A Question on Hate

[Bud Struggle]

So where does it come from?

The hate. The hatred of the Commies, the hatred of the Antifa, the hatred of the Cappies? The hatred of the Blacks, the hatred of the Middle Class, the hatred of the boss, the hatred of the worker? The Class Warfare, the Race Warfare, the hate for Jews, Catholics and Moslems. The Immigrants, the Man, the American, the foreigner, the French, the British, the Trotskyites, The Stalinists, the Anarchists, the Christians, the Agnostics. German, Italian, Irish, Russian, Polish.

Darwin, Biblical, Blonde, Brunette. Is there something wrong?

For as much as we all think we are the good guys--aren't we the also bad guys, too?

[Ele'ill]

Hatred against exclusion is not the same as hatred for the purpose of exclusion.

[#FF0000]

Hatred of ethnic groups/foreigners = fear or frustration. Scared that this "other" might change things or something.

Hatred of opposing political groups = they are wrong and it is frustrating.

Hatred of the capitalist class = Being oppressed is frustrating.

[MarxSchmarx]

So where does it come from?

The hate. The hatred of the Commies, the hatred of the Antifa, the hatred of the Cappies? The hatred of the Blacks, the hatred of the Middle Class, the hatred of the boss, the hatred of the worker? The Class Warfare, the Race Warfare, the hate for Jews, Catholics and Moslems. The Immigrants, the Man, the American, the foreigner, the French, the British, the Trotskyites, The Stalinists, the Anarchists, the Christians, the Agnostics. German, Italian, Irish, Russian, Polish.

Darwin, Biblical, Blonde, Brunette. Is there something wrong?

For as much as we all think we are the good guys--aren't we the also bad guys, too?

Man just how drunk are you?

[Ocean Seal]

So where does it come from?

The hate. The hatred of the Commies, the hatred of the Antifa, the hatred of the Cappies? The hatred of the Blacks, the hatred of the Middle Class, the hatred of the boss, the hatred of the worker? The Class Warfare, the Race Warfare, the hate for Jews, Catholics and Moslems. The Immigrants, the Man, the American, the foreigner, the French, the British, the Trotskyites, The Stalinists, the Anarchists, the Christians, the Agnostics. German, Italian, Irish, Russian, Polish.

Darwin, Biblical, Blonde, Brunette. Is there something wrong?

For as much as we all think we are the good guys--aren't we the also bad guys, too?

Racial/Intrinsic Prejudice- Comes out of fear and ignorance. People are afraid of what they don't know so they protect those they know best which sometimes is their own ethic group. Other ethnic groups resent and soon enough hate each other.

Political Hatred- One thinks that the others are wrong and are preventing us from doing right so one hates them.

Hatred of our Rulers- They oppress us so its self explanatory.

[Robert]

For as much as we all think we are the good guys--aren't we the also bad guys, too?

Yes, many representatives of each group you name has the germ of hatred within. Some philosophies expressly reject hatred as a useful emotion.

We all know which do and which do not.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Man just how drunk are you?Ha, I thought this was an uncharacteristic post from Mr. Bud too.

I think "where does hate come from" is too abstract of a question? It would be the same as asking "where does love come from?" - in some cases it comes from familiarity and trust (like with good families and friends) sometimes it comes from empathy and other times it can come from a physical connection rather than an emotional one.

For most modern "hatred" though I think if we want to generalize its source, then I would argue that "hate" comes from anger and Yoda. There is a lot of anger in our society and in the world because people do not have as much control over their own lives as they would like. So in that sense, the hatred of racists and the hatred of anti-racists is similar. Racists hate whatever oppressed group because they scapegoat them for a lot of the problems in society that the racists experience or observe. The racist can't do anything about his position in society, he can't change the downturn in the economy, he can't make society reflect the Leave it to Beaver world he thinks would be better - so he blames minority groups, immigrants, unions, or people on welfare for "wreaking society". The anti-racist is angry at the racism of society that he sees or experiences and he "hates" the forces that are helping maintain that racism in society - hate-groups or politicians who use scapegoating and so on.

The irrational hatred I sometimes feel is for yuppies. They make me angry because I have been mistreated by them or just treated as invisible by them through various service jobs I have had; they have treated me poorly because I am not someone who makes a lot of money and so I am looked at with suspicion when I lived in an apartment building surrounded by affluent million dollar Berkeley homes. I have also resented them for assuming that everyone has the free-time and extra cash they do. But all of this is bullshit - yuppies are not really a unified group or anything and are probably just as likely to be affable one-on-one as stuck-up and obnoxious. So my real anger comes from not liking the inequality of our society and resenting the experience of being someone who is treated as disposable and interchangeable. So "hating yuppies" imo is not a constructive hate because yuppies themselves are not responsible for the social staus-quo, they just benefit from it directly or indirectly to a greater extent than most Americans do. A constructive hate would be hating the system that perpetuates inequality and alienating low-paid work and racism and so on.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Racial/Intrinsic Prejudice- Comes out of fear and ignorance. People are afraid of what they don't know so they protect those they know best which sometimes is their own ethic group. Other ethnic groups resent and soon enough hate each other.I don't know about this one comrade. I think ignorence of other can create a space for people to promote hatred against X group, but I don't think there is such a thing as inherent hatred when it comes to other people or groups.

When people from the old world came into contact with native Americans, they were greeted in various ways from friendly to hateful. I think group hatred comes out of various material circumstances at any given time.

[Bud Struggle]

Man just how drunk are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kq1JQUhwVQ&feature=related



Seriously, I own a garden apartment building and I got a call yesterday that there we a disterbance there and the police were all over the place. Seems on of the tenants was walking his dog and it crapped on the lawn in back of the building and didn't pick it up and some other tenant saw it. The second tenant called out the first--and they got into a fight. The first guy was Hispanic and the second was white it degenerated from the dog crap argument to a first class racial fight. Lots of screaming of racial insults all kinds of stuff. Punches thrown, a total mess.

The cops calmed everyone down--and took the white guy away. All over a dog crap. But there was REAL hate going on both sides. It was all pretty disturbing.