is Goldstein in 1984 based on trotsky?

[Universal Struggle]

Goldstein: The leader of the mysterious Brotherhood, and the enemy of the Party. He was one of the original leaders of the revolution, but Big Brother later exposed him as a traitor and forced him into exile.

Was he based on Trotsky, leader of the red army then denounced by stal... i mean big brother.

Is it based on Trotsky?

BTW, i thought the book reeked of anti communism, he seems to hate communists for being "fat and lazy", which he states in his other books aswell.

He was a rich social democrat, who tried to rape his childhood sweetheart.

I fucking hate him even worse than John lennon the wife beating prick, but, i just was curious about this.

Thanks.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Yes, Goldstein is basically based on Trotsky.

[FinnMacCool]

A lot of people on this forum don't like 1984 because its critical of authoritarian socialism, but I think it's one of the best books ever written.

[Universal Struggle]

it was propoganda.

If he had spent more time fighting than slagging off the Leninists during the spanish civil war, maybe i would listen to the wanker.

He was a total reactionary, also he was an unrepentant rapist and a chauvanist/racist.

His writing is not very good either, his western male chauvanism seeps into the pages.

All that time as an imperial policeman in india hanging locals must of rubbed off on the fucker.

[ZeroNowhere]

If he is a bad writer, it is because he writes badly, not because of western male chauvinism seeping into the pages.

[scarletghoul]

Yeah Orwell's a nob.

[Universal Struggle]

Now that is solidarity Scarletghoul

Thank you :)

[FinnMacCool]

If he had spent more time fighting than slagging off the Leninists during the spanish civil war, maybe i would listen to the wanker.

Actually he did a lot of fighting. He was even wounded in a fight. It seems like your just butthurt because he criticized authoritarians.

[ContrarianLemming]

it was propoganda.

If he had spent more time fighting than slagging off the Leninists during the spanish civil war, maybe i would listen to the wanker.

He was a total reactionary, also he was an unrepentant rapist and a chauvanist/racist.

His writing is not very good either, his western male chauvanism seeps into the pages.

All that time as an imperial policeman in india hanging locals must of rubbed off on the fucker.

:lol:
You're serious?

[ContrarianLemming]

Yes, Goldstein is basically based on Trotsky.

Trotskyis birth name was "bronstein" btw

[RED DAVE]

it was propoganda.

If he had spent more time fighting than slagging off the Leninists during the spanish civil war, maybe i would listen to the wanker.

He was a total reactionary, also he was an unrepentant rapist and a chauvanist/racist.

His writing is not very good either, his western male chauvanism seeps into the pages.

All that time as an imperial policeman in india hanging locals must of rubbed off on the fucker.A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

RED DAVE

[Universal Struggle]

He was injured, because instead of looking where he was going he chose to slag off stalin and he got a bullet in the throat.

Lesson.

Dont fuck with the uncle joe.

[Universal Struggle]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

RED DAVE

was that an insult, if so, was it necesarry

[RED DAVE]

Also, "the theory of oligarchical collectivism," which is Goldstein's work, is based on Trotsky's notion of the "degenerated workers state." Goldstein's writing style, as irving Howe pointed out in Politics and the Novel, is based on Trotsky's style.

RED DAVE

[RED DAVE]

was that an insult, if so, was it necesarryConisdering that your entire post was composed of distortions, ignorance and insults, why not?

RED DAVE

[Universal Struggle]

so he did not rape julia his childhood sweetheart.

So he wasnt in the imperial police

So he didnt spend whole chapters *****ing about real revolutionaries.

So he wasnt racist, sexist borderline primitivist?

[graymouser]

I read Orwell's Down & Out in Paris and London not long ago. Clearly his idea of the "proles" was formed in his time described in that book, many characteristics came from people he had encountered. Really the worst thing about 1984 was the way that he saw no potential for hope in the proles. As a critique of Stalinism it fell short; in many ways it was drawing a false equivalence very similar to the one that had been drawn by Max Shachtman and his followers between the USSR and Nazi Germany. We even see this in the name of "oligarchical collectivism" which is clearly based on "bureaucratic collectivism."

He was a complex writer, with a lot of problems, and I certainly wouldn't use him as a guide to socialism - but in his context he can be interesting.

[Palingenisis]

So he wasnt racist, sexist borderline primitivist?

How was he a borderline primitivist?

He went to Eton we shouldnt forget too...A lot of his socialism came from envy of his chums rather than love for the people.

[Dimentio]

Alright, this thread is a tendency war and rampant trolling.

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