also, cute?

Clear your thetans by auditing to advance to OT-3, sir. What are your crimes? Done something bad recently that you want to share? It will purify your body of the bad alien influences.

[CountryKid]

Clear your thetans by auditing to advance to OT-3, sir. What are your crimes? Done something bad recently that you want to share? It will purify your body of the bad alien influences.

Absolutely wrong.


The Thetan is a soul. You clear Engrams from your Reactionary Mind. It has nothing to do with Aliens.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Absolutely wrong.


The Thetan is a soul. You clear Engrams from your Reactionary Mind. It has nothing to do with Aliens.

Scientology is reactionary and fascist. Just look at David Miscarriage. Read any of old Hubbard's insane anti-communist diatribes perhaps? The old man was a bit angry no one took his paranoid schizophrenia seriously.

[CountryKid]

Scientology is reactionary and fascist. Just look at David Miscarriage. Read any of old Hubbard's insane anti-communist diatribes perhaps? The old man was a bit angry no one took his paranoid schizophrenia seriously.

Nah, I have never read any of his stuff besides Church Scriptures.

:confused:

[RED DAVE]

Absolutely wrong.

The Thetan is a soul. You clear Engrams from your Reactionary Mind. It has nothing to do with Aliens.Absolutely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

RED DAVE

[CountryKid]

Absolutely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

RED DAVE

I am not high enough to hear about this.

Thankyou.

[Dimentio]

Its dangerous to reveal any information of Xenu to people not OT-3. Their minds are not attuned at handling it. :laugh:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I am not high enough to hear about this.

Thankyou.

Sorry to hear that. Your avatar sure is cute though.

[Dean]

I am not high enough to hear about this.

Thankyou.
You don't have to get high to know about Xenu, but I imagine L Ron did. :laugh:

[praxis1966]

Those beliefs listed in the original post aren't the beliefs that Scientology promotes to the public.:rolleyes:

This is what they do:

http://stuffunemployedpeoplelike.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/scientology-free-stress-test.jpg

That is the e-meter. Some kind of device dreamed up by L. Ron Hubbard. and they use it for "free stress tests" to lure in potential converts.

If one needed proof that people who choose to become Scientologists have a decision making disorder, one need look no further than this guy's shirt.

[Emile Armand]

I for one welcome our new alien overlords.

[praxis1966]

I for one welcome our new alien overlords.

I think somebody's been listening to too much Porno for Pyros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkmtweNQ-U