JFK Assassination

[The Vegan Marxist]

Although I'm not big onto the conspiracy theory movement & most of them are just plain fucking stupid, given to how well debunked they've already become, but if there's any theory that I still scratch my head on, it's the idea that JFK was assassinated by his own government. There's just so many questions that come from that day, especially where the guard that was suppose to be there to protect him, on the last turn, was called off for some coincidental reason by his own superiors. So, to me, it was either known something was going to happen, or someone in the inside helped establish it. Though, those are only theories that I like thinking about from time to time, since the JFK theory is the only conspiracy theory, to this day, that I believe in. What does everyone else think?

[28350]

I believe that JFK was offed by the CIA and the military for not being aggressive enough against communism.
Who knows, though.
To me, it's not really that important. It could have just bee Oswald, and my convictions would be no different.

[ed miliband]

I've never understood anybody who believes this theory because it seems to suggests that JFK was something other than an egotistical, dangerous lunatic.

[this is an invasion]

Why does it matter?

[this is an invasion]

Oh wait. It doesn't.

[Ismail]

The conspiracy will be unveiled once you click this link: http://theredphoenix.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/who-shot-jfk-who-cares/

[Universal Struggle]

Me Stalin and Che.

I had a svs silenced, on the grassy nole.

Che drugged the guard and stalin, well he was pretty much unhelpful, just ate babies all day, but yeah, we taught kenedy to stop trying to kill castro.

Nah, but seriously, he was a anti communist murdering bueracrat, i hope he rots in reactionary hell.

[blackwave]

Who cares... JFK was the one who enforced a total trade embargo against Cuba. Not aggressive enough against communism?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Who cares... JFK was the one who enforced a total trade embargo against Cuba. Not aggressive enough against communism?

And he sure had a passion for those insane red scare speeches in the 1950's!

[Proletarian Ultra]

There is no good evidence for a massive high level Freemasons/CIA/Pope/Mafia/4H conspiracy.

There is good evidence for the following: Oswald worked for military intelligence during his time in the military and while he was a 'defector'. Upon returning he did some small-time infiltration and agent-provocateuring of various left-wing and right-wing causes, civil rights groups and arms dealers as a two-bit subcontractor for clients both government and business (ONI, ATF, Louisiana State Police, United Fruit Company, etc.) He also moved in circles where mafia ties were common.

I don't know if Oswald went lone wolf or he had some more small-timers on board with him. Doesn't matter.

The least interesting thing about Oswald is that he shot Kennedy.

What's interesting is that because he shot Kennedy, we've got a fairly well-documented view of life on the underbelly of the capitalist state. The nexus of corruption, militarism, two-bit spy antics, organized crime and violent far-right politics that the polite face of capital doesn't want to talk about but can't do without.

[GreenCommunism]

something that's lacking with the jfk assassination conspiracy is an anti-semitic conspiracy. there's one in every conspiracy.

[x359594]

...the JFK theory is the only conspiracy theory, to this day, that I believe in. What does everyone else think?

You and the US Congress. The House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinationsof 1976 concluded that at least two gunmen fired at JFK based on acoustical evidence. They didn't reach any conclusions about who may have been involved in the conspiracy, but the fact that shots were fired by two shooters could not be laid down to coincidence.

If Kennedy was assassinated by an agency of the US Government, it was most likely by the CIA, and the motive was his failure to back up the Bay of Pigs invasion with US air cover and full military support. It's a fact that CIA spooks blamed JFK for the debacle; they lost a lot of Cuban assets and suffered inter-agency humiliation. It's also a fact that JFK was unhappy with the CIA's performance in a number of areas and was planning a major overhaul, possibly breaking it up and assigning its activities to another agency. That's sufficient motive for a government bureaucracy like the CIA to move against him. In other words, the JFK assassination may have been a palace coup.

[RadioRaheem84]

I was always on the fence about the JFK assassination but I heard a talk about the Gangster Nature of the State by Michael Parenti and it made me think twice. I just couldn't think that such a smart guy like Parenti could be duped by conspiracy theories.

I really do not care who shot JFK, he was a cold warrior with no remorse for the crap he did to Cuba and the Civil Rights Movement, but the truth would probably help American awaken to the nature of the State.

Most conspiracy theorists are right wing nuts that stubbornly will not admit to the that the concentration of wealth and power is because of capitalism and they blame it on one world socialism by "bankers", of all people. :rolleyes:

There is no doubt now that Oswald was a low level intelligence agent that was probably involved in the assassination along with someone else and took the blame. Maybe he did act alone and he was just a disgruntled right wing loon that was still under the pay of the government. IDK.

[28350]

Not aggressive enough against communism?

Not as aggressive as the military wanted him to be.
They wanted to take out Castro, and presumably take action against the Soviets.

[blackwave]

Not as aggressive as the military wanted him to be.
They wanted to take out Castro, and presumably take action against the Soviets.

According to the Cuban security service, there have been at least 638 plots to kill Castro, 42 of these occurred during Kennedy's presidency, which pales compared to Nixon's 184, but then Kennedy's stay in office was cut short (assassinate a president, you say).

[Red Commissar]

In the 1960 elections, Kennedy faced off against Nixon, who had served as Eisenhower's Vice President during his two terms in the 1950s.

One of the things that helped Kennedy, as other users have mentioned, is that he painted himself as a staunch anti-communist. He built much of his campaign on blasting the previous Eisenhower administration for being too soft against the spread of Communism abroad, and was causing the United States to fall into a precarious situation. In some ways this also helped deflect the issue of his catholic upbringing.

It was a narrow election but Kennedy was clearly committed, like any other American politician, to combating communism.

Speaking from a strictly historical standpoint, I too have some curiosities about the Kennedy assassination, but it's not something I concern myself with purely, like some people do. The main reason why the conspiracy theories got the way they were was because of the Warren Report having holes in it, and the nature of Oswald himself.

It is also interesting that generally when I talk to people about the concept of "conspiracies", it seems most of them seem to hold a belief that the truth of the Kennedy assassination is being hidden.

If the CIA or some other governmental element had a hand in Kennedy's assassination, I would say it was out of an internal struggle between the political figureheads, possibly disagreement on how to approach unaligned countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

But at any rate, it doesn't make Kennedy any different of a person, he was anti-communist as it came. Between him and Eisenhower the roots of American involvement in Vietnam was set in place, as well as countless operations against left-wing regimes and political dissidents domestically and abroad. The truth of those are much more hidden, Kennedy's assassination is just something to cover them up by comparison.

[Karl Marx AK47]

I heard a talk about the Gangster Nature of the State by Michael Parenti and it made me think twice. I just couldn't think that such a smart guy like Parenti could be duped by conspiracy theories. Most conspiracy theorists are right wing nuts that stubbornly will not admit to the that the concentration of wealth and power is because of capitalism and they blame it on one world socialism by "bankers", of all people. What Parenti points out is the ruling class conspire all the time and that's not a theory. The capitalist institutions often brought up are not theoretical abstracts, I encourage everybody to enter into these concrete caves and explore what's inside with the book edited by Holly Sklar 'Trilateralism'. Ralph Schoenman also does an excellent job covering the JFK, 911, and Zionist conspiracies. KPFA Guns and Butter has some excellent audio covering Charles Manson and the Jonestown massacre. There are a few so called conspiracy theories out there that do have merit. UFO's, bigfoot, and lizard people are obvious bullshit that can be ruled out. Capitalism to right-wingers is god.The origin of the right-wing cabal can be traced back to JBS and Lyndon Larouche, a Marxist gone rogue fascist. Smart guys read The Nation, but how many of them know their editor Max Holland writes for the CIA whom had a hand in crafting JFK propaganda. Some of The Nation's staff are even members of the CFR which is an acronym for the State Department. What's behind Bilderberg is NATO. The Trilateral Commission is the executive advisory committee for transnational finance capital. The Atlantic Council is underwritten by the DIA, like the CSIS is with the CIA. How many on the left are duped into the question of Tibet and are misled to defend the Dalai Lahma, towing the same line as our far-right war criminals- Bush and Obama? The functionaries of the State and the captains of capital are indeed absolutely scandalous. For any Marxist to betray the masses, frightened away by the very word conspiracy, while hiding in a fit of denial is an huge error. These unified theories have a collective merit inside Marxist debate. How many people are revolutionaries losing to the right, because they simply walk away? The economic order is only one (but the core) of many revolutions we need to struggle for. Who do you think the concentration of wealth and power go to? The 2009 Merrill-Lynch World Wealth report will tell you... 8.6 million people in the world hold $32.8 tn, liquid. From that pop. 0.9% or 78,000 people in the world hold close to half that figure. They may have neglected adding the $23.7 tn bank bailout giveaway. World pop. stands slightly above 6 billion, half of which live on less than $2 per day and approx. 50,000 people die everyday from hunger, 10's of thousands everyday from water diseases, and nearly 100,000 woman will die every year from Obstetric fistula.
There is good evidence for the following: Oswald worked for military intelligence during his time in the military and while he was a 'defector'. Upon returning he did some small-time infiltration and agent-provocateuring of various left-wing and right-wing causes, civil rights groups and arms dealers as a two-bit subcontractor for clients both government and business (ONI, ATF, Louisiana State Police, United Fruit Company, etc.) He also moved in circles where mafia ties were common. What's interesting is that because he shot Kennedy, we've got a fairly well-documented view of life on the underbelly of the capitalist state. The nexus of corruption, militarism, two-bit spy antics, organized crime and violent far-right politics that the polite face of capital doesn't want to talk about but can't do without. The JFK administration first tested traditional counterinsurgency doctrine in Latin America, which led to Vietnam but also Iran-Contra and what's also known as Continuity of Government. Like an emptied town, the last to go is 'law enforcement'. American exceptionalism is quickly becoming null and void. Enter DHS and the coming police state punctuated by Mike Davis's 'Planet of Slums'. The transnational ruling class have been busy fashioning the world to their liking yall. What's important to note is that countries targeted for destabilization programs are carefully planned- to use them for leverage in a larger strategic approach of structurally adjusting the world.
If the CIA or some other governmental element had a hand in Kennedy's assassination, I would say it was out of an internal struggle between the political figureheads, possibly disagreement on how to approach unaligned countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America. But at any rate, it doesn't make Kennedy any different of a person, he was anti-communist as it came. Between him and Eisenhower the roots of American involvement in Vietnam was set in place, as well as countless operations against left-wing regimes and political dissidents domestically and abroad. The truth of those are much more hidden, Kennedy's assassination is just something to cover them up by comparison. JFK may have gotten in the way tactically, but I doubt he would have betrayed his class strategically. I remember reading about another US president who almost got assassinated by his own class. The plot foiled. Even with overwhelming evidence of facing his own potential death, he refused to prosecute his brethren.

[The Vegan Marxist]

JFK may have gotten in the way tactically, but I doubt he would have betrayed his class strategically. I remember reading about another US president who almost got assassinated by his own class. The plot foiled. Even with overwhelming evidence of facing his own potential death, he refused to prosecute his brethren.

That only shows, to me, that this president merely has more sympathies than Hitler. That's about it. lol

[GreenCommunism]

According to the Cuban security service, there have been at least 638 plots to kill Castro
.. whoa, hitler had 14 assassination attempt and i thought that was alot. man i really shouldn't be a plain example of godwin's law but that's what got to my mind.

[RadioRaheem84]

I remember reading about another US president who almost got assassinated by his own class. The plot foiled. Even with overwhelming evidence of facing his own potential death, he refused to prosecute his brethren.


FDR used it as leverage to pass his New Deal laws.

Also, any link to the Merrill Report?

[Karl Marx AK47]

FDR used it as leverage to pass his New Deal laws.

Also, any link to the Merrill Report?

I have 11 more posts before Revleft lifts my active link embargo. You can simply google it comrade. You'll find it in PDF format