Split from N Korea thread about Ireland

[Dr Mindbender]

Of course Ireland had a natural famine. You seem to *want* to defend Britain,
Provide quote or STFU.


however, as somehow an oblivious actor that really doesn't warrant criticism. More to the point is why you want to defend Britain?
I dont want to defend britain.


My guess is, no matter how you want to focus on "errors" of rent. You don't really want to see Britain's willful ignorance be first on the chopping block.
Im fully aware of britains ignorance, otherwise English landlords wouldnt have treated the Irish with the intransigence, callousness and mean spirit that they had.


People from Ireland say they're from Ireland. People from the US say they're from the US. People from Russia say they're from Russia. At least on international boards. You claim to be "Ulster" which is in line with reactionary separatist elements within Ireland's foreign occupied territory.
Now, if my username was Nevada Communist or California Socialist we might be on the same footing, except there is no direct correlation between California and Nevada to being reactionary as there is to Ulster.
Ulster is a place name. Reactionary seperatist elements do not have unique claim or ownership over the name (http://ulster.gaa.ie/). Now if i wanted to be sectarian, i wouldve started my account under the name 'Northern Ireland Socialist'. Since joining this forum, i have never made one post supporting the union or legitimising the 6 counties membership of it and i challenge you to prove otherwise.
I think youre just fishing for shit that isnt there.

You're not Irish are you?



Of course I understood the simple statement.


*yawn*

meh. Away and play with your toy cars now.

[Conquer or Die]

I was searching through your post history to locate the thread in which you suck slaver britain's cock for protecting your imperialist minority in Ireland and I found this one:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/ira-nazi-collaboration-t108957/index.html?t=108957&highlight=Irish+famine

You support wholesale a tenuous link between members of a liberation movement and the Nazis. Besides being riddled with unprovable assertions you "find it helpful."

Nazis actually lent material aid to Iraq in their struggle against Britain. Are the Iraqi's actually culpable to fascism because of this link? You stupid fuck.

"The 'thick paddy' myth was a lie perpetrated by the English particularly to justify the plantations. Nothing else.

I say English, because celtophobia is often still used to caricature the scottish as kilt-wearing drunken thugs. In Scotland, anti-irish racism is non-existant.

As someone else said, the ones who resort to using the image clearly arent MENSA material either, from my experience.
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Fucking bullshit. Scots were England's white race that moved in droves to reconstitute Ireland. You're clearly a Scot, and you're claiming that Scots have no part in racism when Scot Nationalism props up a regime that shouldn't be there.

You paint the IRA as a Nazi collaborator (they had less collaboration than any significant force in the world at that time) and then claim that the Scots are somehow devoid of their submission to England. Fucking nonsense.

You then mythically announce that the English had no vested interest in seeing their "subjects" die when that is a recurring theme in England's history. Please GTFO of a socialist website.

[Dr Mindbender]

I was searching through your post history to locate the thread in which you suck slaver britain's cock for protecting your imperialist minority in Ireland and I found this one:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/ira-nazi-collaboration-t108957/index.html?t=108957&highlight=Irish+famine

You support wholesale a tenuous link between members of a liberation movement and the Nazis. Besides being riddled with unprovable assertions you "find it helpful."

Theres a difference between a revolutionary leftist movement and a nationalist counter revolutionary movement.

Theres also a difference between ''sucking british cock'' and calling out bourgeoisie republicanism as a reactionary ideology (which it is).

I'm assuming you're unfamiliar with the theories of james connolly when he made the point of 'irish liberation being a wasted venture if it replaces the union jack with the green flag of the homegrown bourgeoisie'.



Nazis actually lent material aid to Iraq in their struggle against Britain. Are the Iraqi's actually culpable to fascism because of this link? You stupid fuck.

I wouldnt claim that were culpable, but then i wouldnt rely on such a flimsy analogy that is ignorant of the material and social conditions. Iraqi freedom fighters (who do not necessarilly harbour revolutionary pretences) are unlikely to care what the european extreme right is doing if they are providing weapons. True republican socialists worth their salt, in the tradition of connolly and costello would have nothing to do with the fascists at any cost.




Fucking bullshit. Scots were England's white race that moved in droves to reconstitute Ireland. You're clearly a Scot, and you're claiming that Scots have no part in racism when Scot Nationalism props up a regime that shouldn't be there.

You paint the IRA as a Nazi collaborator (they had less collaboration than any significant force in the world at that time) and then claim that the Scots are somehow devoid of their submission to England. Fucking nonsense.

You make a post that is completely devoid of class conciousness and you tell me to GTFO a socialist website? Unless its escaped your attention, scotland has historically had a oligarchic society of aristocrats and peasantry. It was the Scottish royalty, landlords and bourgeoisie power whores that were implicit and in cahoots with the English imperialists. So then, given Scotlands tradition of rebellion against the English hegemony how the fuck were Scottish workers implicit with the colonisation of Ireland? This is as stupid as blaming English workers for the looting of India and Africa.

[Conquer or Die]

Theres a difference between a revolutionary leftist movement and a nationalist counter revolutionary movement.

The IRA is a nationalist movement correctly targeting violence against imperialist aggressors. As a leftist of any stripe, you should be able to identify with this group. To say the IRA are bourg is laughably dishonest. The united nationalist front in Ireland was a progressive tendency in that it sought to control its own lands from imperialist expropriation. The imperialists in this instance were genocidal war mongers who deserved every bullet they received.


Theres also a difference between ''sucking british cock'' and calling out bourgeoisie republicanism as a reactionary ideology (which it is).

The *major* counter revolutionary force in the world until 1938 was the British empire. If you can't understand that then you're a helpless anglo-saxon imperialist. Hitler's primary concern was with allying with said Empire to destroy Bolshevism, the Jews, and sponsor a Lockean slaveocracy of nordic races that would combat America for world supremacy. His second book showed his enthusiasm for the inherently unequal British Empire. He was a fan, in other words. Churchill and many others came to admire the governance style of generic fascism. They saw in Hitler a revolutionary character who would improve the darwinian stock of the aristocracy.

The point being that there was a significant linkage between National Socialism and the British Empire. Far more powerful and significant forces were interested in helping Naziism in the Empire than any declaration from any disaffected elements of the IRA attracted to Nazi populism.


I'm assuming you're unfamiliar with the theories of james connolly when he made the point of 'irish liberation being a wasted venture if it replaces the union jack with the green flag of the homegrown bourgeoisie'.

I'm assuming you mean that conservative elements within the movement made the movement a less desirable choice than British imperialism. James Connolly, nor any marxist, nor any serious liberal for that matter, would say anything consistent with your stupidity.

The movement required British annihilation on foreign lands. The secondary part of the movement was purging reactionary elements. That was what his quote meant. That is what everybody knows it meant. You're the only one thinking that the IRA became riddled with Nazis and was less desirable than English-Scottish racial imperialism. No, Ireland was not a paradise that was just fine after it had been broken in two and raped of wealth and manpower due to Imperialist piggery. Ireland featured racist Scots - true brownshirts - and British commandos in one half of its island dominating political and economic discourse. In the other half - maintaining a stable government and leveraging economic justice was hampered every which way by more British piggery.

Moreover, if you're using this charge against the IRA to level the current organization then are you more counter-revolutionary than can be possible to be on this website. In fact, the generic Trotsky Marxism that allowed Scottish-English imperialist sponsored hordes to run over the Irish in occupied Ireland during the late 60's and early 70's were replaced with nationalists (who were also more effective socialists) who emptied clips into the charging invaders. This is the essence of national liberation, it is foundational to anti imperialism, it is the process of achieving Communism. No serious thinker besides those most reactionary would think it wise to label the IRA reactionary. Factually, they were far less bourg than the Scottish brownshirts who were whipped into slavish indulgence to British power whims.


I wouldnt claim that were culpable, but then i wouldnt rely on such a flimsy analogy that is ignorant of the material and social conditions. Iraqi freedom fighters (who do not necessarilly harbour revolutionary pretences) are unlikely to care what the european extreme right is doing if they are providing weapons. True republican socialists worth their salt, in the tradition of connolly and costello would have nothing to do with the fascists at any cost.

You're willing to claim that the IRA did not know its "material conditions." These claims are pathetic. You use the justification that a few fellow travelers of the nazi regime who developed a common enemy suddenly discredit the movement? You claim that their actions make them more culpable than the British Empire in its bloodlust? The British Empire is without question one of the most perverse regimes in the history of the world. Arguably outdone by Hitler only because of his singular monstrous actions.


You make a post that is completely devoid of class conciousness and you tell me to GTFO a socialist website? Unless its escaped your attention, scotland has historically had a oligarchic society of aristocrats and peasantry. It was the Scottish royalty, landlords and bourgeoisie power whores that were implicit and in cahoots with the English imperialists. So then, given Scotlands tradition of rebellion against the English hegemony how the fuck were Scottish workers implicit with the colonisation of Ireland? This is as stupid as blaming English workers for the looting of India and Africa.

You have no class consciousness. That is why you claim to be from Ulster and defend the British Empire, accuse the liberators of being Nazis, and whitewash the Imperialists in defense of your stolen home.

Anti-Imperialism is the single most progressive tendency possible because it fights off the expansion of international capital. This was developed by Hilferding, later Lenin, later Mao. National liberation movements fight off parasitic capital and thusly establish conditions which can lead to socialism. The only alternative is death and exploitation (which is what happened to the Irish under the Empire's first four hundred years, and is still happening (those to a lesser extent due to the IRA liberating imperialist marauders.))

But no, you; the expert on James Connolly, thinks that he would suggest allying itself with the British Empire to expend its limited resources and manpower (which had to this point been used to defend the island from its constant invaders) so the British Empire and imperialist hordes could once again shit on it after they had been used? But no, the Iraqi liberation fighters, who *actually* accepted significant resources from Germany are in fact the good guys who understand their material conditions. Such utter hypocrisy, such blind dumbfuckery.

Even the USA looked into destabilizing the British Empire. They weren't fucking good guys. They were, and are, reactionary pigs.

[GreenCommunism]

True republican socialists worth their salt, in the tradition of connolly and costello would have nothing to do with the fascists at any cost.

hell no, this is politics, and in politics no groups care about who they get their funding from.


The British Empire is without question one of the most perverse regimes in the history of the world. Arguably outdone by Hitler only because of his singular monstrous actions.

i disagree with that, the british empire was worse not only as a whole but also by killing the highest number of people in a small amount of time, i think it was done in india. while of course germany is guilty of a bigger genocide in shorter time. i think britain has caused much more harm to the world, and the combined native americans genocide and slave trade killed more people even if it took longer(because i consider america to be british empire anyway)