Anarcho-Democrats

[Comrade Gwydion]

We know we've got Socialists/communists and their counterpart the Social Democrats.

Now I wonder, is there any sort of Anarcho-Democrat current in existence worth mentioning?:lol:
If not, how would it look like?



(in all honesty, not sure if this belongs in learning or chit-chat)

[Crusade]

Victims of abuse by the state get put in a safe haven area where they're free to live in a stateless society until they recover. :) Then they're released from the program. Anarchist welfare :laugh:

[ContrarianLemming]

the counterpart to all communists (and Anarchists are communists) are social democrats

[Crusade]

the counterpart to all communists (and Anarchists are communists) are social democrats

Not all of them. Some are collectivists. All anarchists are socialists though, that's true enough.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Isn't the idea of Democrats & Republicans under the containment of the current system they abide by? The republicans pertain their views under the ideal of standing at lines with the unregulated free-market system, whereas the Democrats abide by a reformist perspective view on Capitalism, where regulated Capitalism, although still Capitalism, is put into power.

So the idea of there being an "Anarcho-Democrat", under the same conditions of how we perceive Democrats within the political spectrum, there's really no difference between them & Anarcho-Capitalists.

In other words, to all "Anarcho-Democrats", STAY OUT!

[Qayin]

Yeah there called lifestylists.

GO VEGAN!! VOTE RALPH NADER!!
ect.

[ContrarianLemming]

Not all of them. Some are collectivists. All anarchists are socialists though, that's true enough.

collecitvists are also communists

[ed miliband]

Noam Chomsky.

[Crusade]

In other words, to all "Anarcho-Democrats", STAY OUT! Why you...

Reactionary Revisionist Republican Reverse-revolutionary revleft registee. Take your utopian ideals elsewhere. Anarcho- Democrats aren't naive like you radicals are. Anarcho-Democrats 2012!

[Crusade]

collecitvists are also communists

I always figured they differed on distribution methods. With communists being to each according to need and collectivists being to each according to work done.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I can't think of any real organic links between moodern social democracy and anarchism. Social welfare doesn't really cut it considering even some neo-liberals support a degree of it.

[Spawn of Stalin]

If the counterpart to Communists is social democrats. Then the counterpart to anarchists would probably be present-day Class War type anarchists.

[Palingenisis]

If the counterpart to Communists is social democrats. Then the counterpart to anarchists would probably be present-day Class War type anarchists.

What do you mean by that?

"Class War" is one of the better anarchist organizations.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I feel defeated by the ultra-progressive lumpen-proletarian Anarcho-Democrats....I think I must retire & call defeat......

NOT! :cool:

Yep...suck it

[Spawn of Stalin]

What do you mean by that?

"Class War" is one of the better anarchist organizations.

As an organisation? Sure. Unfortunately from what I've seen it attracts some individuals who really can't be considered anarchists or socialists, basically lifestylists, my Mum assures me that there are still some real anarchist elements but as far as I'm aware they're really only active in 'bash the rich' and animal rights type stuff, the odd demo, etc.

[ed miliband]

There also seem to be "green anarchist" types aligned with it; the type that border on anarcho-primitivism. Some bloke on another forum was part of one such group and is now a Labour supporter. Nice guy, though.

[Sasha]

i guess ill give an serious answer to an silly thread.
since most autonomists and anarchists are active in "deelstrijd" (topic based activism like anti-racism, nucluar power, squatting, animal rights etc etc) they tend to have an lot of contact with the parlamentairy way trusting activists.
and since this kind of activism gives a lot of times results they are under a big risk to also start believing in parliamentary politics.
Mostly the Greens and local one-isue partys have an lot of ex-anarchists in their midst.

[Raúl Duke]

All anarchists are socialists though, that's true enough. This is the accurate statement. Although most anarchists on this site I would say are anarcho-communists.


"Anarcho-Democrats"I thought this thread was about those people who say they're anarchist but oddly vote for the democrats or greens anyway. There are also similar people in the socialist and communist milieu. I seriously dislike this because anyone who has been really paying attention the past few years in the US and the UK (and Greece too; their "socialist" government sticking austerity measures, probably the same or worse than the previous conservative government, to the Greek working class. Although in this case, it seems most people in Greece has already seen through the facade of electoral politics.) would have realized that voting really doesn't do shit.


Noam Chomsky. lol

[eyedrop]

You also have the historical syndicalists/semi-syndicalists currents in the old labour parties, which became regular social democrats.

Those could be called the anarcho-democrats for the anarcho-syndicalists.

[Sasha]

then again, i also vote, most of the times for the socialist party but also once in a while on a green that i know personally.
guess its a bit of choosing the best of the worst and also respecting the hard work activists before me did to get equal voting rights.

[Zanthorus]

I always figured they differed on distribution methods. With communists being to each according to need and collectivists being to each according to work done.

Except Marx supported "from each according to work done" as part of the lower stage of communism. The only reason collectivists named themselves as such was because Bakunin wasn't fond of Marx.

[ContrarianLemming]

I always figured they differed on distribution methods. With communists being to each according to need and collectivists being to each according to work done.

That's true, but there still communists. They want a classless stateless society borught about through class war, what else could they be?

[ContrarianLemming]

Except Marx supported "from each according to work done" as part of the lower stage of communism. The only reason collectivists named themselves as such was because Bakunin wasn't fond of Marx.

It isn't linked to the lower stages of communism, it's a specific anarchist theory based on scepticism that post scarity society will be acheived quickly or that to each according to need is bad idea in the early days of revolution.

[Ravachol]

i guess ill give an serious answer to an silly thread.
since most autonomists and anarchists are active in "deelstrijd" (topic based activism like anti-racism, nucluar power, squatting, animal rights etc etc) they tend to have an lot of contact with the parlamentairy way trusting activists.


I'm probably going to get criticised for this and I've even been called a "PVK'er" for stating this before :rolleyes: but the entire "deelstrijd" (partial struggle) fragmentation of the "totaalstrijd" (full struggle) has really shattered the Dutch/German activist movement.



and since this kind of activism gives a lot of times results they are under a big risk to also start believing in parliamentary politics.
Mostly the Greens and local one-isue partys have an lot of ex-anarchists in their midst.

Exactly the problem, I know plenty of "deelstrijd" activists who are perfectly fine with class society and the everyday violence inherent to the system. For those I only have this to say:



The pacifist abhors war and blesses the state. In times of peace, he has been taught--and he has believed--that society is a vast system of communication where all controls itself by means of dialogue, in a nonviolent manner. It follows from this that only one who, living on the periphery of these communicating vessels, mocks the hopeless cornerstone of vain democratic chattering with blows is candidate to suffer brute force.



As for the question in this thread, "Anarcho-Democrats" is an oxymoron. It's impossible to be an Anarchist and uphold the parliamentary system. It is however possible, and has been used as a strategy by Anarchists in the past and present, to temporarily use local elections and influence party positions to gain a tactical leverage for extra-parliamentary struggle in order to facilitate the progress towards the destruction of the farce alltogether.

[Die Rote Fahne]

A sort of evolutionary anarchy?

Someone who believes in creating anarchy through the democratic process and participating in the system?

I'm not sure

[ed miliband]

A sort of evolutionary anarchy?

Someone who believes in creating anarchy through the democratic process and participating in the system?

I'm not sure

William Godwin is often (mistakenly, I suppose) described as an anarchist, and he believed that people have to educated to a point whereby the state can finally disappear. I think he also felt it was something that had to be voted in.

[ContrarianLemming]

A sort of evolutionary anarchy?

Someone who believes in creating anarchy through the democratic process and participating in the system?

I'm not sure

that's individualist anarchism.