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Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 17:28
We are still a nation locked in denial. If you point out basic facts about the British Empire that the British deliberately adopted policies that caused as many as 29 million Indians to starve to death in the late 19th century, say you smack into a wall of incomprehension and rage.


The historian Niall Ferguson called me Hari the horrible for writing about this in my column last week. Another neoimperialist historian, Lawrence James, accuses me in The Sunday Times of being a twerp who writes twaddle. The Daily Mail says I should check my facts.


I have. Many times. And the truth is still there, no matter how much sound and fury is vomited at it. If you check the claims of the defenders of Empire against the historical record, it becomes clear there is a howling gap between them.

For example, Lawrence James says the British imperial rulers of India were humane men and, although hampered by inadequate administrative machinery and limited resources, they made a determined effort to feed the hungry during the El Nino famines of the 1870s and 1890s.
His evidence for this? Between 1871-1901 Indias population increased by 30 million, he says. This is a classic piece of deficient reasoning.


The population of Russia grew during the Soviet Union, and the population of China exploded under Mao does James think there was no mass death there either? Keep going back to the record.

There were indeed some decent men among the imperial rulers, whose instinct was to feed the starving Indians. One colonial administrator, Sir Richard Temple, reacted at first by importing massive amounts of rice from Burma. The official record shows that only 23 people died under this enlightened policy.

If James and Ferguson were right, Temple would have been held up as a beacon of the way British chaps do things.
But in reality, he was severely reprimanded by London for his extravagance. The Economist savaged him for allowing the lazy Indians to think it is the duty of the government to keep them alive.


Temple learned his lesson. He slammed into reverse, and began to conduct experiments to see how little food Indians could survive on, noting coldly in his book when strapping fine fellows were reduced to little more than animated skeletons ... utterly unfit for any work.

In the average British labor camp that Temple was ordered to set up, inmates were given fewer daily calories than if they had ended up in Buchenwald 80 years later. This new Temple was praised by his imperial masters as a fine example. If you study the records, you can see this pattern practiced as deliberate policy all over India.

Niall Ferguson is marginally less extreme than his defender James.

He admits, In the case of Lord Lytton, Viceroy during the disaster of 1876-8, there is clear evidence of incompetence, negligence and indifference to the fate of the starving. But even this grudging concession presents the behavior of the British as essentially a passive crime the failure to act.

The evidence shows something much darker. Far from doing nothing during the famine, the British did a lot to make it worse.

They insisted that the Indian peasants carry on shipping out grain for global markets, and enforced this policy with guns. (Stalin did exactly the same thing in the 1930s, during the famines caused by collectivization).

This meant, as the historian Professor Mike Davis has noted, London was eating Indias bread at the height of a famine. They even stepped up taxes on the starving, and insulted them as indolent and unused to work.
And thats not all. Lord Lytton ordered that all relief operations would be punishable by imprisonment.

One dissident civil servant, Lt-Col. Ronald Osborne, described staggering through the horror: Scores of corpses were tumbled into old wells, because the deaths were too numerous for the miserable relatives to perform the usual funeral rites.

Mothers sold their children for a single scanty meal. Husbands flung their wives into ponds, to escape the torment of seeing them perish by the lingering agonies of hunger.

Amid these scenes of death, the government of India kept its serenity and cheerfulness unimpaired.

The [newspapers] of the Northwest were persuaded into silence. Strict orders were given to civilians under no circumstances to countenance the pretence that civilians were dying of hunger. He met one Brit, a MacMinn, who couldnt bear it, and used his own money to distribute grain.

He was severely reprimanded, threatened with degradation, and ordered to close the work immediately. If this policy seems to make no sense, thats because it doesnt, just as the actions of Stalin and Mao seem incomprehensible. Lytton seems to have believed that by sticking to liberal economics, he was obscurely helping the people of India.

When I criticized Ferguson for dedicating as much space in his revisionist history of Empire to the slaughter of 29 million people as he gives to a description of a statue of the Prince of Wales made out of butter, he responded primarily with personal abuse, comparing me to a childrens writer.

He claims that my sources, like Caroline Elkins history of British atrocities in Kenya, are sensationalist and therefore not worthy of consideration. If that is so, why did Ferguson himself praise Elkins painstaking research, on the cover of her book, no less? It seems that Ferguson is not only trying to rewrite the history of Empire, but also that of his own life.


The terms used by these imperialist historians are revealing. Lawrence James brags, Unlike Stalins Russia, the British Empire was always an open society.

If you implicitly think of only whites as people, then he is of course correct. People colored like him or me could condemn anything they liked. But how open did the British Empire seem to a Mau Mau rebel being doused in paraffin and burned alive for trying to reclaim land stolen by the British? How open was it to an Irishman being tortured by the Black and Tans for advocating a free Ireland? How open was it to Indians who were jailed for trying to organize relief efforts in the middle of a famine?


No wonder James jeers at the carping of African and Asian historians focused on [the Empires] imperfections. Odd, isnt it, how the natives seem so ungrateful?


It seems extraordinary to argue that polite British historians with TV series on Channel 4 are apologists for mass murder, as ugly as the Russians who would have us believe Stalins crimes were inevitable or justified by the advances in industrialization he wrought.

But the evidence shows that it is true.

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
26th May 2010, 17:48
But the empire brought civilization to the world!

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 17:53
my dad said that, i went fuckig mental

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
26th May 2010, 17:56
British cultue =/= civilization

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 17:59
what do you think of western civilization

I think it would be a good idea!

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
26th May 2010, 18:12
oh gandi, your a better satarist than a politician.

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 18:27
HAHA yeah, ricky gervaises skit on it was funny

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
26th May 2010, 18:36
T'was. However, more on topic, it is true, in the UK the picture is painted of the UK elevating the 'darkies' from their primitive state. Virtually all the genocides and massacres which the empire carried out is swept under the rug in favour of a rose-tinted view of 'Empire on which the sun never set'

Palingenisis
26th May 2010, 18:43
British cultue =/= civilization

Where would we be without the Thornlie Boys?

http://www.thornlieboys.co.uk/apps/photos/

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 19:37
[QUOTE=Palingenisis;1757265]Where would we be without the Thornlie Boys?



Line the loyal brothers up against the wall

Fucking pricks:lol:

NecroCommie
26th May 2010, 20:04
Isn't it even common knowledge that british royals have always been elitist fucks who hate their populace? I recall it's something of an annual tradition for someone in the royal family to cause a scandal with their accidental elitist comments about the "common folk".

Palingenisis
26th May 2010, 20:07
Isn't it even common knowledge that british royals have always been elitist fucks who hate their populace? I recall it's something of an annual tradition for someone in the royal family to cause a scandal with their accidental elitist comments about the "common folk".

My experiance is that working class English are generally sound but from the upper middle to middle middle class upwards they go a bit haywire...The "class system" is very ingrained over there.

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 20:09
My mum is a ghetto snob :lol:

Universal Struggle
26th May 2010, 20:09
Though she does make me grill food on tinfoil so theirs no washing up to do haha