I cant agree with any politcle system [Archive]

Ravenbm

19th May 2010, 04:22

Qayin

19th May 2010, 04:26

Socialism- facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789

You've got to be kidding me.

Crusade

19th May 2010, 04:30

If it weren't for the "human" factor, no political system would exist. You are in desperate need of more education on these subjects, though. All of them.

khad

19th May 2010, 04:31

I have been trying to find a politicle therory that i agree with but it seems that the human factor is always messing things up.
For example
Ararchism- I think i would get to voilent
Cammunism- Ultimate power ultimately corrupts
Socialism- facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789
Tho things may be differnt in the real world.

Am i miss understanding some of these things?
What other politcle systems are there?
(Excluding capitlism, facism and such)
I'm sitting here and scratching my head wondering if you're for real, or if this post is a joke of some sort. I mean you misspell political, anarchism, communism, capitalism, and fascism in the space of a few lines. And that facebook link was facepalm-worthy.

Nolan

19th May 2010, 04:31

You gotta be kiddin me.

lulks

19th May 2010, 06:20

i think you should learn more about socialism, communism and anarchism before judging them

Die Rote Fahne

19th May 2010, 06:50

I have been trying to find a politicle therory that i agree with but it seems that the human factor is always messing things up.
For example
Ararchism- I think i would get to voilent
Cammunism- Ultimate power ultimately corrupts
Socialism- facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789
Tho things may be differnt in the real world.

Am i miss understanding some of these things?
What other politcle systems are there?
(Excluding capitlism, facism and such)

Fascism is cool. It' what Obama does...:rolleyes:

But seriously. At least wikipedia these things before looking like a complete idiot. I know this is learning and I shouldn't be harsh, but you're either a troll or slow.

The Vegan Marxist

19th May 2010, 07:33

Fascism is cool. It' what Obama does...:rolleyes:

But seriously. At least wikipedia these things before looking like a complete idiot. I know this is learning and I shouldn't be harsh, but you're either a troll or slow.

Or a tea-bagger, though, what's the difference!?

howblackisyourflag

19th May 2010, 13:37

Not sure if you're joking or not, but I dont see the need to be pinned down to one ideology.

I believe in some of the principles of anarchism, socialism and communism, but I just think you should think for yourself, be principled, and do whats appropriate to your own circumstances.

If everyone on the left done that there would be no sectarianism and we might actually get something done.

Die Rote Fahne

19th May 2010, 18:49

Ravachol

19th May 2010, 19:02

I have been trying to find a politicle therory that i agree with but it seems that the human factor is always messing things up.
For example
Ararchism- I think i would get to voilent
Cammunism- Ultimate power ultimately corrupts
Socialism- facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789
Tho things may be differnt in the real world.

Am i miss understanding some of these things?
What other politcle systems are there?
(Excluding capitlism, facism and such)

http://www.omgwtfimages.com/uploads/thumb/thumb_185.jpg

Are you for real? Also: What's Cammunism :rolleyes:

Bombay

19th May 2010, 19:12

facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789

This sounds like BS, but I'd still be curious how would you guys refute this?

Foldered

19th May 2010, 19:13

I facepalmed. Either this is a joke, or I've got some thinking to do. This "human factor" you speak of is nothing but a product of a capitalist society-- the striving for "absolute power," etc.
Also:
A) that study proves nothing except the ineptness of those who designed it.
B) people need to learn to spell properly or I cannot take them seriously.
C) anarchism is not about "voilence."

ArrowLance

19th May 2010, 19:27

I have been trying to find a politicle therory that i agree with but it seems that the human factor is always messing things up.
For example
Ararchism- I think i would get to voilent

It isn't about violence but it will get violent if need be. That's how all systems work.

Cammunism- Ultimate power ultimately corrupts[quote]

How does communism have any more power than any other system, how does it ultimately corrupt. You can call it corrupt in the sense that the working class moves towards its own interests with disregard to the other classes wants, but that would be silly.

[quote]Socialism- facebook.com/topic.php?uid=54566831903&topic=10789
Tho things may be differnt in the real world.

This is a poor representation of socialism cooked up in someones head most likely. In no way does socialism stop an individual from being recognised and is actually more conducive to individualism than capitalist, and other anti-egalitarian, systems.

Am i miss understanding some of these things?
What other politcle systems are there?
(Excluding capitlism, facism and such)

Yes, you are misunderstanding all of these things.

¿Que?

19th May 2010, 19:52

If anyone is interested, here's a snopes article about the legendary economics professor who "proves" socialism/communism doesn't work. Apparently, the story has been circulating since before 1994, although the authors were unable to track down its origins. As ArrowLance points out, it's probably made up and never actually happened.

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

Also, if you search around these forums, I think there's a thread devoted to this story.

Foldered

19th May 2010, 19:55

As ArrowLance points out, it's probably made up and never actually happened.
I figured the same; as a 'psychological' experiment, it is full of issues.

mikelepore

19th May 2010, 20:07

"Ultimate power ultimately corrupts" -- I assume that this was intended to be a quote of the well-known remark of John Dalberg Acton, "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely." The necessary responds is: Any system will have some kind of organization or structure or constitution. When designing the new system, don't give anyone absolute power. It takes some forethought about what kind of new system is desirable. Avoid the tendency to say: just have any kind of revolution now, and later we'll fnd out where we end up. Think of revoloutionary social change as sailing a ship: before you begin, decide what harbor your are steering toward.

howblackisyourflag

19th May 2010, 21:00

What principles do you believe in?

Anti-capitalist, Anti-authoritarian.

I think people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesnt affect anyone else, and that people who work somewhere should share the profits and decide on things themselves instead of having a boss.

So some sort of anarchist/communist I guess.

Die Rote Fahne

20th May 2010, 05:38

Anti-capitalist, Anti-authoritarian.

I think people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesnt affect anyone else, and that people who work somewhere should share the profits and decide on things themselves instead of having a boss.

So some sort of anarchist/communist I guess.

I'll direct you to Anarcho-Syndicalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Youtuber "buddhagem" is a proponent of this.Here is a link to his account which includes numerous videos on different subjects from his pov:

http://www.youtube.com/user/buddhagem

As well, Noam Chomsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky) is probably the most famous Anarcho-Syndicalist. You can search and find his interviews, lectures, debates, etc. on youtube. As well, you can find many of his writings online, and his books in your local library or book stores.

20th May 2010, 08:42

Where do I sign up to be an ararcho-cammunist?

howblackisyourflag

20th May 2010, 22:06

I'll direct you to Anarcho-Syndicalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Youtuber "buddhagem" is a proponent of this.Here is a link to his account which includes numerous videos on different subjects from his pov:

http://www.youtube.com/user/buddhagem

As well, Noam Chomsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky) is probably the most famous Anarcho-Syndicalist. You can search and find his interviews, lectures, debates, etc. on youtube. As well, you can find many of his writings online, and his books in your local library or book stores.

Thanks, Ive actually read a lot of Chomsky, he was the one who convinced me that libertarian socialism was a good idea.

Lately however Ive been reading about state socialists, and while I dont agree with it as a perfect policy, they got the job done, and Im not sure if people are ready to forgo parlimentary politics yet. Where Im from most people are very conservative anyway.

RadioRaheem84

20th May 2010, 23:40

Thanks, Ive actually read a lot of Chomsky, he was the one who convinced me that libertarian socialism was a good idea.

Lately however Ive been reading about state socialists, and while I dont agree with it as a perfect policy, they got the job done, and Im not sure if people are ready to forgo parlimentary politics yet. Where Im from most people are very conservative anyway.

The Anarcho-Syndicalists seem like the best route in the beginning because they stretch the classical enlightenment principles to their logical extent, so they're pretty good writers. But I began to turn more Marxist Leninist in the past couple of months as I do see them "haven gotten the job done". They critique the capitalist society like no other and offer damning exposes of life under such societies. Anarchists, to me at least, while admirable for their skepticism sometimes end sounding like liberals in all their critiques.

Read Noam Chomsky but then try to edge your way closer to Michael Parenti.

The Vegan Marxist

21st May 2010, 09:21

Who exactly is the OP? This is his first post on this thread since July of last year.

21st May 2010, 10:55

Who exactly is the OP?
Some conservatard by the sounds of it.

Muzk

21st May 2010, 10:57

Some conservatard by the sounds of it.

Look at his other posts, he's legit, it's just that his posts are full of mistakes. He seems quite young.

21st May 2010, 11:06

Look at his other posts, he's legit, it's just that his posts are full of mistakes. He seems quite young.
True. Sorry OP.
I think it's time for him to realise facebook and school textbooks aren't the most reliable of all sources, haha.