If you could meet your tendencies founder..

[ContrarianLemming]

If you could meet your tendencies founder.what would you tell him? (assuming this fellow is long dead)

[ZeroNowhere]

"Good timing, mate, although I am rather curious as to whence you came."

[Sam_b]

That that M-Cat stuff is overrated.

[Vendetta]

Assuming they're dead, I'd have no choice but to blow their zombie brains out with my shotty. ;)

[Tower of Bebel]

Buy our paper?

[Angry Young Man]

"Can we, like, parade around with you in front of the SWP? 'Oi! Spongebob Kindles! It's ideological Grandpa Trotsky, and he just bought us new bikes! And a puppy!'"

[Dimentio]

Would punch him in the nose. :D

[Blake's Baby]

Hey, Rosa, some guy over here thinks you're a bloke!

Oh, and how's the leg?

[piet11111]

I would tell marx i was from the future and that i will answer any questions he has about it.
Assuming he is not on his deathbed i would then try and see if i influenced his works from then on.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Make Lenin leads the revolution again!

[Die Rote Fahne]

If you could meet your tendencies founder.what would you tell him? (assuming this fellow is long dead)

Or her. (Rosa Luxemburg)

I'd tell her that she was probably one of the most important figures, and without her we probably wouldn't have as big of an anti-authoritarian/anti-totalitarian Marxist populous.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I would give them updates on the past 100 years of struugle

[cska]

"You can't exist. My tendency by definition doesn't allow for one person to tell everyone what is right."

[Os Cangaceiros]

"Right on bruuuuttther."

[Lyev]

Can i have an autograph and a picture!!! I am ur biggest fan mr engels, my sister think ur reli hawt!!!1

[Nolan]

Thank Lenin you're back. Listen, there's some people we need to get rid of...

[Tablo]

Ummm, I would say hi, show the gains we made, show the gains we lost, and make the point to show we are still fighting. Then beat his face in for being a zombie... or use him to make a zombie black bloc!

[the last donut of the night]

i'd just give grandpa lenin and uncle stalin big hugs

then i would ask for an autograph

[Pavlov's House Party]

I'd take him drinking and then we'd troll Revleft.

[MarxSchmarx]

If you could meet your tendencies founder.what would you tell him? (assuming this fellow is long dead)

Go back to sleep, you'd be horribly disappointed. Save your resurrection for another day.

[Q]

Go back to sleep, you'd be horribly disappointed. Save your resurrection for another day.

This really. Think about it: you meet your idolised hero and discover that... (s)he's just a human with his/her human flaws, etc.

Also, the shock the other way around must be terrible: "what?! you're saying that you're from 100 years in the future and there is still no socialism?! Fuck that, I'm going to kill myself now".

[Invincible Summer]

I don't really adhere to any one tendency, so I guess I'd say Marx and/or Engels?

"Yeah... about that socialism thing. Still workin' on- Wha- HEY IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!"

[Blake's Baby]

This really. Think about it: you meet your idolised hero and discover that... (s)he's just a human with his/her human flaws, etc.

Also, the shock the other way around must be terrible: "what?! you're saying that you're from 100 years in the future and there is still no socialism?! Fuck that, I'm going to kill myself now".

I think you missed the point - i read this as they would tell their founder that they should go back to sleep, and that said founder would be disappointed, presumably that socialism hadn't yet been achieved.

[Panda Tse Tung]

"Why the long face?
*feels pulse*
Ohw... your dead...."

[Atlee]

Dad? *joke*

[Spawn of Stalin]

If you think of Marxism-Leninism as a building project, Marx and Engels would be the architects and planners, Lenin would be the builder, and Stalin would be plumber/electrician/painter/decorator/etc. So who is my "tendency's father"? If I had to meet one it would be Stalin without a doubt, and to be honest I wouldn't know what to say.

[ContrarianLemming]

If you think of Marxism-Leninism as a building project, Marx and Engels would be the architects and planners, Lenin would be the builder, and Stalin would be plumber/electrician/painter/decorator/etc. So who is my "tendency's father"? If I had to meet one it would be Stalin without a doubt, and to be honest I wouldn't know what to say.

Stalin would be the home invader!

[GracchusBabeuf]

I'd say: "How are you, Sparty"?

[Die Neue Zeit]

Buy our paper?

Huh? Who's the proposed buyer? :confused:

Mine would be "Why did you become a senile renegade?"

[the last donut of the night]

i'd honestly would love to get marx, engels, bakunin, lenin, trotsky, stalin, luxembourg, bordiga, pannekoek, ho chi minh, che, and fidel in one room and see what would happen

[piet11111]

i'd honestly would love to get marx, engels, bakunin, lenin, trotsky, stalin, luxembourg, bordiga, pannekoek, ho chi minh, che, and fidel in one room and see what would happen

Man i would love to see that happen especially if all the people where informed about the others background of political ideas and what they actually implemented.

[Angry Young Man]

i'd honestly would love to get marx, engels, bakunin, lenin, trotsky, stalin, luxembourg, bordiga, pannekoek, ho chi minh, che, and fidel in one room and see what would happen

Marx would rally all his homeboys (bolded) to beat the anarchists up.

[RHIZOMES]

I don't have an "ideological founder", my politics are a mish-mash of ideas from many different intellectuals. I find that conception far too dogmatic, and I generally disagree with the rigidity inherent in the conception of "fixed" Marxist tendencies.

[ContrarianLemming]

Marx would rally all his homeboys (bolded) to beat the anarchists up.

Pop eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcomandante_Marcos) could beat the crap out of those senile men

I wish I could tell Bakunin how bad his racism would look in the future..

[∞]

I'd tell Bakunin about the USSR, then he'd bring me to Marx and LOLTROLL him.
Then I'd visit Rosa Luxemburg, we'd have some coffee and before you know it...UH-OH! I've had an affair with Emma Goldman! Shi-t! So then I got to Lenin and cock-slap that fucker. I'll severe his head, and shit on it! Then I'll tangle Trotsky's and Stalin's dicks together and have them brush thier teeth with horse-raddish till they die.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

It might be awkward for some tendencies if their founder came back. There are the traditional 57 varieties of Trotskyism. Lev Davidovich comes back.He says, "You guys in the IMT (just as an example) have it right, everyone else are posers". A demoralizing effect on the movement. Mao wakes up from his air conditioned siesta, gets a briefing on current events."I should have had that pissant Deng shot. Wtf is this Avakian guy?"

It would be interesting if there was some highly advanced AI software that could realistically assume the identities and views of dead communists. Rosa 2.0 or something. Of course all these people live on in the best of the workers movement. Something like that.




Originally Posted by Yet Humanity Lives On!
i'd honestly would love to get marx, engels, bakunin, lenin, trotsky, stalin, luxembourg, bordiga, pannekoek, ho chi minh, che, and fidel in one room and see what would happen

I'd love to see how these people get on socially. Marx and Bakunin would probably chat, then get drunk together and argue about Hegel. Engels and Stalin would gradually gravitate towards each other, talk military strategy.Che would stay near and listen.He would keep trying to interject, but the other two wouldn't pay him any mind. Trotsky would be by himself, then eventually strike up a conversation w/Fidel. He'd stay on the other side of the room from Stalin.Bordiga and Pannakoek would get into a shouting match over "Leninism", then turn their backs on each other. Bordiga would then try to chat up Rosa. Eventually Rosa and Ho Chi Minh would leave together and stop at the nearest Starbucks. After a half hour they'd get into a huge row over the national question. Ho would return to the party and eventually hit it off with Bakunin.

Kinda like "No Exit" by Sartre, I guess. Hell is other communists....

[Tifosi]

Would just say major facial hair isn't sexy and a few tattoo's wouldn't go a miss:thumbup1:

[Angry Young Man]

Trotsky would arbitrarily pick a Trotskyist group as the correct one, all followers would flock to that particular party, and they would steam-roll over capitalism in Europe in time for the evening News.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

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Evening News, Athens People's TV reporting, 18.00

We have just received word that the European working class has seized state power in all countries of the EU. Clare Doyle, spokesperson for First People's Chairman Peter Taafe has just announced that bourgouise leaders Sarkozy, Cameron, Merkel, and Berlesconni have been taken into custody by worker's militia and will be sent to reeducation camps.

In an exclusive interview Chairman Taafe told People's TV that none of this would have been possible without the reanimation of Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky by scientists early this morning. "Without Leon to guide us we would have remained several dozen quarrelying sects, arguing over arcane details of state capitalist theory and who mucked things up more, Pablo, Mandel or Healey. Now, armed with the theories of combined and uneven development , the Theory of Permanent Revolution and the Transistional Programne, we were able to take state power in a few hours. Thank god Leon picked us instead of the IMT or the ICFI. I need a beer".

[Q]

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I lol'ed.

My guess is that if Trotsky ever did come back, he'd have a heartattack on seeing the far left today, particularly the many sectlets built in his tradition.

[Angry Young Man]

LR: Were you taking the piss out of me? I was taking the piss out of factionalism (hence my choice of verb 'steam-roll'. The Russian army of the C19th was nicknamed 'the Russian steamroller' because of their vast numbers).

Of course, being the excellent tactician, that'd all be a ruse while he hacked into all the necessary confidential files and laid waste to the heads of European capital with a steel chair. Basically he's Luke Skywalker and we're just the Eewoks.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

LR: Were you taking the piss out of me? I was taking the piss out of factionalism (hence my choice of verb 'steam-roll'. The Russian army of the C19th was nicknamed 'the Russian steamroller' because of their vast numbers).

Of course, being the excellent tactician, that'd all be a ruse while he hacked into all the necessary confidential files and laid waste to the heads of European capital with a steel chair. Basically he's Luke Skywalker and we're just the Eewoks.

Actually I'm in the CWI myself-Socialist Alternative. I guess I was more goofing on the (so far) relative insignificance of the left, especially true in the States.Things will change in a very short time.