Reactionary Chatter VIII - Absolutely No Hope

[Jazzratt]

Everyone knows what this thread is for. Put all your offtopic crap in here and follow the board rules. This means no spam, racism, excessive flaming, general dickery or pissing in the shallow end.

In light of the exciting events toward the end of the last thread I'll be a bit more vigilant about the atmosphere in this thread. Try very hard to remember you're posting on a public messageboard that aims for a broad audience and not talking to your sleazy mates in whatever sweaty hell-hole of a gentlmen's club you frequent.

Finally, have fun.

[Ele'ill]

First in

[Havet]

Gladly.

It's important to think about WHY they act like sexual objects.

Because if a human being can't get attention, respect, etc they will resort to actions and appearances that do get it.

And what's wrong with that?


These actions might not be healthy. First World culture breeds images of groups of people through popular media and will target demographics by using ideas, images etc that are highly sensational and inappropriate for the reasons they are felt in that particular group, the timing, and what they are replacing.

You need to define healthy and you need to prove how your definition of healthy is both correct and "objective". As far as my life experience goes, there are no such thing as "unhealthy" images, because I am both self-aware and controlling of my emotions. And I have seen some pretty fucked up sh1t (such as 2 girls 1 cup, 1 guy 1 cup, 2 guys 1 horse, etc)


The goal isn't to instill a sense that 'if you see a naked woman you can't enjoy it' of course you're going to be attracted to the sex group of your preference but to take advantage of a product of over sexualized imagery targeted specifically for the purpose of creating a market based on false feelings and the 'Pinocchio's first cigar' scenario it becomes sexist as it can take root in many young people's brains that women SHOULD reveal themselves that it's absolutely necessary to do this in order to exist, in order to attract the opposite sex and in order to be a women. The same way it's targeted at men to instill a sense of 'violence is cool' - 'women should want you' - 'you deserve sex and sexist imagery because you are a man'

It's not taking advantage because people have the choice to believe if what those images are transmiting are "healthy" or "rational" or not.


Why?

Because this is Reactionary Chatter!


This is the thread for offtopic/non-serious posting in Opposing Ideologies. Such posts made anywhere in OI outside this thread will lead to punitive administrative action.


No private gentlemen's clubs as long as I'm stuck here in OI. I don't have anywhere else to post or to read- thus I will comment where ever I can.

And you may comment. And you may criticize. But I don't see why your opinion should take precedence over the majoritarian belief. Nobody is trying to kick you out. The fact is there are more men in reactionary chatter than women, which is why its understandeable that women as a topic is more prevalent. And the fact is that we, men, have been biologically programmed to obssess over women. I would too hope things were differently...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYA9DaSIddo

[Jazzratt]

Nobody is trying to kick you out.

You don't actively have to be attempting to physically stop people posting here in order to be effectively excluding them. Turning reactionary chatter into what is essentially a heterosexual men's space is exclusionary.


The fact is there are more men in reactionary chatter than women, which is why its understandeable that women as a topic is more prevalent.

The fact is that most people posting in reactionary chatter are pasty cracker motherfuckers does that mean we should fill it with borderline racist shit that makes any person of colour reading it distinctly uncomfortable. The fact is that (and I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar on this) there are more breeders in reactionary chatter does that mean you guys can now follow up your male-gaze drooling bullshit with calling any bloke that doesn't appreciate it a limp-wristed whoopsie?

The fact that it is mostly men posting here is a reason to be more careful about what you post, not less. After all there are fewer women calling you out.


And the fact is that we, men, have been biologically programmed to obssess over women.

Oh. My mistake. Apparently every man who doesn't obsess over women (like gay men or asexuals) is lesser or at least deviating from their "biological programming". Must be beacause they're unnatural wrongcocks or something.

Honestly though this is a piss poor excuse for your behaviour. I obsess over sex, men and women all the god damn time (one woman in particular...*sigh*) but I manage to keep my dick from springing out of my trousers when I post in RC. Maybe you should excerise a little self control rather than stomping about and continuing in behaviour that is making our members uncomfortable.

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I almost didn't post in here because I don't want to be seen as "white knighting" for Mari3L who is, frankly, kicking your ass but I think it's important that you see it's not just her who thinks this behaviour is dickish. Any more of it and I will consider wielding my might admin powers at you.

[eyedrop]

I almost didn't post in here because I don't want to be seen as "white knighting" for Mari3L who is, frankly, kicking your ass but I think it's important that you see it's not just her who thinks this behaviour is dickish. Any more of it and I will consider wielding my might admin powers at you.

The real white knights where foul smelling men without manners.

[Jazzratt]

The real white knights where foul smelling men without manners.

I find that very easy to believe: sticking just over a metre of steel sword through someone's ribcage is probably considered uncouth by most systems of manners and I don't imagine that the age of chivalry saw too much in the way of soap. That and the class from which knights were drawn are generally twats anyway.

[Ele'ill]

This is the last time I comment on this topic before taking it to the main section.


And what's wrong with that?

The rest of my post below that first sentence explains it. :rolleyes:




You need to define healthy and you need to prove how your definition of healthy is both correct and "objective". As far as my life experience goes, there are no such thing as "unhealthy" images,

Consider the idea that sex is projected at youth the same way that fast food, cigarettes and booze is. Domestic violence. A friend of mine works at a job core type center. Dealing with troubled young people and the trend is the women project themselves as pop culture sluts where the men feel as though this is perfectly acceptable. The catch is that when there's sex there isn't- it's rape- and by rape I mean it literally as the men get charged and the women get a trip to the hospital. The females want the attention that the men feel is a go ahead for what they deserve. We've had numerous conversations about this issue and it can be linked directly to what they watch on tv and what they read. When they come from a broken home where the only attention they get is abusive attention it creates an issue where they want to be that- the other issue is who their rolemodels are- the easiest is those on the media pipeline preaching the 'you've had a bad life thus far- this is how to be an adult'.


because I am both self-aware and controlling of my emotions. And I have seen some pretty fucked up sh1t (such as 2 girls 1 cup, 1 guy 1 cup, 2 guys 1 horse, etc)

Perhaps the fact that you were making such posts on a political forum and thought it acceptable means that you are not self-aware and controlling of your emotions.

I'm not saying you're a rapist- or that you're a huge womanizer but I heard an anarchist spit out some cliche garbage after a borderline racist comment 'i'm not racist I have ethnic friends'.




It's not taking advantage because people have the choice to believe if what those images are transmiting are "healthy" or "rational" or not.

This is ridiculous. If the audience had a grip on reality from the get go maybe. Those targeted are young people, they grow up with this stuff being pounded into their heads so they think it's real. It creates a false reality. The people that do come to understand what's wrong with it may still act that way because they want the attention and have not learned of another way , a healthy and non harming, way to get it.










And you may comment. And you may criticize. But I don't see why your opinion should take precedence over the majoritarian belief.

The majority can often times be completely wrong.



Nobody is trying to kick you out.

Nobody is trying to kick you out.

[Havet]

You don't actively have to be attempting to physically stop people posting here in order to be effectively excluding them. Turning reactionary chatter into what is essentially a heterosexual men's space is exclusionary.

How is it exclusionary? I am not initiating aggression against her, nor am I preventing her from any action. You need to pervert the definition of exclusion a lot in order to consider that I should be demanded to pay equal attention to all things happening on this thread.


The fact is that most people posting in reactionary chatter are pasty cracker motherfuckers does that mean we should fill it with borderline racist shit that makes any person of colour reading it distinctly uncomfortable. The fact is that (and I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar on this) there are more breeders in reactionary chatter does that mean you guys can now follow up your male-gaze drooling bullshit with calling any bloke that doesn't appreciate it a limp-wristed whoopsie?

I honestly don't understand what that last sentence meant. In dictionary english please (its not my first language so...)


The fact that it is mostly men posting here is a reason to be more careful about what you post, not less. After all there are fewer women calling you out.

I am not careless about what I post


Oh. My mistake. Apparently every man who doesn't obsess over women (like gay men or asexuals) is lesser or at least deviating from their "biological programming". Must be beacause they're unnatural wrongcocks or something.

Ha...phail

Its perfectly natural for men to be attracted to other men and or other things, what I don't understand is why the hell me and others talking about women is somehow "aggressing" against them or against gay/asexual people. They are perfectly ABLE to discuss men here too. Why don't they? There is plenty of space until we reach another 500th post.


Honestly though this is a piss poor excuse for your behaviour. I obsess over sex, men and women all the god damn time (one woman in particular...*sigh*) but I manage to keep my dick from springing out of my trousers when I post in RC. Maybe you should excerise a little self control rather than stomping about and continuing in behaviour that is making our members uncomfortable.

I always keep my dick from springing out of my trousers when I post in RC. Every single fucking comment i made about girls was not "sexual" in the least. The "sexiest" thing i've said so far is "cute" and "<3". Oh right...i forgot, i'm the douchebag just because I want to share my "facial-symmetry beliefs"/"shoulder-to-waste-ratio" with other people...:rolleyes:

If i'm making other members unforcomtable (and i'm NOT breaking forum rules) either they ignore my posts or they change the forum rules. Simple.


Any more of it and I will consider wielding my might admin powers at you.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is oppression at its best (even though its only a forum, you guys and gals need to maintain "thought purity", am i right? ... :rolleyes:)

[Bud Struggle]

Hey Marl3L--you are GREAT!

[Ele'ill]

I think this calls for a thread in the main section.

[eyedrop]

I find that very easy to believe: sticking just over a metre of steel sword through someone's ribcage is probably considered uncouth by most systems of manners and I don't imagine that the age of chivalry saw too much in the way of soap. That and the class from which knights were drawn are generally twats anyway.
My significant other was reading some cultural anthropology book today, and according to it chivalry wasn't even invented as a concept yet, at the time of the chivalrous white knights :)

[Robert]

mods ban a girl as soon as she comesYou may think that's funny, mister, but I do not.:closedeyes:


First in Et tu, mari?:crying:


Finally, have fun.

If you insist.

[Havet]

Consider the idea that sex is projected at youth the same way that fast food, cigarettes and booze is. Domestic violence. A friend of mine works at a job core type center. Dealing with troubled young people and the trend is the women project themselves as pop culture sluts where the men feel as though this is perfectly acceptable. The catch is that when there's sex there isn't- it's rape- and by rape I mean it literally as the men get charged and the women get a trip to the hospital. The females want the attention that the men feel is a go ahead for what they deserve. We've had numerous conversations about this issue and it can be linked directly to what they watch on tv and what they read. When they come from a broken home where the only attention they get is abusive attention it creates an issue where they want to be that- the other issue is who their rolemodels are- the easiest is those on the media pipeline preaching the 'you've had a bad life thus far- this is how to be an adult'.

Everyone picks their own rolemodel. People still hold incredible amounts of choice, especially with the internet out there. There is no excuse to remain ignorant.

Do you think that I value men/women as artificial as you are describing? I do not, and most people don't. Thankfully they are not the majority but I too worry about their influence. Everytime the topic is brought up I do my share of reasoning with other people in order to "enlighten" them. Of course I always keep a foot behind in case i'm commiting some logical error, but most of the times people agree with my take. And the funny thing is, they agree with me and still value those other fake plastic people!

Why is that? Its easy to blame corporations and the state because they hold the greater share of the power, but individuals still have a choice. And their ability to recognize that choice is, if we were to start blaming, more connected with forceful/mandatory public/private shcooling than anything else. But I don't like to blame others too often. People have to accept responsability.

And if in the end they choose to worship such fake plastic role models whatever the utopian socio-economic system in place, then that should tell you something about the nature of subjective human value.



Perhaps the fact that you were making such posts on a political forum and thought it acceptable means that you are not self-aware and controlling of your emotions.

I was making "such" posts in the only non-political part of the political forum...


This is ridiculous. If the audience had a grip on reality from the get go maybe. Those targeted are young people, they grow up with this stuff being pounded into their heads so they think it's real. It creates a false reality. The people that do come to understand what's wrong with it may still act that way because they want the attention and have not learned of another way , a healthy and non harming, way to get it.

They can choose not to watch the commercials on television

They can choose to ignore billboard ads

Since most people on the western world have access to internet, there is no excuse to continue having those backward beliefs.


The majority can often times be completely wrong.

Touché

[Ele'ill]

and to the main oi section we go ...

[Ele'ill]

I posted a reply in the 'Sexism' thread in the main oi area if anyone's interested.

I don't think that stuff should fill up this thread.

[Jazzratt]

My significant other was reading some cultural anthropology book today, and according to it chivalry wasn't even invented as a concept yet, at the time of the chivalrous white knights :)

Well, well. I learn something new every day it seems.

[Bud Struggle]

I posted a reply in the 'Sexism' thread in the main oi area if anyone's interested.

I don't think that stuff should fill up this thread.


HINT HINT --to the great and worthy Admin who is soverign lord of alll things OI

I'm charging 500,000 pounds if anyone wants to get an audence with Jazz. :D

[Jazzratt]

To be honest I think that now that thread has been made we've seen the last of this bullshit in the RC thread so there's no need to do any splitting; I am only slightly influenced by the fact I can't be arsed.

[Robert]

I can't be arsed.

Not at all? If you're that uptight, try a quaalude.

[Jazzratt]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/6063682/Peter+Murphy+0013.jpg
Having seen this picture I can die happy.

[Bud Struggle]

Kind of a big nose--don't you think? :cool:

[Robert]

Are you being biggist?

[Bud Struggle]

Biggism is wrong, is't it? :(

[Robert]

Not at all.

I'd give some examples, but today ain't the right day, know what I mean?:laugh:

[Jazzratt]

Kind of a big nose--don't you think? :cool:

Not really. Certainly not disproportionately large or whatever.

[Robert]

What do you call a North Korean apparatchik who drinks too much?


A Jucher.

[Bud Struggle]

Not really. Certainly not disproportionately large or whatever.


Only kidding.

He's really cute.

[Che a chara]

Nice little diddy by Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam) called 'I am a Patriot', which he sang at a Ralph Nader rally in 2000.

It should register with all, as it's lyrics are neutral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MEqtYVt7xI


And the rivers shall open for the righteous...
And the rivers shall open for the righteous...
And the rivers shall open for the righteous someday...

I was walking with my brother,
And he wondered, oh how I am.
Said what I believe in my soul
Ain't what I see with my eyes,
And there's no turning back this time.

I am a patriot, and I love my country,
Because my country is all I know.
Wanna be with my family,
People who understand me.
I got no place else to go.

I am a patriot

I was walking with my boyfriend.
He looked so fine, I said
"Baby, what's on your mind?"
I want to run like the lions
Released from their cages...
Released from the rages
Burning in my soul tonight.

I am a patriot

And I ain't no communist,
And I ain't no socialist,
And I ain't no capitalist,
And I ain't no imperialist,
And I ain't no democrat,
Sure as fuck ain't no republican either,
I only know one party,
And that is freedom.
I am...I am...I am...

I am a patriot, and I love my country,
Because my country is all I know.

And the rivers shall open for the righteous,
And the rivers shall open for the righteous,
And the rivers shall open for the righteous someday...
Someday...someday... someday...

[Che a chara]

WTF is an acronym ?

[Robert]

it's lyrics are neutral:

Not quite: "Sure as fuck ain't no republican either.":) He's a liberal.

C.I.A., F.B.I., N.H.S., NASA, I.R.A., and KGB are all acronyms.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism)

[Che a chara]

Not quite: "Sure as fuck ain't no republican either.":) He's a liberal.

yeah, suppose... left liberal maybe because he mentions boyfriend as opposed to girlfriend which is in the original .....


C.I.A., F.B.I., N.H.S., NASA, I.R.A., and KGB are all acronyms.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41489000/jpg/_41489696_bluepet.jpg

:w00t: :lol:

[Che a chara]

Is it just me or is links not forwarding properly and only going to something like this:

http://api.viglink.com/ .........

[#FF0000]

Yeah I've been getting that too. It's weird.

In other news: Bright Eyes is fucking baller and everyone should listen to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaV-nGQ5yqw

[Ele'ill]

All restricted OI members should change their Avatars to Lost characters. No duplicates though.

[Che a chara]

All restricted OI members should change their Avatars to Lost characters. No duplicates though.

Fuck Lost.

Thank fuck i never got into it. from what i've been hearing it was all one big dud. plenty of confused people and ones who knew what was going on half way through. so many confusions that you had to watch the programme 2 or 3 times. sounded really head-doing. but it did have Evangeline Lilly (that sexist ?:p)

[Bud Struggle]

Fuck Lost.

Thank fuck i never got into it. from what i've been hearing it was all one big dud. plenty of confused people and ones who knew what was going on half way through. so many confusions that you had to watch the programme 2 or 3 times. sounded really head-doing. but it did have Evangeline Lilly (that sexist ?:p)

You DEFINITELY should be unrestricted. You have the attitude to be a RevLeft Commie. ;) :D

[Bud Struggle]

All restricted OI members should change their Avatars to Lost characters. No duplicates though.

Good point.

Who are more "lost" around here than the people in OI? :)

[Che a chara]

You DEFINITELY should be unrestricted. You have the attitude to be a RevLeft Commie. ;) :D

You are a wise man Bud. One of the OI's greatest thinkers. Once I have been upgraded, you my friend, will live long in my memory.

As for Lost, damn, the pilot show cost upward of $15m :eek: ..... and seriously was there any watchers here ?

[Left-Reasoning]

You are a wise man Bud. One of the OI's greatest thinkers. Once I have been upgraded, you my friend, will live long in my memory.

As for Lost, damn, the pilot show cost upward of $15m :eek: ..... and seriously was there any watchers here ?

Not I.

[Robert]

All restricted OI members should change their Avatars to Lost characters. No duplicates though.

Wait, I don't get it. What are you guys talking about?

[Robert]

The organ player in Bright Eyes got me looking around and I found this young guy who plays the hell out of a B-3. They call it jazz but I really think it's blues.
If anybody knows, is he French or Canadian?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RS2LTKq9ss&feature=related

[Ele'ill]

I am on episode 27 of Lost- While various things are compiling, downloading and paint/ink drying.

[Bud Struggle]

I am on episode 27 of Lost- While various things are compiling, downloading and paint/ink drying.

I'm very much like Sawyer (a prototypical Cappie) in real life. :cool:

[Ele'ill]

I'm very much like Sawyer (a prototypical Cappie) in real life. :cool:


Yeah, if I remember correctly he was hording resources/supplies in the first episode until he got the shit beaten from him by the other survivors. :)

[Bud Struggle]

Yeah, if I remember correctly he was hording resources/supplies in the first episode until he got the shit beaten from him by the other survivors. :)

Well, I'm like him mostly because I'm darkly romantic and mysterious--but also for your reason, too. :)

[Robert]

paint/ink drying.You making more posters, Mari? You go, girl!

http://www.pjtv.com/content-images/1%20ATP/DallasTeaParty_ProtestBabe_1.jpg

[Ele'ill]

You making more posters, Mari? You go, girl!

http://www.pjtv.com/content-images/1%20ATP/DallasTeaParty_ProtestBabe_1.jpg

If I remember correctly most of the people holding those signs couldn't explain what socialism was. :thumbup1:

[Robert]

If I remember correctly most of the people holding those signs couldn't explain what socialism was. :thumbup1:I can:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:pb2FUUO2rxjNQM:http://opinionhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/socialism.jpg

Shoot straight, comrades, that's all I ask, i.e., "one ball, that's all." :lol:

Naw, I don't mean that mari. You would never shoot me. (Coughing and laughing nervously, Rob exits, stage ... right.)

[Che a chara]

maximum choonage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5HpM69jqhM&feature=related

[Che a chara]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD8ljNobUys

[Che a chara]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYYVeBdqaM

[#FF0000]

Primitivists are fucking stupid.

[Ele'ill]

Primitivists are fucking stupid.

The ones that are at the end of the links posted on this forum, yes.

[Robert]

Primitivists are fucking stupid.

Alrighty then. But um, where the hell did that come from?

And are there as many dumb primitivists as there are dumb Miseans?

[Ele'ill]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100527/sc_livescience/sharkattacksmostlikelyonsundayin6feetofwater

[#FF0000]

Alrighty then. But um, where the hell did that come from?

I was talking to a primitivist and asked how could a population of 6 billion survive through hunting and gathering. They said I was insinuating that billions would have to die to have a primitivist society and then proceded to give me an argument that amounted to "Industrial society kills people already so why are you so hard on primitivism for it!".


And are there as many dumb primitivists as there are dumb Miseans?

More, because there are more miseans than primitivists, I think.

[Robert]

The primitivists are very hard to count because they're back in them woods and up in them trees.

I don't mean to get heavy in the chatter thread, but I think one of you communists' problems is that you are so utterly contemptuous of every philosophy except your own. Catholics, preachers, Buddhists, mystics, reformists, monarchists, Miseans, Capitalists, Primitivists, they're all "stupid" and worthy of contempt, right? Some of them should have been aborted by their mothers and all that.

I never knew primitivism even existed until you told me how "fucking stupid" they are. So I looked at an essay over on one of their websites. Here's an excerpt:

Primitivism is the pursuit of ways of life running counter to the development of technology, its alienating antecedents, and the ensemble of changes wrought by both.
Technology is here defined as tool use based upon division of labor...that is, tool manufacture and utilization that has become sufficiently complex to require specialization, implying both a separation and eventual stratification among individuals in the community, along with the rise of toil in the form of specialized, repetitive tasks ....


The factors showing the necessity of primitivism are many, and may include



an awareness that some societies in history and pre-history compare favorably with our own in many respects. The best known example of this may be the relative leisure of nomadic hunter-gatherer societies in comparison with the omnipresence of work in modern industrial society.

a realization of the environmental destruction that appears as a necessary concomitant of technological progress.

a concern over the predictions of technological progress made by Kurzweil, Moravec, et al, 2 (http://www.primitivism.com/what-is-primitivism.htm#technology) describing the fast emergence of genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and in particular artificial intelligence systems that could subject biological humans to economic and environmental pressures with which our species may be unable to cope.....

Primitivism today is an inchoate tendency, particularly considering the enormity of its goal. Within the context of an open society, the success of primitivism would require the apparent superiority of a primitivist approach to a technological one in almost every area that is ultimately germane to human well-being. Anything short of this accomplishment may involve a synthesis of primitivist and technological approaches in our society, but not the ousting of the latter by the former.

....
Does the trajectory of primitivism by itself reveal the most advantageous mode of existence for human beings? That is a question that nobody can answer. Whether our path should be primitivism, technology, or some synthesis between the two, it is time to think clearly about the days ahead. What is important is the development of a range of options for bettering the human condition, and it is in the expansion of those options that we can find our path to the best possible way of life.

http://www.primitivism.com/what-is-primitivism.htm

Am I ready to throw out my 10 year old :( TV and move to the woods based on such sentiments? No, but the writer makes eminently reasonable points there and expresses them with tolerance and sensitivity. I find those qualities lacking in much of what I read on Revleft.

Now pass the meade and tell me again how you slayed that saber toothed tiger back in the olde days.

[#FF0000]

The primitivists are very hard to count because they're back in them woods and up in them trees.

I don't mean to get heavy in the chatter thread, but I think one of you communists' problems is that you are so utterly contemptuous of every philosophy except your own.

Yeah I think that's a pretty fair assessment, but I think that's just more this forum than the left in general. I personally don't care that much at all about reformists or religious people. Libertarians and really really enthusiastic religious people, though...


Catholics, preachers, Buddhists, mystics, reformists, monarchists, Miseans, Capitalists, Primitivists, they're all "stupid" and worthy of contempt, right? Some of them should have been aborted by their mothers and all that

This is a fair assessment too.


I never knew primitivism even existed until you told me how "fucking stupid" they are. So I looked at an essay over on one of their websites. Here's an excerpt:

This is all very different from what the primitivists I know (and the primitivists all of revleft hates) say!

These primitivists (anarcho-primitivists!) seem to want a total return to nature and actually complain about technology being authoritarian.

Probably doesn't refer to all primitivists, and just the ones I'm most familiar with.

[Robert]

This is all very different from what the primitivists I know (and the primitivists all of revleft hates) say!

Well, now that you see what we're really all about, we're glad to have you on board, man!

I would for real join any political party (except the fascists!) that outlawed the use of cell phones in cars and in public places. I can't get away from the damned things.

To my knowledge, only the primmies favor a move away from such modern abominations.

[Bud Struggle]

I want to hunt and gather Miseans.
:)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

You making more posters, Mari? You go, girl!

http://www.pjtv.com/content-images/1%20ATP/DallasTeaParty_ProtestBabe_1.jpg

I wonder if tea party events may be a good place to pick up women.

[IcarusAngel]

Qd9UTA-ATRU Police shoot woman after gun pulled on census worker.

[Jazzratt]

Oh christ. I'm worried by and angered by our new government. My dad may well lose his job and anyone out of work (like myself) will be forced to do menial tasks in order to qualify for government assistance. What the fuck is that tyranical bullshit?

Not to mention they're privatising fucking everything and removing market restrictions. A bunch of fucking arseholes if you ask me.

[Robert]

I wonder if tea party events may be a good place to pick up women. Abe, you beast! Here me and Bud are just trying to make an honest buck off the revolution and you are thinking sex! Not to worry, though. The Stalinists will keep us all focused on the goal line. :)

jazz, we all sincerely hope your and your father's situation rapidly improves, but someone has to do menial jobs. Whom would you suggest (besides me, I mean:blink:)?

[Jazzratt]

jazz, we all sincerely hope your and your father's situation rapidly improves

Thank you. :)


but someone has to do menial jobs. Whom would you suggest (besides me, I mean:blink:)?

People who are actually hired to do those jobs and are therefore able to enjoy the same protection in the workplace enjoyed by other workers, are entitled to a minimum wage and can take other benefits (paid holiday, bonuses and so on). The people who currently do it, in fact. The only thing that will happen when people on the dole are forced to, for example, pick litter off the streets is that the people who already do the job (in this case streetcleaners hired by the council) will be out of work as well.

Unwaged, non-voluntary work is also known as something else, by the way, but I just can't put my finger on it...

[Bud Struggle]

jazz, we all sincerely hope your and your father's situation rapidly improves,

I second that. I wish you and your family well.

[Bud Struggle]

Now the problem that I've been mentioning that I have with the ideal of "Class Warfare" is that (at least here in America) everyone looks the same--you can't tell a Proletarian from a Bourgeois by the way he looks or dresses. Everyone looks "Middle Class." So..............

I propose all Cappies start to wear a bit of a "uniform." The ascot.

http://ny-image0.etsy.com/il_430xN.25026656.jpg


This way in the class war we Capitalists could know who is on our side and who we should be fighting.

It's a traditional upper class garment, so I'm not doing anything new. It has a bit of style and flair. We Cappies should know each other in a crowd. And it should be the standard dress of all OIers. It's just the kind of thing a Commie would never wear.

http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/stylechannel/blog/060911/jeremy_piven_300x400.jpg

A question--do people wear these things in Britain or Europe? I've never seen anyone acually wear one in real life here in America.

[Robert]

Too bloody right we wear them in England, olde boy ... "weah" them, I daresay. Harrumph!

http://www.tomsawyerwaistcoats.co.uk/webupload/TSAWYER/SMALL/tie-a-cravat-main.jpg

[eyedrop]

I'll raise you guys a foulard.

http://www.faberfantin.com/index_files/copy_of_index_files/fantin_portrait.jpg


Note the foulard which was an anarchist dress symbol.

http://www.faberfantin.com/

[Bud Struggle]

Forget Class Warfare--we've got FASHION WARFARE! :D

[Robert]

That foulard is really happening. Note he has a matching hankie in the breast pocket. The hat is serious too. In all, a winning look.

Now, how can I say this delicately? ... it does lack a certain ... manliness that would make me uneasy wearing it in public.

[Bud Struggle]

Now, how can I say this delicately? ... it does lack a certain ... manliness that would make me uneasy wearing it in public.

Unlike the uber-manly ascot! :)

From the Art of Manliness!

http://artofmanliness.com/2008/07/06/vintage-charming-mens-fashion/

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2008/07/ascot.jpg

Actually that's a great website that every Cappie should read. :D

[eyedrop]

http://www.faberfantin.com/index_files/copy_of_index_files/fantin_portrait.jpg

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http://www.hypebeast.com/image/2009/12/plein-2010-spring-summer-anarchist-cowboy-1.jpg

"Anarchist Cowboy" collection (http://hypebeast.com/2009/12/plein-2010-springsummer-anarchist-cowboy-collection/)

Considering the degradation in Anarchist fashion it's no wonder our glory years were in the past.

[Bud Struggle]

Here's a great article about how to start a business (till the Revolution comes, of course,) on no money. The article is great--and so are the comments. These guys are DEAD ON in their understand of the small business market works and how to do well in it. Written by real people with real experience.

http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/18/how-to-start-a-business-with-limited-funds/






Considering the degradation in Anarchist fashion it's no wonder our glory years were in the past.

I'm embarassed for you Anarchists. Alas, we Bourgeois fair no better. :(

http://vls.destinyslobster.com/images/munson_suit.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3451988489_a539486588.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

Having a cookout/dinner party. Wearing an ASCOT as we speak!

This is gong to catch on!

[#FF0000]

Reactionary Chatter is now where I post music I like so you can all learn to be a neato keen hipster like myself.

the pillows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWIrPL4IhZ0

[Jazzratt]

Haha. Oh wow, I haven't listened to the pillows for fucking ages. I really got into them after enjoying their stuff on the FLCL soundtrack.




...I'm not nearly as nerdy as this post implies :lol:

[#FF0000]

Haha. Oh wow, I haven't listened to the pillows for fucking ages. I really got into them after enjoying their stuff on the FLCL soundtrack.




...I'm not nearly as nerdy as this post implies :lol:

the pillows are probably one of the best bands ever. And FLCL is fantastic.

I remember back when all I knew about anime was FLCL and Cowboy Bebop and Gundam Wing and i thought it was the coolest shit ever. Then I found Inuyasha and realized I was traversing a very dangerous, dark path.

[#FF0000]

Speaking of Cowboy Bebop

The Seatbelts - Tank!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zDfxZ4NcE

[Bud Struggle]

^^^Where do you watch this stuff? Interesting, and I think the pillows were pretty decent.

[#FF0000]

^^^Where do you watch this stuff? Interesting, and I think the pillows were pretty decent.

Cartoon network has a late-night block called [Adult Swim] where they play Family Guy and all that. On Saturdays they play all the Japanese stuff, which is usually terrible except for Cowboy Bebop and FLCL. Bebop's on at some insane hour like 3:00 AM now, and FLCL is on at 5.

EDIT: Looks like they have two episodes you can watch online at Adultswim.com (http://video.adultswim.com/cowboy-bebop/index.html)

It's good stuff. Space noir or something.

[Ele'ill]

I used to watch Space Ghost Coast To Coast and the other various ones they had on. Then I'd watch HBO's Band of Brothers, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Oz (which I really liked) It was like five hours of tv.

[Skooma Addict]

Anyone ever see that show called Super Jail? Man that show is weird.

@Bud:

Play this game to get a feel of what Adult Swim is all about. It is easy enough for noob gamers such as yourself, and I think you will really dig the music.

http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html

[Robert]

Today I walked along a semi dry riverbed about 60 miles from my house. This riverbed is known to fossil hunters as being prolific in production of fossilized remains of animals that swam in the ocean that covered Texas millions of years ago.

You could make out hundreds of big clamshell impressions in the riverbed, and after about an hour of further scrutinizing the bed, I chanced upon several paleolithic remains of bone. And after another hour, I found a fossilized vertebra that looked like the one here, second from the top on the left:

http://northtexasfossils.com/reptilia.htm

I'm not sure how they know, but the fossil hounds who hunt here are confident that these vertebrae of this size come from an animal called a mosasaur, which looked like this:

http://www.makli.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Mosasaur.jpg

and lived in the late cretaceous epoch, over 50 million years ago. Interesting day. I won't do it again though. Water moccasins EVERYWHERE! Well, too many for comfort anyway.

[MarxSchmarx]

and lived in the late cretaceous epoch, over 50 million years agoIt goes further than that - the Cretaceous ended 65 million years ago. Late cretaceous would be about 80-65 million years ago.

Water moccasins EVERYWHERE! Well, too many for comfort anyway.Strangely enough, Mosasaurs are believed to be closely related to modern snakes and some speculate that in fact snakes lost their legs in the ocean and returned to land.

[Robert]

Marx, do you happen to know how one can safely assume, as fossil collecors around here do, that a given fossilized vertebra from over 50 million years ago came from "a mosasaur"?

It seems like an awfully specific claim based on one bone, unless the word "mosasaur" encompasses far more kinds of reptiles than I thought.

[Bud Struggle]

http://www.makli.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Mosasaur.jpg



He looks like he's a Cappie to me. :)

[Robert]

Which one?:crying:

[Bud Struggle]

It could be the taxpayer and the national debt, too. :D

[Bud Struggle]

My Latest project--to duplicate someting like this (in my limited way)

Sing and play bass. This is just brilliant.
Dianne Reeves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC7v7Ty0Cfc

[Bud Struggle]

Dup post

[IcarusAngel]

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lol.. capitalism.

[Robert]

Is there anything non-political that makes a commie "LOL"?

[Ele'ill]

Is there anything non-political that makes a commie "LOL"?

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[Ele'ill]

I may live in Oregon now but my heart is still in Philadelphia.

Lets go Philadelphia Flyers!

Who would have thought? Stanley Cup Finals!

[Ele'ill]

What a stupid intro though

[MarxSchmarx]

do you happen to know how one can safely assume, as fossil collecors around here do, that a given fossilized vertebra from over 50 million years ago came from "a mosasaur"?


I suspect (although I do not know the specifics) they infer this based on three factors - the size, the shape of the articular part (one end of the "socket"), and the stratigraphic layer in which it was found. The first and third are usually sufficient, because if you find a large vertebrae in a marine layer from the late cretaceous in Texas, the only other candidates might be plesiosaurs or elasmosaurs - which, due to their extended necks, have very distinct vertebral formations. So the conclusion that the bone came from a mosasaur is, I suspect, quite reasonably arrived at.



It seems like an awfully specific claim based on one bone, unless the word "mosasaur" encompasses far more kinds of reptiles than I thought.

Likely it does. Mosasaurs are short hand for Mosasauridae - a family. For example, dogs are a family (Canidae, with wolves foxes and whatnot), cats and lions are a family (Felidae) - thus they encompass a wide array of organisms.

Anyway you should post a picture here. It's pretty impressive to find the fossil of such a large animal on a casual dig - I know several people who went on several fossil hunting trips and have come up with little more than the occasional coke bottle to show for it.

[Ele'ill]

www.dinosaursounds.com

[Ele'ill]

one of my favorite websites in the world

[Robert]

Lets go Philadelphia Flyers!


Down with reactionary municipalism!

Naw, I'm just kidding. I get excited about the Cowboys, Philly's favorite football team.:lol:

[Bud Struggle]

Marx, do you happen to know how one can safely assume, as fossil collecors around here do, that a given fossilized vertebra from over 50 million years ago came from "a mosasaur"?

It seems like an awfully specific claim based on one bone, unless the word "mosasaur" encompasses far more kinds of reptiles than I thought.

Speaking of One Million Years BC--the first Proletarian Revolt happened around that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbOZLV783HI&feature=related

[Robert]

Original post deleted as ... imprudent.

Great movie, though.

[Ele'ill]

Down with reactionary municipalism!

Naw, I'm just kidding. I get excited about the Cowboys, Philly's favorite football team.:lol:


I enjoy watching people pull through tough times even in situations when it's staged and ultimately meaningless.

[Ele'ill]

:lol: @ Robert's avatar image

[Ele'ill]

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[Jazzratt]

Original post deleted as ... imprudent.

You also spelled "atlatl" wrong.

[Robert]

Damn, I'm having to delete everything lately.

Power to the people.

That's probably safe.

on edit: all people!

[Robert]

I love America, apple pie, and baseball. They are all great. Motherhood is fine, but pie and ball games are best.

Certain people want to take away both my pie and my baseball games and make me go to meetings, wear a leather hat with a short brim, smile, and clap when they speak.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:59UDOUjWLlGDeM:http://www.diabetesdaily.com/grace/2008/09/18/Motherhood_and_apple_pie.jpg

Don't tell me that pie don't look good. Something about that green granny smith up against those ... Macintoshes, you think?

[Bud Struggle]

I love America, apple pie, and baseball. They are all great. Motherhood is fine, but pie and ball games are best.

Certain people want to take away both my pie and my baseball games and make me go to meetings, wear a leather hat with a short brim, smile, and clap when they speak.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:59UDOUjWLlGDeM:http://www.diabetesdaily.com/grace/2008/09/18/Motherhood_and_apple_pie.jpg

That your pic? It's pretty good. :)

[Robert]

Alas, no. I wish I could shoot that well.

[Bud Struggle]

Alas, no. I wish I could shoot that well.

You should post a few pics. :thumbup1:

[Robert]

I call this dish "Eggs Gackois." They make a bold statement and are my favorite. But this ain't my photo, either. And I can't believe this guy didn't sprinkle a little paprika on top. Nice, red paprika.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jBOer78lWib2vM:http://thespinningplate.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/91.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

Pics of Stalins underground bunker during WWII. Seemed Homie lived large.

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/08/10/the-bunker-for-stalin/

Interesting.

[Robert]

Great stuff. The fash were coming on strong from the West and he was pooping little green apples at one point, I imagine.

[#FF0000]

So I'm gonna see The Russian Circles and BORIS in August and it is gonna be baller. This is what I am going to be hearing that day.

Russian Circles - Carpe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYW1pY3hFA

BORIS - My Neighbor Satan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs6AjuzJJNk

The guy with the double-neck guitar is actually holding a double neck bass/guitar. Their bassist left the band ages ago so now one guy just plays guitar and bass at once.

[Robert]

The Russian Circles clip is great.

Boris is over my head.

How do you know what is going to be on the play list in August? They may play
Waltzing Matilda and There's a Stain in My Jockey Shorts for all you know.

[#FF0000]

The Russian Circles clip is great.

Boris is over my head.

How do you know what is going to be on the play list in August? They may play
Waltzing Matilda and There's a Stain in My Jockey Shorts for all you know.

Guesses and Hope.

Though I doubt Boris will be playing My Neighbor Satan for some reason. They'll almost definitely play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WkaeBZ1kGU

[#FF0000]

Man I am trying to help you guys be cool but it is tough sometimes.

[Ele'ill]

How?

[#FF0000]

How?

I am trying to help you all be cool by showing all of you how to listen to cool music.

It is hard because you are all really uncool and it's hard to fix!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bud Struggle]

I am trying to help you all be cool by showing all of you how to listen to cool music.

It is hard because you are all really uncool and it's hard to fix!!!!!!!!!!!

The Best (if I may call you that for short,) don't forget we're in OI--we're uncool in more ways than one. :(

I actually enjoy your song selections!

[Ele'ill]

Hey gang, I want to apologize. It was brought to my attention that some of my recent posts were a bit aggressive. My motive for apologizing is to publicly take a bit of responsibility in regards to competent posting and internet forum etiquette. Should new forum members see this- I think it's important to note that Anarchists can be called out by Capitalists and Social Democrats without retaliation involving hammers and bolt cutters. Sometimes it's a human issue and has nothing to do with politics. Thanks. :thumbup1:

[Bud Struggle]

Hey gang, I want to apologize. It was brought to my attention that some of my recent posts were a bit aggressive. My motive for apologizing is to publicly take a bit of responsibility in regards to competent posting and internet forum etiquette. Should new forum members see this- I think it's important to note that Anarchists can be called out by Capitalists and Social Democrats without retaliation involving hammers and bolt cutters. Sometimes it's a human issue and has nothing to do with politics. Thanks. :thumbup1:

I personally think you are wonderful and I appreciate all of your post. If by chance you get a bit over the top with your comments I recognize it as the flame of justice and righteousness that burns inside you sparking over the top. There is nothing wrong with that.

Bud

[Robert]

I am trying to help you all be cool by showing all of you how to listen to cool music.And we appreciate it. Let us help you in turn by teaching you some hipper language: We young people don't say "cool" anymore. We say ...

"far out".

[#FF0000]

"far out".

oh thats cool im have a date tonight and im gonna say far out all the time

EDIT: YOU GUYS LIED TO ME FAR OUT ISN'T COOL

[Robert]

A date? We don't "date" anymore, we "hook up."

Get with it, grandpa.

[Bud Struggle]

A guide for the Anarcho-perplexed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Anarchist_flags_and_stars.svg/300px-Anarchist_flags_and_stars.svg.png

[Robert]

Too bad the purple one is taken. It would have been a splendid banner for:

anarcho-monarchism.

[Bud Struggle]

Something interesting: The Babe Theory of Social Protest.

The Babe Theory, first described by P.J. O'Rourke in his Parliament of Whores book:

"Best of all, there were hardly any beautiful women at the [Housing Now!] rally. I saw a journalist friend of mine in the Mall, and he and I purused this line of inquiry as assiduously as our happy private lives allow. Practically every female at the march was a bowser. "We're not being sexist here," my friend insisted. "It's not that looks matter per se. It's just that beautiful women are always on the cutting edge of social trends. Remember how many beautiful women were in the anti-war movement twenty years ago? In the yoga classes fifteen years ago? At the discos ten years ago? On Wall Street five years ago? Where the beautiful women are is where the country is headed," said my friend. "And this," he looked around him, "isn't it."
Look for the babes, and that's where the social action is, that's where the success will be.


...the concept of "hot left-wing chicks" has gone from a nostalgic abstraction to a flat-out laughable oxymoron.

At left-wing protests in America today, it is more common to see this:

http://www.willisms.com/archives/wildeyedcommunistlady.JPG



http://www.willisms.com/archives/2005/03/more_on_the_bab_1.html

The examples in the article are a bit out of date (2005} but overall the author makes an interesting point.

[#FF0000]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2681/rstandard.gif

[Ele'ill]

Something interesting: The Babe Theory of Social Protest.

The Babe Theory, first described by P.J. O'Rourke in his Parliament of Whores book:

"Best of all, there were hardly any beautiful women at the [Housing Now!] rally. I saw a journalist friend of mine in the Mall, and he and I purused this line of inquiry as assiduously as our happy private lives allow. Practically every female at the march was a bowser. "We're not being sexist here," my friend insisted. "It's not that looks matter per se. It's just that beautiful women are always on the cutting edge of social trends. Remember how many beautiful women were in the anti-war movement twenty years ago? In the yoga classes fifteen years ago? At the discos ten years ago? On Wall Street five years ago? Where the beautiful women are is where the country is headed," said my friend. "And this," he looked around him, "isn't it."
Look for the babes, and that's where the social action is, that's where the success will be.


...the concept of "hot left-wing chicks" has gone from a nostalgic abstraction to a flat-out laughable oxymoron.

At left-wing protests in America today, it is more common to see this:

http://www.willisms.com/archives/wildeyedcommunistlady.JPG



http://www.willisms.com/archives/2005/03/more_on_the_bab_1.html

The examples in the article are a bit out of date (2005} but overall the author makes an interesting point.


Simply not accurate. There are a lot of attractive female activists and organizers.

[Ele'ill]

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[Bud Struggle]

Simply not accurate. There are a lot of attractive female activists and organizers.


I'm only quoting the theory. I don't of course believe it. :)

[Ele'ill]

So how many of you revlefters smoke cigarettes?

[#FF0000]

musics

This is some interesting stuff. I've been getting more into dance/electronic music like this. Lately I've been listening to Yelle a lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmLjZrH0VlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLTGxNuSzW4

I can only imagine how folks react when they see a big lumberjack looking motherfucker like myself blasting this with the windows down.


So how many of you revlefters smoke cigarettes?

I'm not big on them but I do smoke cheap cigars in the woods with friends as we talk about dismantling capitalism.

[Jazzratt]

So how many of you revlefters smoke cigarettes?

Constantly. I like hand-rolled with licourice papers, by preference. Old Holborn tobacco for the win.

[Raúl Duke]

Mari3L is right, but it probably depends on where/what organization and cause. Even than, it would be wrong to assume that you won't find attractive people at all in the far-left or involved in social causes.

I was at the last SFA Encuentro and there were a few pretty girls who looked normal (like at least 1/3 or half), besides the more edgy New-Age looking girls that most people stereotypically associate with activism these days (particularly environmentalist activism) who made up like 1/4-1/5. However, to be honest, I was under the impression that a lot of private university students where there versus those who went to public university.

I wouldn't know how it measures up in a M-L or anarchist organization. Although to be honest, pretty M-List girls exist (even, surprisingly, in the anti-revisionist camp).

The only other anarchist I have met IRL has life-stylist tendencies (i.e. veganism) and while she may have somewhat of a grunge look she's not ugly either.


So how many of you revlefters smoke cigarettes? I usually smoke American Spirits, but I prefer to smoke Dunhills. I also have smoked Nat Sherman Naturals and they're pretty good but way too pricey.

When it comes to cheap cigarettes, I'll probably go for Marlboro.

Currently, I have not been smoking regularly. Perhaps I'm quitting. Who knows.


licourice papersthat sounds nice...I like licorice

The last time I had a rollie was in Brooklyn...I don't remember what kind of tobacco it was but it had a particular taste and ain't so bad. It came in a white pouch. I was too drunk to know what brand it was.

[Che a chara]

Simply not accurate. There are a lot of attractive female activists and organizers.

Lydia Guevara for one :)

[Bud Struggle]

Lydia Guevara for one :)

I don't think she a Revolutionary. Besides for her PETA ad she seem to be more of a media babe running around to New York parties than anything else.

I smoke cigars on occasion. I can't get Cubans anymore (DAMN that George Bush!) And further I kind of made a little mark with cigar ash on the ceiling of my wife's car which got me into a LOT OF TROUBLE. (Besides I'm not allowed to smoke in the house.) So I'm not doing much smoking these days. :(

[Robert]

How about that renegade Dutch girl in the Colombian thread that got everybody all pissed off around here? I won't say whether she was hot or not because I have no opinion and it's not because SOMEONE occasionally looks over my shoulder as I share my deep thoughts here. But if I had to say, I would say ... no comment.

Bud, didn't you used to have some photos and post them here of comm-ettes who were ... not at all unattractive?

Comm-ettes. Yes.

[Robert]

I got some Cubans in Mexico once and the shopkeeper put Mexican bands on them for me so as to fool U.S. Customs. I was walking toward the customs desk on my return and ended up throwing them in the trash, because I knew that if one of the agents had asked me "are you trying to smuggle in Cubans with Mexican bands," I would have admitted it, and I didn't want to pay a fine.

I found out later what those U.S. Customs agents do with confiscated Cuban cigars. They burn them. But not in an incinerator.

[Raúl Duke]

Lydia Guevara for one :)

I agree with Bud, she's not really that much an an activist (PETA, Pffff) and I doubt she's even a radical and even if she thought she was I'm getting the "champagne socialist" vibe due to that whole being related to Che thing can be seen as "cool" or whatever.

[Che a chara]

I don't think she a Revolutionary. Besides for her PETA ad she seem to be more of a media babe running around to New York parties than anything else.


I agree with Bud, she's not really that much an an activist (PETA, Pffff) and I doubt she's even a radical and even if she thought she was I'm getting the "champagne socialist" vibe due to that whole being related to Che thing can be seen as "cool" or whatever.

Well she has done her bit in the past. she's a feminist and an animal rights activist. i used to follow her blog, but she doesn't do it no more. she seemed very determined and always presented herself as a socialist (and che's granddaughter !!)

[Robert]

i used to follow her blog

When I first read that, I thought it said "I used to follow her dog." I thought, "to where"?

It's early here.

[Che a chara]

When I first read that, I thought it said "I used to follow her dog." I thought, "to where"?

erm, i would... to anywhere :blushing: ;)

[Bud Struggle]

Interesting guitar I've been looking at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhXwdSAG9Z4&feature=related

[Robert]

Q'back, I saw your thread on Deja Vu but can't contribute over there, but I thought you might be intrigued by my theory.

I think what happens is that when someone says something that sounds eerily familiar, or you see something that seems familiar, the memory circuits in your brain are just oscillating involuntarily, like when any other part of your body starts involuntarily twitching. You're seeing something and thinking about it and simultaneously experiencing memory of it, but all you are remembering is the thought that you had just a millisecond before. It produces an effect like holding a microphone near an amplifier and creating feedback howl.

So when you're saying "I've experienced this before", you have just sensed it before, like a millisecond before when you first saw or heard it. Then it gets more and more intense as the oscillation increases. You keep "remembering" it simultaneous with sensing it.

I've reached a point where I force myself to consider this possibility right as I am experiencing deja vu, and it immediately calms the sensation, just like pulling the microphone away from the amp to stop feedback howl. Too bad, in a way. What do you think?

[Robert]

Interesting guitar I've been looking at:

Great demo. Only question I had when it was over is whether you can play it in other keys. D tuning lends itself somewhat to Gmaj.

[Ele'ill]

de ja vu is caused by one eye recieving image data before the other and thus causing a false distant memory.

[Bud Struggle]

Great demo. Only question I had when it was over is whether you can play it in other keys. D tuning lends itself somewhat to Gmaj.

I imagine. But this is a very "I walk alone" kind of guitar. I don't think it's of any value in a band or group setting--but what it does is adds kind of a big backdrop to voice.

[Ele'ill]

How many of you play the piano?

Is it best to learn with a teacher or is it acceptable to learn by reading sheet music and working through it that way?

[Bud Struggle]

How many of you play the piano?

Is it best to learn with a teacher or is it acceptable to learn by reading sheet music and working through it that way?

I kind of do. I'm not too great--my main instrument is the guitar. But my daughter plays well (she also gives lessons strating this summer!)

Anyway to answer your question--if you want to learn to play Chopin and the Liszt and other difficult classicalists you definitely need lessons, they will shorten your learning curve by a good deal.

But if you want to learn for your own amusement and learn to play popular songe, etc. you can learn on your own. The most important thing is to PRACTICE. You are plenty of self teaching books out there I'm sure plenty of videos. Also there's this guy on PBS Scott Huston that does a pretty good job of teaching piano without going through a lot of fussing over theory.

Good luck--and practice.

[Bud Struggle]

I saw a pretty good East German/Polish science fiction movie from 1962 last night on TV. The First Spaceship on Venus. It was on the Retro Television Network. Great production values and they even had an American on the international crew.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053250/

[Ele'ill]

This is day two without cigarettes. I think I remembered where a little piece of a butt is that I'm probably going to smoke after this here coffee but we'll see. I should probably destroy it.

Yeah, I think I'm just going to learn the piano by playing songs I like- I used to play a long time ago and it's coming back to me now. I can read sheet music slowly and I really have no reason to play the piano unless I'm playing songs that I like- or creating songs which I've done.

-33MPuhTl4I


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Compare the two Tori is a fucking genius

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[Ele'ill]

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[Bud Struggle]

This is day two without cigarettes. I think I remembered where a little piece of a butt is that I'm probably going to smoke after this here coffee but we'll see. I should probably destroy it. GREAT IDEA. Loose the habit. there's more useful things to spend money on like beer. Seriously: nothing good comes from smoking--it's smelly.


Yeah, I think I'm just going to learn the piano by playing songs I like- I used to play a long time ago and it's coming back to me now. I can read sheet music slowly and I really have no reason to play the piano unless I'm playing songs that I like- or creating songs which I've done. Excellent, do that. And let's here some stuff you play. Post it here or PM me with some songs I'd LOVE to hear what you do.



Compare the two Tori is a fucking genius If I believed on reincarnation--I would want to come back as her piano bench.

[Invincible Summer]

The Knife!!!!

Oh my freaking god you listen to The Knife too?! You are now amazing.

What do you think of Fever Ray? I love Karin Dreijer's voice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLpkXtM-VI8

[Jazzratt]

Haven't posted any of my musical likes recently, so here are some:

Leandra

This was all from a live webcast she did a while back, stripped down versions of her songs:

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Android Lust

Such an awesome video, also apparently the song turned up on a major TV show, so that's good.

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And finally, because I can, Holst

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Mars being my favourite from the planet suite because I'm that mainstream.

[Ele'ill]

Oh my freaking god you listen to The Knife too?! You are now amazing.

What do you think of Fever Ray? I love Karin Dreijer's voice...




I've listened to The Knife for many years now and had only seen 'Fever Ray' in the side playlists recently and have not actually listened to it. Same female vocalist?

I love them. The lyrics tend to be smart, the vocals are bold and the combination of the music and vocals are fearlessly cinematic and gets my brain working when I want to write.

One of my favorite bands.

[Ele'ill]

In fact, a lot of The Knife's music and now that I've listened to Fever Ray's as well, sound like Kate Bush and even some of Cyndi Lauper's songs.

[Ele'ill]

I think I'm pretty good at piano. I just learned and can almost play with minimal mistakes or retries the first half of Aphex Twin's Avril 14th. It took about two hours. It involves both hands going at the same time. I have not played a song like that since I was probably 12 years old. :lol: It felt awesome.

[Robert]

Beef.

It's what's for dinner.

[#FF0000]

I'm never letting this get deleted.

[#FF0000]

Goddammit.

[Bud Struggle]

Goddammit.

Bud H. Struggle! :D

[Jazzratt]

Goddammit.

What you should have done is quoted him when he said:


Well all I can say is I ove all you commie bastids and I am NOT saying that just beciase aa high school frine dcma eon to townm and we reunited anmd had a few drinks and a very good dinnner. you commiem baistids/

so that even if he edited it (as he just did) everyone would still know that his post was this:


Well all I can say is I ove all you commie bastids and I am NOT saying that just beciase aa high school frine dcma eon to townm and we reunited anmd had a few drinks and a very good dinnner. you commiem baistids/

I'm fairly sure he'd have lived down saying this:


Well all I can say is I ove all you commie bastids and I am NOT saying that just beciase aa high school frine dcma eon to townm and we reunited anmd had a few drinks and a very good dinnner. you commiem baistids/

eventually, it's not like:


Well all I can say is I ove all you commie bastids and I am NOT saying that just beciase aa high school frine dcma eon to townm and we reunited anmd had a few drinks and a very good dinnner. you commiem baistids/

is all that embarassing after all.

[Robert]

Mari, I admire you for taking up the piano. It is a lovely instrument. My favorite player is Mac Rebennack, aka Dr. John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._John). When I hear the break starting at 2:31, below, I weep every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jhNZjVvzY

I am happy to talk piano or any of the other finer things of life with you, but not with CERTAIN PEOPLE who shatter my delicate wa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa_%28Japan%29) by copying and pasting incoherent posts and ascribing them to me.

Bud struggle it.

[Ele'ill]

The Piano has helped me go about 5 days without a cigarette- until I watch a Tom Waits music video then I want to smoke and drink myself to death so instead I watched the gag-reel of all 10 seasons of Friends (I hate the fucking show and have never watched an entire episode but the gag-reel was funny) and then I watched every episode of Survivorman and promptly cooked afterwards. It was all a bit surreal as it was done at night or early morning hours (which is when I have the time to goof off)

[Bud Struggle]

The Piano has helped me go about 5 days without a cigarette- until I watch a Tom Waits music video then I want to smoke and drink myself to death so instead I watched the gag-reel of all 10 seasons of Friends (I hate the fucking show and have never watched an entire episode but the gag-reel was funny) and then I watched every episode of Survivorman and promptly cooked afterwards. It was all a bit surreal as it was done at night or early morning hours (which is when I have the time to goof off)

Knock off the cigarettes. Smoke a cigar every now and then. Cuban if you can get it.

You seem to be pretty cool.

Glad you didn't got onto the Big Board. The best Commies of all are in OI. You are one of them.

[Ele'ill]

Yeah, I guess the unrestriction didn't go through. Before I give a statement on that I'd like to make sure it isn't still being voted on.

[Jazzratt]

Actually, unless something goes horribly wrong I should be letting you out when your poll closes later today...

[Bud Struggle]

Actually, unless something goes horribly wrong I should be letting you out when your poll closes later today...

I have evidence that she's Eva Braun. :)

[Ele'ill]

Good deal. I'll have to refresh my memory on what is allowed in the main section so this doesn't become the fastest turn around in the history of revleft.

Are we actually allowed to debate?

[Jazzratt]

Are we actually allowed to debate?

Well you can be a total contrarian prick, which is pretty much the same thing on revleft...

[Bud Struggle]

I have confidential information that Mari3L is actually Eva Peron.

[Jazzratt]

Awww. Don't worry I'm sure she'll come back to visit you Bud :lol:

[Ele'ill]

I'm making some really cheap wine (again). Two apple juice a raspberry and an honest tea individual that I'm going to try and see what happens :lol:

I'm going to get real brewing supplies tomorrow so I can make large amounts of real mead.

[MarxSchmarx]

mari3l, looks live you've got some good company:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGNuR0ml7QA

[Ele'ill]

I wish I had started that young and kept with it.




Also: Anyone know if there's an official 'g20 toronto' video trailer out yet? You know- the kind that I really like with the dramatic music and riot montages :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Ele'ill]

June 26th-27th I will be glued to the computer screen reading the reports of what's going down in Toronto. I can't help it I'm a sucker for mass movements and social change. I don't think we can write it off as 'just another summit demo' when yet again nothing significant happens- we need to stop doing that. We need to start watching and documenting what we are doing wrong and how we can do a better job. Summits are frightening places and I have experience with being on the ground before during and after. It takes courage to be there and I admire those that go. :)

[Che a chara]

Q'back, I saw your thread on Deja Vu but can't contribute over there, but I thought you might be intrigued by my theory.

I think what happens is that when someone says something that sounds eerily familiar, or you see something that seems familiar, the memory circuits in your brain are just oscillating involuntarily, like when any other part of your body starts involuntarily twitching. You're seeing something and thinking about it and simultaneously experiencing memory of it, but all you are remembering is the thought that you had just a millisecond before. It produces an effect like holding a microphone near an amplifier and creating feedback howl.

So when you're saying "I've experienced this before", you have just sensed it before, like a millisecond before when you first saw or heard it. Then it gets more and more intense as the oscillation increases. You keep "remembering" it simultaneous with sensing it.

I've reached a point where I force myself to consider this possibility right as I am experiencing deja vu, and it immediately calms the sensation, just like pulling the microphone away from the amp to stop feedback howl. Too bad, in a way. What do you think?

Every explanation I hear is plausible, but i'm not entirely situated on one theory.

Though the more I think about it the more i'm satisfied that it's just a slow/delayed reaction from the brain to the eye, rather than a recollection of a previous dream you had.

I once was of the opinion that it was some sort of past life memory. lol :blushing:

[Che a chara]

Anyone keeping a keen eye on the football World Cup that starts tomorrow ?

Can't wait meself, will be supporting Holland and Mexico, but think that Spain or Germany will win it. I hope England are humiliated :thumbup1:

[Bud Struggle]

Something a bit "retro."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkyVjFAHFI8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w07-iYjPTdE&feature=related


Most of you guys missed the '80s. Now those were the good old days. (And not just because the USSR was still around. :D)

[Raúl Duke]

Go Spain

[Ele'ill]

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[Bud Struggle]

Aren't you out yet?


I do like Kate.

[F9]

Aren't you out yet?


I do like Kate.

She is out now

[Ele'ill]

Holy hooray. Now I can post anywhere on the forum.

I guess I should start in the introductions area :lol:

[Bud Struggle]

Our little angel going off into the big world. Sigh.

Be sure to write.:(

[Ele'ill]

There was an 'animal rights' thread waiting for me in the 'graphics and arts' section of all places.

[Bud Struggle]

There was an 'animal rights' thread waiting for me in the 'graphics and arts' section of all places.

So happy for you! :)

Give 'um hell!

[Che a chara]

Jesus h christ and the wee donkeys out the back... anyone watching the Glenn Beck show on Fox now ? (i'm in europe, so don't know if its the same one on fox USA). He is making me despicably sick. his fear-mongering and "please, please, please listen to me you are smart people" pleading and anti-communist propaganda bullshit is an act of a disturbed fucking asshole. How does he get away with such shit ?

[Bud Struggle]

Jesus h christ


That should be "Bud H. Struggle."

[Che a chara]

That should be "Bud H. Struggle."

In the name of the Bud, and of the son and of the holy spirit, Amen.

[Ele'ill]

Here's a question- I've been working out fairly hard for the last week or so and eating healthy. There are a couple beers in the fridge that have been whispering to me. Should I drink them tonight so that they're not here or should I just open them and dump them out. The issue isn't alcoholism so don't hesitate to tell me to drink them. (not that any of you heathens would hesitate)

[#FF0000]

Pour them out. Beer is full of carbs and calories and stuff.

[Ele'ill]

Thanks for the input. Normally I would take suggestions seriously but since I already had my mind on drinking beer I think it's better that I do it. I want to relax. and I just watched this video and although there is a part about someone who quit drinking whiskey it has hooked me and influenced me to relax in a sleazy piano sort of way:


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[Ele'ill]

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[Che a chara]

Wow, the World Cup opening ceremony is excellent. Great noise, sounds, harmonies, music, colour, diversity and culture. Amazing stuff.

I love them African vocals in harmony together. very choir and gospel like.

and racists and nationalists oppose such beautiful multiracial and multicultural aspects. I would love for all that to be part of society.

[Bud Struggle]

I actually don't follow "Football" so I don't have a horse in the race, but from what I understand Ghana has a pretty good team. It would be nice if a team from Africa could win the Cup this time.

[Che a chara]

I actually don't follow "Football" so I don't have a horse in the race, but from what I understand Ghana has a pretty good team. It would be nice if a team from Africa could win the Cup this time.

Soccer then :) I'm for Holland and Mexico, and yeah it would be great for an African team to win. Cameroon i'd like to see do it.

Ghana has a tough enough group .... Germany should top it, but it may be touch and go between Austarlia, Ghana and Serbia .... all no pushovers.

[Che a chara]

Right folks, am away out to the boozer to watch the World Cup.

Viva Mexico.

[Jazzratt]

Strong first half for Mexico, dominated all over the place for most of it, aside the last few minutes where there was some excitiment with the South Africans at their goal mouth. Despite that it's still nil nil because the only shot Mexico got in was offside, partly due to them wasting some chances (Franco drawing a cock all over his headers) and partly because the South African keeper is a legend. Exciting opening game for the neutral spectator and I can't wait for the second half.

[Jazzratt]

Second half was even better all around. South Africa got out of whatever slump they were in at the first half to go ahead early (oh and how) and kept the pressure up for quite a bit of that half. Then, of course, Mexico equalised, getting the ball over Khune and pretty much sealing the game as a 1 all draw despite some brilliant chances created by both sides - South Africa especially created a couple of blinding chances that were shut down by an equally skilled defense.

Can't wait to watch Urguay/France later.

[Jazzratt]

Can't wait to watch Urguay/France later.

That was slightly disappointing.

[Bud Struggle]

That was slightly disappointing.

Does anyone ever win at this game or is it all just a bunch of Commies giving equal points to every team that plays for just showing up?

:D

[Jazzratt]

Does anyone ever win at this game or is it all just a bunch of Commies giving equal points to every team that plays for just showing up?

:D

Well tomorrow it's the England game and since we're playing against some shitty third-rate team that must have bribed their way into the tournament I'm sure we'll see some winning...

[Robert]

I'm sure we'll see some winning... Too bleedin' right, we will. (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/worldcup/article-23843699-fear-england-youre-just-a-nation-of-losers.do)

But your lads will make a brave show.

(Please, god.)

[Bud Struggle]

Communism is all well and good when it comes to discussing economics and politics--but when it comes to sports we want good Old Fashioned Capitalist COMPETITION! :)

[Che a chara]

Second half was even better all around. South Africa got out of whatever slump they were in at the first half to go ahead early (oh and how) and kept the pressure up for quite a bit of that half. Then, of course, Mexico equalised, getting the ball over Khune and pretty much sealing the game as a 1 all draw despite some brilliant chances created by both sides - South Africa especially created a couple of blinding chances that were shut down by an equally skilled defense.

Can't wait to watch Urguay/France later.


That was slightly disappointing.

Yeah i thouroughly enjoyed the Mexico South Africa game. Had a great tempo to it and yeah the France match was total shit. Your man Domenech (France manager) is a prat. He hasn't a clue.

ps, I hope England get a good seeing to tonight

[Bud Struggle]

What Gack ought to do-----

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq0TO9Kg-lg

;)

[Jazzratt]

A nailbiting match. England shot ahead with Gerrard's goal but even though we kept the pressure up on the yanks we didn't manage to create a greater goal difference which we suffered for when Dempsey made his shot. That was a goal that needn't have happened, really, but it did and all we can do now is try to hammer some shots home. I the yanks haven't really felt the full effect of Rooney and Hesky yet (well, thir keeper probably felt a lot more of Hesky than he wanted to when that mountain flew into him...)

I'm still confident that we'll get at least a 2-1 if not 3-1 victory.

[Robert]

I won't lie, I'm sweating.

The English look like surgeons, we like lumberjacks.

I was sure they'd lay back and just play defense after scoring first. It appeared to be working.

[F9]

I actually don't follow "Football" so I don't have a horse in the race, but from what I understand Ghana has a pretty good team. It would be nice if a team from Africa could win the Cup this time.

"Football"?Why the ""? You are one of those people calling a sport, that has a bunch of huge, steroid guys who spend their days at the gyms, but still wear those ridiculous huge shirts to look even bigger, and carry an egg from one side of a field to another with their hands, football?Where the hell is the foot in this?Dont tell me is the extra point every now and then..
There in America, you really need to check how you name sports, others may not be bad, but this totally is.

[Che a chara]

Heskey's a tube and Green's a dud :lol:

[Bud Struggle]

"Football"?Why the ""? You are one of those people calling a sport, that has a bunch of huge, steroid guys who spend their days at the gyms, but still wear those ridiculous huge shirts to look even bigger, and carry an egg from one side of a field to another with their hands, football?Where the hell is the foot in this?Dont tell me is the extra point every now and then..
There in America, you really need to check how you name sports, others may not be bad, but this totally is.

They kick the ball sometimes. :crying::crying::crying:

:D

[Robert]

Rooney's giving me multiple heart attacks.

[Jazzratt]

US goalkeeper = man of the match. He's saved some fucking awesome shots.

[Jazzratt]

Fuck. FUCK FUCK FUCK.

FUCK!

That was a draw that felt like a loss.

[Che a chara]

hehe, that was dire. Very inept and below par performance from England. They just don't have the tactics or technique.

[Robert]

Not another tie! Well, a point is a point, I guess.

Maybe we can beat Slovenia on the 18th.:(

[Bud Struggle]

Not another tie! Well, a point is a point, I guess.

Maybe we can beat Slovenia on the 18th.:(

America SHREADED England.

1-1.

(Hell, it's not like Americans know how to actually play the game... It's like if the English tied America at bronko busting .:D )

[Ele'ill]

Just as a reminder- Restricted members can still 'Thanks !' posts in the main section. :thumbup1:

[Bud Struggle]

The Revolutionary Communist Party is doing pretty well on the catwalk these days. :D

http://www3.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Avakian+Beverly+Hills+Boutique+Opening+6CvIgr5LCJ6 l.jpg

[Ele'ill]

So it's back to this again, yeah?

But now I can't complain because I am free. :rolleyes:

[Ele'ill]

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[Bud Struggle]

^^^She is GREAT!!!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Am I the only one who gets annoyed at the near-constant references to 1966? It was over half a century ago. Jesus fuck, let go already.

[Robert]

Yeah, I get tired of hearing about the North Koreans (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127849878&ft=1&f=1004) beating Italy in '66, too.

(How the heck did that happen?)

[Robert]

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[Robert]

I feel badly for Mr. Green but the Lego re-enactment (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/68845/yes,_lego_soccer_is_awesome_%28for_everyone_but_ro bert_green%29) of his error is entertaining:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yeah, I get tired of hearing about the North Koreans (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127849878&ft=1&f=1004) beating Italy in '66, too.

(How the heck did that happen?)

That's interesting, but I was referring to when England beat West Germany. I have no idea why we Brits tend to focus obsessively on past glories.

[Jazzratt]

That's interesting, but I was referring to when England beat West Germany. I have no idea why we Brits tend to focus obsessively on past glories.
Every country does it, hell every place with a sports team does it. It's only noticeable because England haven't won anything worthwhile for fucking ages. It's the same with people who support, say, Charlton Athletic or Sheffield United (hell, even Sheffield Wednesday): people would rather think of the times they won something than concentrate on the fact that they're total losers. For example I imagine certain fans of the Toon are going to be going on about winning the championship this year when they're relagated right back there next season

[Robert]

That's interesting, but I was referring to when England beat West Germany.

Oh, I knew that.:lol:

But don't feel bad, here in the USA we heard endless refrains of "1950 again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_v_United_States_%281950%29)!" in anticipation of last week's match.

[Robert]

Wow, did you see the Portuguese team singing the hell out of their himno nacional? Gave me chills, no lie.

If they play like they sing, they'll cut Côte d'Ivoire to ribbons.

But the bookies are split on this one. http://www.betonworldcup2010.com/news/portugal-vs-ivory-coast-odds-and-preview/2481

Wish I could stay home and watch. Is the revolution starting today by chance?:blink:

[Robert]

duplicate

[Robert]

Portugal/Ivory Coast.

A scoreless tie? We're trying to get excited about soccer over here, but this kind of result doesn't help.

Maybe they should widen the goal?

[Che a chara]

The hermit country DPRK are holding Brazil 0-0 with 55mins gone. well done lads.... so far.

btw, it's been an absolutely shit WC so far

[Che a chara]

lol, 30seconds later, Brazil 1-0 up now.

[Robert]

Magnificent shot (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/highlights/video/video=1246495/index.html) (strike?) by Brazil at 1:03 - 1:13. That's a lot of soccer for one great shot.

[Jazzratt]

Fun fact: the british government can hand off people who have been unemployed for a certain length of time to employers who aren't obliged to pay them.

[Ele'ill]

What do you mean?

[Ele'ill]

btw- I like it when people on here say 'I don't disagree with that' rather than 'I agree with you'. :lol:

[Jazzratt]

What do you mean?

Basically, after 6 months of unemployment you are obliged to go and work for a company for 25 hours a week, during which they will not pay you although the government continues to pay roughly half of what you would earn in the same hours on minimum wage. During this time you don't count as being unemployed for the purposes of statistics but neither do you count as employed for the purposes of your rights & responsibilities.

[Ele'ill]

Basically, after 6 months of unemployment you are obliged to go and work for a company for 25 hours a week, during which they will not pay you although the government continues to pay roughly half of what you would earn in the same hours on minimum wage. During this time you don't count as being unemployed for the purposes of statistics but neither do you count as employed for the purposes of your rights & responsibilities.


What's the purpose of it?


Doesn't the US have a similar system but only if you're meeting with a 'career councilor' and in a work force program?

[Jazzratt]

What's the purpose of it?
The stated aim is to help people get into work however if one wanted to be cynical (and I can't imagine why anyone would be) it's to provide certain businesses with a supply of cheap and expendable labour.


Doesn't the US have a similar system but only if you're meeting with a 'career councilor' and in a work force program?
You'd know better than me.

[Ele'ill]

A lot of companies here in the US have stopped hiring full time and are doing this 'part-time' hire minimum wage bullshit and are extremely liberal with their 'get rid of you now' policy if they want to shit on your employment.

I hope the fun fact you posted doesn't currently apply to you or anyone you know and if it does stay fierce.

[#FF0000]

You'd know better than me.

You can be unemployed for about 79 weeks in the U.S., with extensions. After that you just don't get unemployment benefits and you're on your own. Don't count as unemployed anymore either.


A lot of companies here in the US have stopped hiring full time and are doing this 'part-time' hire minimum wage bullshit and are extremely liberal with their 'get rid of you now' policy if they want to shit on your employment.


At every job I've ever had, everyone I know got about an hour short of full-time employment on the schedule.

I remember once I looked at a schedule, added up my hours, and they shorted me by half an hour after I asked for more hours.

[Bud Struggle]

Basically, after 6 months of unemployment you are obliged to go and work for a company for 25 hours a week, during which they will not pay you although the government continues to pay roughly half of what you would earn in the same hours on minimum wage. During this time you don't count as being unemployed for the purposes of statistics but neither do you count as employed for the purposes of your rights & responsibilities.

I know I'm a Cappie and all of that--but that f-ing sucks. It perverts the work force, it perverts government and it in the end perverts business.

And it hurts decent people looking for employment.

[Ele'ill]

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