Capitalism a love story; What i took from it.

[Thomas Paine]

Hey All.

I watched capitalism a love story last night, and something struck me.

It showed this workplace where workers were not given their wages and were made redundent, but instead of bowing out they organized the work place and even had the support of the bishop, who TBH seemed like lenin with his talk of unity and such :)

But the point i wanted to make is that, do the various communist parties do nything to involve themselves in the workers lives?

Its not that i do anything or am remotely active either, i just think its a tradgedy that we have seen capitalism near collapse, they have angered evryone from stealing peoples taxes to bail out banks, even though in capialism it is sink or swim and they are sending young men to kill or be killed in the mountains of Afghanistan.

We can see a pre war Germany emerging, where people are turning away from politics.

Tea Party
BNP
National Socialists
Christian fundamentalists


Yet no one is looking into marxism because there is no marxist pressence in the workplace or the place of recreation.

The people already giving their time and upmost effort cannot do it alone, we must struggle side by side, but the thing is, the communist parties seem so weak, nothing is happening apart from small actions and pickets.

I myself am going to try and get active, and i hope to see the communist party getting more millitant and stronger.

Despite Moores bullshit liberal fetish, he showed clearly how the seeds for the bourgeoisies downfall are begining to sprout.

We need to all do our part to see the revolution blossom.

[Tifosi]

What I didn't like about that move was how Moore showed the Democrat's and mainly Obama as the way forward. The movie wasn't really anti-capitalist, it was more anti-republican, it showed this when Moore showed that workers run factory. He didn't show that even if the workers run the factory if the system is still Capitalist nothing is that different as you are still controlled by the system of boom and bust. It's just a bitter better when the boom comes, just as shity when the bust that will come comes.

There was some good moments in it, like the part when that family took back there home, that was good to see:)

Sorry about spellin:lol:

[RedRise]

I watched Capitalism: A Love Story a while ago. It's a great film.
I think you're right about people needing to be involved in the workers lives and such.
I think part of the problem is that a lot of people see starting a revolution as starting an actual military struggle or political campaign. They think communism is evil or means a totalitarian dictatorship so we have to show them otherwise. The revolution should always start with the people.

[Robocommie]

What I didn't like about that move was how Moore showed the Democrat's and mainly Obama as the way forward. The movie wasn't really anti-capitalist, it was more anti-republican, it showed this when Moore showed that workers run factory. He didn't show that even if the workers run the factory if the system is still Capitalist nothing is that different as you are still controlled by the system of boom and bust. It's just a bitter better when the boom comes, just as shity when the bust that will come comes.

There was some good moments in it, like the part when that family took back there home, that was good to see:)

Sorry about spellin:lol:

He did play up Obama, but then he also talked about how even Obama took a lot of money from Wall Street. And Michael Moore has, in interviews and such, been pretty critical of the Dems and Obama. In particular he had harsh words about the health care bill recently.

I think the key thing to remember is the thesis line of the film, which he says near the end, "Capitalism is an evil; and you cannot reform an evil."

As for the company, while it's not the same as socialism without wide-scale social support, it does show that workplace democracy is possible, that it actually works, and that cooperatives are a way forward. I also think that, even under capitalism, cooperatives ARE seriously progressive.

[Ocean Seal]

I saw capitalism a love story and I have to say its probably Moore's best film yet. He speaks about how the major corporations have bought off the Democrats and Republicans. At times he praises the idea of collective ownership of corporations which is partially in line with communism and he views the parasitic nature of capitalism. In addition, he reaches out to the workers in almost every scene and he doesn't insult them which brings them closer to our cause. I wouldn't be surprised if Micheal Moore was actually a socialist because it seems like he's doing our work.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I saw capitalism a love story and I have to say its probably Moore's best film yet. He speaks about how the major corporations have bought off the Democrats and Republicans. At times he praises the idea of collective ownership of corporations which is partially in line with communism and he views the parasitic nature of capitalism. In addition, he reaches out to the workers in almost every scene and he doesn't insult them which brings them closer to our cause. I wouldn't be surprised if Micheal Moore was actually a socialist because it seems like he's doing our work.

For a while, Moore has tried to distance himself away from the term "Socialist", & instead try playing as the innocent liberal. But more & more, day after day, he seems to be becoming more positive towards Socialism than he once was. You should watch the bonus features on the dvd. It has him interviewing a Maxist author, his mayor who in Detroit who is wanting to bring a little bit of Socialism to Detroit to try & get it back on its feet. He talks about the only nationalized bank in America & the reasons why it's lasting quite fine when others are not.

[RadioRaheem84]

The best and probably the only good part in the whole documentary was when they talk about how the Wall St. bailout went down. It was tense and eye opening.

The rest of the film was OK but pretty much the same stuff you could view from a progressive website.

The movie was not anti-capitalist though. Although, I guess that Michael was saying that we need to surpass capitalism for economic democracy.

[ed miliband]

At one point of the film Moore is being all sarcastic about capitalism and then he cuts to Jimmy Carter saying people need to stop being so greedy or something, as if Carter was this fantastic anti-capitalist hero who had his legacy pissed on by Reagan.

Also, this is from a recent interview:


But what does it mean, to replace capitalism with democracy? He sighs and tries to explain. In the old Soviet bloc, he says, communism was the political system and socialism the economic. But with capitalism, he complains, you get political and economic rolled in to one. Big business buys votes in Congress. Lobbyists write laws. The result is that the US political system is awash in capitalist money that has stripped the system of much of its democratic accountability."

lol wut?

[GreenCommunism]

i think we should send him an email asking him about what was pinochet then? a free market dictatorship.

[Robocommie]

At one point of the film Moore is being all sarcastic about capitalism and then he cuts to Jimmy Carter saying people need to stop being so greedy or something, as if Carter was this fantastic anti-capitalist hero who had his legacy pissed on by Reagan.

I think you're reading too much into that. He showed Carter talking negatively about consumerism and then segues into the Reagan administration, I think mostly to point out how Carter's approach to capitalism put people off because they were still in love with the idea of the free market, without realizing what it would get them. I personally have some fondness for Jimmy Carter, despite his atrocious foreign policy decisions, but the truth is, I don't think even liberal progressives have much of a high opinion of him as President. He was something of a non-starter for them politically.

[ContrarianLemming]

Captialism a love story isn't anti capitalist, it's anti corporate.

[Robocommie]

Captialism a love story isn't anti capitalist, it's anti corporate.

That's not what I got from it. He attacks the financial industry as well - his whole covering of the evicting of people from their homes, when he covers "Condo Vultures" and demonstrates what a disgrace real estate speculation is, the buying and selling of people's broken lives - these are some of the worst features of capitalism in general, not corporate business.

I don't get you guys sometimes. Why do leftists always have to be so damn exclusionary?

[Scary Monster]

Isnt anticapitalist? Im pretty sure he very clearly says something to the effect of, towards the end of the movie, "These problems are inherent to our economic system- capitalism"

[Communist]

Carter, despite his atrocious foreign policy decisions, but the truth is, I don't think even liberal progressives have much of a high opinion of him as President. He was something of a non-starter for them politically.

'Something of a non-starter' is quite generous. Hell, Mondale had to literally be talked out of resigning as his VP because, as the administration liberal, he was appalled by Carter. And he was sick of hearing from the liberal base about how much Carter was horrifying them.

Basically, especially with the 1980 "Carter Doctrine", he was just a warm-up act for Reagan. Carter was another far-right politician, but one who mumbled incessantly about human rights. Reagan dropped Carter's human rights schtick, which is all it was, schtick.

Loathsome capitalists and imperialists all.

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[Robocommie]

'Something of a non-starter' is quite generous. Hell, Mondale had to literally be talked out of resigning as his VP because, as the administration liberal, he was appalled by Carter. And he was sick of hearing from the liberal base about how much Carter was horrifying them.

Basically, especially with the 1980 "Carter Doctrine", he was just a warm-up act for Reagan. Carter was another far-right politician, but one who mumbled incessantly about human rights. Reagan dropped Carter's human rights schtick, which is all it was, schtick.

Loathsome capitalists and imperialists all.

.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to necessarily apologize for Carter. My fondness for him has very little to do with him as a politician, though he did do some good things domestically.

[Delenda Carthago]

when i saw that stupid fuckin thing I realised why Moore,the "enemy" of the system,took an Oscar.

That's what they want people to see as socialism:a "capitalism with a human face" or better yet,a backward capitalism..."Yes,Obama is a socialist and we love it, woohoo,Revolution baby,Che Guevara".Until now capitalism gave people the bluε pill to think they lived in a democracy,now they upgraded to socialism too.


I had to watch 15 yt videos from Seattle to set my mind straight again.

[RadioRaheem84]

It's clear that Moore was championing social democracy. I think he falls into the crowd that thinks socialism = social democracy.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't see how people view that Moore wasn't being anti-capitalist. I mean, c'mon, he even went so far to get priests to tell him that Capitalism is evil! lol

[RadioRaheem84]

Yeah but I think that Moore was talking more about free market libertarian capitalism. He praised FDR's Second Bill of Rights at the end of the movie, which would've essentially solidified the US as a Social Democratic country, instead of a bastard military Keynesian country based on high wages and high taxes on the rich.

Like I said, I think that he views social democracy as socialism or anti-capitalist. It's a common American mistake.

[Dr Mindbender]

maybe moore steered away from the 's' word, but what put a smile on my face was the jazz remix of 'the internationale' during the end credits.

:lol:

[A.J.]

maybe moore steered away from the 's' word, but what put a smile on my face was the jazz remix of 'the internationale' during the end credits.

:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDhiyrvV0PM

:laugh:

[A Proletarian Manifesto]

What I got from the movie is that Micheal Moore likes to 1. hear himself talk. 2. He is leaning more towards socialism despite dropping obscure hints that he might be Communist.

But the movie was opposing capitalism (At least modern capitalism).