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Stranger Than Paradise
29th May 2010, 07:20
Guardian Article from Friday, lot of talk about parliamentary politics but its still interesting.

Here's the video they made: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2010/may/28/english-defence-league-uncovered

Most noticeable in the video I thought was one of the banners they held, "finally a voice for the working class".



MPs expressed concern tonight after it emerged that far-right activists are planning to step up their provocative street campaign by targeting some of the UK's highest-profile Muslim communities, raising fears of widespread unrest this summer.

Undercover footage shot by the Guardian reveals the English Defence League, which has staged a number of violent protests in towns and cities across the country this year, is planning to "hit" Bradford and the London borough of Tower Hamlets as it intensifies its street protests.

Senior figures in the coalition government were briefed on the threat posed by EDL marches this week. Tomorrow up to 2,000 EDL supporters are expected to descend on Newcastle for its latest protest.

MPs said the group's decision to target some of the UK's most prominent Muslim communities was a blatant attempt to provoke mayhem and disorder. "This group has no positive agenda," said the Bradford South MP, Gerry Sutcliffe. "It is an agenda of hate that is designed to divide people and communities. We support legitimate protest but this is not legitimate, it is designed to stir up trouble. The people of Bradford will want no part of it."

The English Defence League, which started in Luton last year, has become the most significant far-right street movement in the UK since the National Front in the 1970s. A Guardian investigation has identified a number of known rightwing extremists who are taking an interest in the movement – from convicted football hooligans to members of violent rightwing splinter groups.

Thousands of people have attended its protests – many of which have descended into violence and racist and Islamophobic chanting. Supporters are split into "divisions" spread across the UK and as many as 3,000 people are attracted to its protests.

The group also appears to be drawing support from the armed forces. Its online armed forces division has 842 members and the EDL says many serving soldiers have attended its demonstrations. A spokeswoman for the EDL, whose husband is a serving soldier, said: "The soldiers are fighting Islamic extremism in Afghanistan and Iraq and the EDL are fighting it here … Not all the armed forces support the English Defence League but a majority do."

Following the British National party's poor showing in this month's local and national elections anti-racist campaigners say some far-right activists may be turning away from the ballot box and returning to violent street demonstrations for the first time in three decades.

Nick Lowles, from Searchlight, said: "What we are seeing now is the most serious, most dangerous, political phenomenon that we have had in Britain for a number of years. With EDL protests that are growing week in, week out there is a chance for major disorder and a major political shift to the right in this country."

In undercover footage shot by Guardian Films, EDL spokesman Guramit Singh says its Bradford demonstration "will be huge". He adds: "The problem with Bradford is the security threat, it is a highly populated Muslim area. They are very militant as well. Bradford is a place that has got to be hit."

Singh, who was speaking during an EDL demonstration in Dudley in April, said the organisation would also be targeting Tower Hamlets.

A spokesman for the EDL confirmed it would hold a demonstration in Bradford on 28 August because the city was "on course to be one of the first places to become a no-go area for non-Muslims". The EDL has already announced demonstrations in Cardiff and Dudley.

The former Home Office minister Phil Woolas said: "This is a deliberate attempt by the EDL at division and provocation, to try and push young Muslims into the hands of extremists, in order to perpetuate the divide. It is dangerous."

The EDL claims it is a peaceful and non-racist organisation only concerned with protesting against "militant Islam". However, over the last four months the Guardian has attended its demonstrations and witnessed racism, violence and virulent Islamophobia.

During the election campaign David Cameron described the EDL as "dreadful people" and said the organisation would "always be under review".

A spokesman for the Home Office said that although the government was committed to restoring the right to "non-violent protest … violence and intimidation are wholly unacceptable and the police have powers to deal with individuals who commit such acts. The government condemns those who seek to spread hatred."

He added: "Individual members of EDL – like all members of the public – are of course subject to the law, and all suspected criminal offences will be robustly investigated and dealt with by the police."

AK
29th May 2010, 10:21
A lying and misguided voice.

AK
29th May 2010, 10:36
Wait, he called the UAF guy - Weyman Bennett - a far-right commie bastard....?
1. Communism is far-left
2. The EDL is far-right

The EDL are among the stupidest nationalists I have ever come across. It might have something to do with their tendency to be perpetually drunk.

And I'm sure the EDL defines the working class as a demographic with a certain income and a certain level of education and more ambiguous bullshit.

bricolage
29th May 2010, 14:42
There is no way in hell they will get through Tower Hamlets.

bricolage
29th May 2010, 15:03
Or Bradford I'd imagine.

Stranger Than Paradise
29th May 2010, 17:18
There is no way in hell they will get through Tower Hamlets.

Or Bradford I'd imagine.

No I wouldn't think so, from what I've seen of them they're fairly weak in London, pretty stupid, although fascists do have a tendency to think they're tough as fuck.

Fidel Follower
29th May 2010, 19:00
They will not fucking pass- we need to make sure of it.
I have to say, i do agree with the whole 'on a knife edge' theory, things have so much potential to go wrong.

here for the revolution
30th May 2010, 16:34
I've watched this video and Young, British and Angry. It truly does cement the obvious social and political confusion their members are suffering as well as highlight the factions within the EDL. It's a shame that they are not willing to follow their ideals through to the end and talk to us about why we oppose them, because the fact is a fair amount of their members are working class people who have been horrendously misled :/.

One thing that really pisses me off though is that the Aylesbury demo and counter demo have been glossed over. It was another example of the EDL fighting police just because they wanted a ruck, but it also shows what happens when you allow officials to scare people off counter protesting-the turnout was abysmal. We have to build numbers, we have to say strong and, when the time is right, we need to give them a battle bigger than Cable Street and Lewisham put together and end this.

Fictional
30th May 2010, 16:50
There's a Demo in Cardiff on the 5th July, I hope to be there - we have a pretty big Muslim community here, always have.

Headmaster Ritual
2nd June 2010, 01:49
The EDL's rising popularity is sickening. I'm only a youngster myself, and the amount of blind support they achieve amongst peers of mine is shocking. Admittedly, I do live in a very rough area, but it's the blind ignorance that gets on my wick. It's not a case of "I've surveyed the situation and I'm going to make an informed and coherent decision", it's "Bloody foreigners, tekkin' us jobs, EDL will protect this country". What does anyone else think on right-wingism affecting younger and younger people these days?

Joesky
2nd June 2010, 13:41
What does anyone else think on right-wingism affecting younger and younger people these days?

You pretty much summed it up when you said what your peers shout.
"Tekkin' us Jobs".
Youth unemployment is higher then the national average and it is us, the young fresh minds that are being sacrificed for the failings of the bankers and the resulting recession.
When you look at it from a employers perspective, who would they would rather hire, a 30 -40 year old with 10-20 years experience or a 16 - 29 year old with 5 - 10 years?
Apprenticeships are being scrapped, youth services are being cut and education is being privatised, making the EDL a tempting choice. The rise of youth fascism is no surprise because it almost always rises with youth unemployment and recessions. The Hitler Youth helped poor kids by taking them away from the cities and providing them with a clean uniform, The National Front let the teenagers feel valued and respected when they were used to smash up Asian communities and now the EDL claims to speak for the disaffected white working classes while they mindlessly go rampaging though small towns and cities for their leaders who are petite-bourgeois scum bags.
They demand more for themselves and why shouldn't they but the EDL is not how they should do it.
So comrade, try to tell these people that Nationalism makes the workers feel that they have something in common with the bosses and that it is obvious that we do not. And that as a class, we're all suffering.