I just got diagnosed with ADHD

[Qayin]

ADHD-PI specifically, I'm prescribed Vyvanse.
Does anybody else had to deal with ADHD?

[NecroCommie]

No... I'm something quite opposite. I cant even bother myself to do the things I'd like to do. :rolleyes:

[Mumbles]

I have it too, the ADHD-PI. It sucks if you don't deal with it right.

I had to take 3 different medicines, concerta, startera, and guanfacine, and I worked up to where I took twice the max dosage for all of them over about 2 and a half years, as prescribed by the 2 psychiatrists/1 psychologist I went to (they all knew the 3 different things I was on so it wasn't like I was searching for pills). But the pills just made me super-pissed off because they didn't help the inattention or disorganization and all that stuff, it just made me feel like all the bad affects of having it were getting pent up and being released as soon as the meds wore off after school. I had some really rough times with my parents because of it, but thankfully we worked through that and I stopped taking the meds for it after talking to the docs and I've been able to try and develop out of it on my own, with teacher guidance on focusing on work.

I know that might not work for you since each person is different, but I urge you to make sure you aren't going to have the same effect from the meds as I did. It's hell.

Also, realize that the things people might be saying about you, "you're lazy" "you don't give a shit" etc. can be changed by you finding stuff you're interested in and working at it. Hard. If you like it it'll help you stay focused on it. Even if it is just something you like for a phase, it'll help you learn that you CAN pay attention and you CAN get things done.

Hope things go well for you, stay in contact with us and if things start getting rough tell us, we care for you and want you to do well in life :)

[Qayin]

Also, realize that the things people might be saying about you, "you're lazy" "you don't give a shit" etc. can be changed by you finding stuff you're interested in and working at it. Hard. If you like it it'll help you stay focused on it. Even if it is just something you like for a phase, it'll help you learn that you CAN pay attention and you CAN get things done.

Thanks man, I get those comments alot it hurts.


I know that might not work for you since each person is different, but I urge you to make sure you aren't going to have the same effect from the meds as I did. It's hell.
Vyvanse works wonders! try it mate.


concerta, startera,
Concerta is basically ritalin I heard.
My doctor told me startera can cause mood swings and makes you tired.

[Dimentio]

Something is very wrong with a society where people have to take medicines to fit into a norm. I believe this obsession with "normality" on the part of society is a sign of the decay of the west.

[NecroCommie]

This is why we have subcultures full of freaks! :D

[Dimentio]

ADHD wouldn't really be defined as freakish in the 1950's, at least not amongst men. It was pretty okay for males to fight, drink and behave disorderly, as long as they came to their work at time, did as expected and so. Amongst girls, I imagine it would have been more problematic from a social standpoint.

Nowadays, when our behaviour should be more and more controlled and folded into some sort of niceness paradigm, it has become a social problem, which is "solved" by medication. I find that a troubling development.

When different personality types are classified as defect for the economy and diagnosed, we'll get a situation where some people are deemed more valuable than others - not only in the economic but in a biological sense. I do not want to invoke Godwin here, but I could see dangerous risks with biologising and trying to control human behaviour through biological means. Moreover, I doubt upper class children are diagnosed with ADHD.

[Qayin]

Something is very wrong with a society where people have to take medicines to fit into a norm. I believe this obsession with "normality" on the part of society is a sign of the decay of the west.


You have no idea what its like. I went to the doctors on my own account, I have mental issues that interfere with every aspect of my life, and stimulant medication has basically corrected a lot of it, not all of it. Something is very wrong with people who don't believe mental disorders exist at all.


Nowadays, when our behaviour should be more and more controlled and folded into some sort of niceness paradigm, it has become a social problem, which is "solved" by medication. I find that a troubling development. Maybe for some people its complete bullshit but Im taking meds and I am not "normal" still by what society deems so I really don't know what your getting at. I continue doing the same shit Ive done before my meds only now I can concentrate on what im doing, im not full of anger, and I don't have constant fatigue throughout my day.

You need to put down the Brave New World.

[Mumbles]

Concerta is basically ritalin I heard.
My doctor told me startera can cause mood swings and makes you tired.

Yeah it's the same compound, methylphenidate, but I would never recommend taking it. Even though it's supposed to "be like cocaine for kids" it always made me tired, but I think that's because it would off and on give me something I always suspected was tachycardia so my body was just tiring itself to sleep. But having that AND stratera basically made me fall asleep at anytime I dropped my head during school. And as a elementary school kid... that was all the time.

I might just be one of the people they used in evidence of stratera doing that :lol:

Between Dimentio and xAMKx, there is a TON of misdiagnosing here in the West, It used to be ritalin for ADD, prozac for moodswings/bipolar disorder, etc. While all of these things very much exist, a lot of the cases aren't people who actually have it. It's actually kind of normal to not be normal nowadays, at least from what all I've seen. But when people actually do have them, and I think that while there's not as many cases as are diagnosed, there's still a growing number of true cases, and they're getting worse due to genetic information mutating or whatever is causing them to change and increase in frequency.

[Sasha]

have an mild case of ADD, but nothing as serious as you.

[Dr Mindbender]

I think i suffer from something similar to necroCommie. I have constant involuntary lethargy and apathy throughout the day, even in regards to tasks that are of utmost importance or those to which i hold dear. Even trying to pick up a book to study feels like trying to climb a mountain.

Never been diagnosed though.

[Hiero]

I have ADHD and think correctional drugs only inhibit me.

After all thoose years of being assessed and medicated, I worked out that I have a attention span of 2 hours after the first hour I wake up, and then I need a long break. When doing long task like a uni assignment the best procedure is to approach it over a long period of time and this includes distractions. Rather than taking medication to take out the distraction it is best to incorporate them.

Wake up at 9am, start at 11am work for 2 hours. Break for 2 hours. Then facebook, youtube, call of duty, assignments for 40 minutes, facebook, youtube call of duty, assignment for 40 minutes.

I am slightly increasing my ability to read for longer periods of time uninterupted.

It just took alot of time to reflect on what my body limits me, which is something that the doctors, teachers and parents never told me to do. The best advice I could give for anyone who is diagnosed with ADHD is to listen to your body, if you need 10 minutes of idle time before completing 20 minutes to do a task, then do it.

Now if I take ritilian, I have a two hour window to do concentrated work for each dosage. However ritialin only works for empirical work and it completly blocks abstract thinking.

What I am getting at, as student on Anthropology ritalin could only help in certian situation, but the majority of the time it would be detrimental as it inhibits abstract thinking which is neeed when applying theory to real conditions.

When people look at my habits of work, it looks clearly like I dick around. If the doctors are correct and ADHD is real, then it is a biological reason not a reason of laziness. I think the best approach is for people to let me use my stategory and this is hard for a lot of people, especially when I tell them I am working and I am looking at revleft.

However we can not always change our structure and I can see why high school students, students at university who are enrolled in degrees that relie on empirical studies (sciences, math, economics) and others may need to use stimulants.

Now the other side that sucks with being diagnosed is over-biologising every behaviour. As a high school student, every dumb and stupid thing I ever did was put down to me having ADHD and I was always asked the question "have you taken your medication today?". During highschool I think I missed my dosage less then 5 times.

I think being diagonised with anything psychological has alot of negative effects and being diagonised with ADHD means that in adult hood you are often left without any skills or structure on how to manage your abilities without the use of stimulants.

[Qayin]

I think i suffer from something similar to necroCommie. I have constant lethargy and apathy throughout the day, even in regards to tasks that are of utmost importance or those to which i hold dear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD_predominantly_inattentive

The only Hyperactivity I suffer from is a mental feeling that I would describe as a spinning,itching feeling you cant shake.
If the fatigue was as bad as mine it could be a few things. Depression, a thyroid issues, lack of vitamins or in my case ADHD-PI.

You should go get checked out, its not to bad. I went to a GP then onward to a Neurologist



Now if I take ritilian, I have a two hour window to do concentrated work for each dosage. However ritialin only works for empirical work and it completly blocks abstract thinking.Ritalin is like 40 years old, the "technology" behind it is ancient. My doctor recommended Vyvanse has
the newer more recent treatment and its done me wonders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisdexamfetamine


If the doctors are correct and ADHD is real, then it is a biological reason not a reason of lazinessMy whole family has had some form of a mental disorder on my Mothers side. My mother has an anxiety problem,Grandfather
suffers from severe depression ect. I think I got biologically screwed. If it was laziness it would mean some things
excite me that I like. Nothing does, its coming back now with my meds, I feel alive again.



I think being diagonised with anything psychological has alot of negative effects and being diagonised with ADHD means that in adult hood you are often left without any skills or structure on how to manage your abilities without the use of stimulants.
I heard so far I can be screwed with the "pre-existing condition" horseshit until the new Healthcare bill becomes active.
Hopefully we will have universal and better regulation by the time I go off my parents healthcare.

I do fear the addiction potential and I have discussed this with my doctor about my adult life regarding if I will always be on them.
My doctor told me I could be a lucky guy and grow out of it like some people do, I hope so.
Theres always new treatments popping up, who knows what could come out to replace stimulant drugs.

[Dr Mindbender]

do any other sufferers here have a predispostion to spending extended periods asleep?

I dont take substances or drink alcohol so i know that is not the cause.

On my day off its not unusual for me to spend 10-12 hours in bed. Its very frustrating as i miss all my spare time and my health suffers due to under-eating.

[Hiero]

I am pretty worried about taking the new drugs for ADHD. The sexual side effects scare me. And if any of them feel like being on ritalin, I am not that interested. And coffee seems to do the trick these days?

What sort of sensation do you find being on Vyvanse?



On my day off its not unusual for me to spend 10-12 hours in bed. Its very frustrating as i miss all my spare time and my health suffers due to under-eating.


If I am in a regular pattern then no. A regular pattern for me is going to bed between 10pm-12pm and waking up between 9am-10am. So between 8-10hours. When i am closer to 10-12 hours it is because I have irregular patterns.

Do you do exercise much? Going for a job each day should help, and trying to eat regularly.

[Qayin]

do any other sufferers here have a predispostion to spending extended periods asleep?
Yes.


On my day off its not unusual for me to spend 10-12 hours in bed. Its very frustrating as i miss all my spare time and my health suffers due to under-eating.
Its a ***** I know EXACTLY what you mean.I am pretty skinny(135 lbs,17 years old and 5'11) and now im on stimulant drugs, so I really force myself to eat. Protein shakes are my best friend now.


The sexual side effects scare me
ED? http://taimapedia.org/wiki/Stimdick


What sort of sensation do you find being on Vyvanse?
I have never done Ritalin so I cant compare the too.
Its a very mellow subtle feeling you just feel alive,awake,and have energy,there's no peaking and lasts to 10/12/14 hours and theres six different dosage sizes, im on a 40mg middle of the road dosage. Only problem i've had so far is like a lockjaw/teeth grinding sensation like MDMA when i'm coming down at night, nothing major.


If I am in a regular pattern then no. A regular pattern for me is going to bed between 10pm-12pm and waking up between 9am-10am. So between 8-10hours. When i am closer to 10-12 hours it is because I have irregular patterns.
The constant lethargy gave me the worst sleep patterns.


Do you do exercise much? Going for a job each day should help, and trying to eat regularly.
I know this is for mindbender but I did try weight lifting and excising, taking
a large multivitamin daily, tried supplements such as DMAE/Ginkgo Biloba/Fish oil and some other crap, changed my diet(tried the veggie thing too) ect and nothing changed at all.
(http://www.revleft.com/vb/../member.php?u=11509)

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

No ADHD, but I do take Adderall for depression. I've taken Ritalin and Dexedrine before. Tolerance is a bit annoying, but oh well. How well the medications worked depended on what other medications I was taken at the time.

I used to sleep 10-12 hours until I got the right medications. Eating is a difficult thing with medications for ADHD that often suppress appetite. Depending on your budget, there are options. Pills, eating more (kind of obvious). The eating relies on simply making what you do eat more fattening. Vitamins for nutrients. You can sometimes time medications so you will be hungry at certain times. Try to eat quickly before your body recognizes you are full.

[Sasha]

weight gain? fruitshakes with full fat icecream.
just trow some bannanas, strawberries etc etc with some juice and a liter of fatty icecream in the blender.
you can drink a whole liter of the stuff (escpacely if you take up smoking weed on the side) withoud feeling even slightly full.

[Nwoye]

I think i suffer from something similar to necroCommie. I have constant involuntary lethargy and apathy throughout the day, even in regards to tasks that are of utmost importance or those to which i hold dear. Even trying to pick up a book to study feels like trying to climb a mountain.

Never been diagnosed though.

do any other sufferers here have a predispostion to spending extended periods asleep?

I dont take substances or drink alcohol so i know that is not the cause.

On my day off its not unusual for me to spend 10-12 hours in bed. Its very frustrating as i miss all my spare time and my health suffers due to under-eating.

You've just described some very common signs of depression.

[Atlee]

This morning on the Today Show they announced a direct link to ADD and chemical spray on vegetables. If there ever was a better reason to grow food and not grass and keep farms organic then here it is on OUR plate.

[Mumbles]

Links? A lot of things "directly linking" is just a bunch of horseshit to cause a stir to avoid the real news.

[Atlee]

Links? A lot of things "directly linking" is just a bunch of horseshit to cause a stir to avoid the real news.

Did you read "Today Show"? Since I cannot add links or emotacons you will have to look up the story on the "Today Show". That is an NBC station.

If you know some other "real" or "truth" then by all means let us know.

[Mumbles]

I just searched their website and all of google and apparently missed the article. You can post the article if you go, you might have to type it out or copy-paste though todayshow dot com

[Dr Mindbender]

You've just described some very common signs of depression.

I only gave you part of the story though.

im sure its not simply depression because i display other symptoms that suggest something on the autistic spectrum, probably a high functioning case of aspies.

I have temperamental memory, am poorly co-ordinated (keep banging into things) and struggle to respond appropriately to cues in social situations. I have this habit where i keep involuntarilly slamming my arse down when i sit much to the bemusement of work colleages. It is very frustrating and their responses can be quite cutting.

[9]

I was diagnosed with ADD when I was in school (I was maybe ten-years-old iirc), but they said it wasn't the "hyper kind" because "girls don't usually have the hyper kind". I actually think its bullshit, personally.
I mean, seriously, a ten-year-old kid has a hard time sitting in a chair for eight hours straight five days a week concentrating on boring tedious bullshit: mental disorder, sound the alarms! pump the kid full of speed. I don't know, it doesn't sit right with me.

[Honggweilo]

Join the club, matter of fact, i'm on my way to a "ADD group therapy for adults" learning to regain regular rhythm in your life. It quite fun since ADD'ers are mostly creative and layed back people.

@ 9

Posts: 1,337

gratz :lol:

[Raúl Duke]

I was (mis)diagnosed with ADD or ADHD and was put on ritalin when I was a little kid.
At some point I was no longer given my medicine...

I guess I have functioned fine without it.

If I have any problem, it would be depression and I feel it has gotten worse this year (although the beginnings of this getting worse was mid-2009) although I'm not exactly diagnosed with it per se and currently not taking any medication (although I've taken prozac and I didn't feel that it worked, in fact perhaps it made me more apathetic in the "ahhh who gives a fuck, I'll do this (or I'll not do this)" kind of way.)


No ADHD, but I do take Adderall for depression.

Adderall for depression?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Adderall for depression?

Yeah. Depression can cause concentration issues, fatigue, and obviously, depression. Stimulants can benefit all of these. They essentially make the user high to get them to normal. Due to tolerance, most people have to cycle between stimulants over time. I don't know if medications "help some but not enough" qualified as treatment resistant depression. However, both situations can require different tactics.

It's quite interesting how much overlap mental health drugs have. It's also difficult to diagnose conditions. I've had people unqualified to make diagnoses suggest ADHD and Asperger's - the latter of which was suggested merely because I said I didn't care about obeying arbitrary social norms, lol.

I've seen five psychiatrists in my life, I think. I don't know what diagnostic criteria they used. However, the first one I saw in my early teens diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. The second in my late teens said it was Dysthymia. My current psychiatrist isn't concerned much with bipolar. It's usually medicated with sedatives, which I don't like generally. He just deals with symptoms, which is why the stimulants. I like taking medications, though. It's pretty interesting. I've taken:

Wellbutrin (twice), Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, Ritalin, Dexedrine, Adderall, Modafinil, and Seroquel. I take Wellbutrin, Celexa, Adderall, and Modafinil now, though I am hoping to fiddle with my medications while I'm out of school.

So my excessively long answer is that Adderall can be used for depression. How I react to stimulants varies depending on my symptoms and other medications. I hated Ritalin the time I took it. Dexedrine I liked for awhile, but I got irritated with it. I researched Adderall and found out it's a favorite of many people so I suggested it when I was desperate for some energy. I've also got a sleep study coming up that is suspected to come back fine.

Mood is fairly good and that's my #1 priority. That being said, I feel good about the fast majority of medications available. The amount of medications and combinations means some things can probably always improve. And life stuff I can work at, too, but my life has always been fairly good.

At least my current psychiatrist doesn't like to use electroconvulsive therapy if he can avoid it. Hemingway has scared me away from that, and I likely don't need it anyway.

[Raúl Duke]

the first one I saw in my early teens diagnosed me with bipolar disorder.

I was "silent" (mis?)diagnosed with bipolar disorder once...this psychiatrist randomly prescribed me lamictal and did not indicate anything. I went to the internet and found out that lamictal is mostly for treatment of bipolar disorder.

[Nwoye]

I only gave you part of the story though.

im sure its not simply depression because i display other symptoms that suggest something on the autistic spectrum, probably a high functioning case of aspies.

I have temperamental memory, am poorly co-ordinated (keep banging into things) and struggle to respond appropriately to cues in social situations. I have this habit where i keep involuntarilly slamming my arse down when i sit much to the bemusement of work colleages. It is very frustrating and their responses can be quite cutting.
fair enough. I didn't want to come off as saying "you have depression that's your problem!" I just noticed that what you were describing some common signs.

[002]

I was also diagnosed with ADD when I was around 9-10. My mother called the diagnosis bullshit, so I've never taken medication, nor do I plan to. I do have extremes, however, where I can go from being unable to concentrate at all on even the most simplest thing versus being able to sit down and read something for 16 hours straight. That & mood swings. When I was suicidal and depressed I was put on medication (I didn't want to) which had the effect of dramatically reducing my sex drive. Since then I've avoided taking any sorts of medication. I don't even like taking flu & cold antibiotics. Altho, I do like smoking weed, E and coke. :)

I think there is a culture to categorize people with non-typical personalities with a mental disorder and try to 'solve' their behavior via drugs. I am not denying that there are people with serous mental health issues where drugs can be very helpful to them in living a healthy life. But I still think there's a culture of over-medicalization.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Isn't coke, cocaine? ADHD medications are typically stimulants as well, only milder. Many professionals without ADHD use the medications for a variety of reasons. But it's true that society is quick to recommend medication and some people can function quite well with non-typical personalities.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I do not want to invoke Godwin here, but I could see dangerous risks with biologising and trying to control human behaviour through biological means.
http://www.kaitaia.com/funny/g2/d/13878-1/hitler-watermelon.gif


sorry pal, even refering to godwin's rule means godwin's rule is true. and you did it pretty fast.






anyways... i was diagnoced with ADHD, i was prescribed with Ritalin when i was 7-9 and then something until i was 12, and then adderall which i stopped taking when i was 16.

i really think that those medications have caused a mild paranoia i have. thats why i stopped smoking pot. i didnt want it(the paranoia) to get worse.

[Das war einmal]

Join the club, matter of fact, i'm on my way to a "ADD group therapy for adults"


Ha, allready been there :lol:

[Atlee]

I just searched their website and all of google and apparently missed the article. You can post the article if you go, you might have to type it out or copy-paste though todayshow dot com

I found an alternate site which was linked through United Farm Workers which is Web MD: htt p://ww w.we bm d.com/add-adhd/news/20100517/common-pesticides-double-kids-adhd-risk

Pesticides May Raise Kids' Risk of ADHD
Study Shows Food Is Likely Source of Pesticide Exposure Linked to ADHD
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News

May 17, 2010 -- Relatively low-level exposure to common pesticides -- probably from residues on foods -- doubles kids' risk of ADHD, Harvard researchers find.

The findings come from a nationally representative sample of 1,139 U.S. kids aged 8 to 15 who were tested for ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) and had urine samples tested for signs of exposure to various organophosphate pesticides such as malathion.

Kids with higher-than-average levels of pesticide metabolites were about twice as likely to have ADHD as kids with undetectable levels of pesticide metabolites, find Marc C. Weisskopf, PhD, ScD, associate professor of environmental health and epidemiology at Harvard School of Public Health, and colleagues.

"This raises concerns that ubiquitous pesticides may be contributing to the national burden of ADHD, which already is quite high," Weisskopf tells WebMD.

It's not just kids who live on farms or otherwise get extremely frequent or high-dose exposure to pesticides. The metabolites detected in the Weisskopf study indicate that these kids have ongoing, low-level exposure to pesticides at levels that may affect their development.

"What I think is so important is this is not a select group of people with unusually high pesticide exposure," Weisskopf says. "This is a general population sample. If this link with ADHD is proved true, there is a big chunk of people this is going to be relevant for."

Weisskopf notes that his study is designed to detect a possible risk but is not able to prove that one thing caused another. For example, the data could be taken to mean that kids with ADHD somehow behave in ways that increases their exposure to pesticides. While that appears counterintuitive, further studies are needed to test whether pesticides truly contribute to ADHD.

Pesticide Exposure From Common Foods
Alarmingly, the Weisskopf study complements an earlier study by Virginia A. Rauh, ScD, MSW, professor of family health at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health and co-deputy director of the Columbia Center for Children's Environmental Health.

In their 2006 study, Rauh and colleagues found that kids with the most exposure to a household organophosphate pesticide had significantly delayed mental and motor development. These effects increased over time. And kids who were exposed while still in their mothers' wombs were more likely than other kids to have ADHD.

"We were quite sure the exposure came from residential pesticide use and from food," Rauh tells WebMD. "What happens is a whole variety of commonly used foods are sprayed routinely with organophosphates to eliminate pests. That is where the food residue comes from."

Unlike cigarette smoke, a health-harming pollutant that one can do much to avoid, pesticides are hard to avoid. They're everywhere -- even in foods we generally consider healthy.

"Here is a situation where the average consumer isn't buying the wrong kind of food or breathing the wrong kind of air. There is not a whole lot the average person can do," Rauh says. "And that is where we need the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] to take a good look at all these studies and see if the risk warrants dropping the safety limit for these chemicals and tightening their regulation."

Pesticide Exposure From Common Foods continued...
According to tests by the consumer organization Environmental Working Group (EWG), seven fruits are among the foods most contaminated with organophosphate pesticides:

peaches
strawberries
apples
domestic blueberries
nectarines
cherries
imported grapes
The EWG also found high pesticide levels in five vegetables:

celery
sweet bell peppers
spinach
kale
collard greens
potatoes
The good news is that EWG found 15 fruits and vegetables to be relatively low in pesticide residues:

onions
avocado
sweet corn (frozen)
pineapples
mango
sweet peas (frozen)
asparagus
kiwi fruit
cabbage
eggplant
domestic cantaloupe
watermelon
grapefruit
sweet potatoes
honeydew melon

Weisskopf and colleagues report their findings in the May 17 online issue of Pediatrics.

[Das war einmal]

Now that you get Ritalin, you can get drunk more faster!

[Mumbles]

@atlee, interesting. Surprising that they've only now made some sort of plausible connection. I'll have to wait and see if other tests into it back up the data and conclusion before I accept all of it.

[this is an invasion]

ADHD isn't real. I was "diagnosed" with it, too, because I didn't do well in school despite being an intelligent person. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with me, or anyone else. It means that there are different ways people go through life. It's not a fucking disease.

[Mumbles]

Real science would like to have a word with you... You might indeed have been misdiagnosed, but there are actual conditions brought on by inefficient wiring in the brain and chemistry.

[Raúl Duke]

ADHD isn't real. I was "diagnosed" with it, too, because I didn't do well in school despite being an intelligent person. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with me, or anyone else. It means that there are different ways people go through life. It's not a fucking disease.

I notice that these views differ depending on person/depending on which mental disorder they have some experience with .

I've meet people who suffer depression and they tell me the meds don't do shit (that's because studies have shown that most anti-depressants are equal to placebos).

I've meet people with manic depression (bipolar disorder) and they say the meds have been very helpful and would think that anyone who say "mental disorders aren't real", "psychiatry is evil" or "psychiatric drugs don't do shit" are dumb.

I haven't really meet many people with ADHD but yes it's possible that one could be easily misdiagnosed. I think I was diagnosed with ADHD because I had the false impression that if one finished all the assigned work in class one could have "free time" for the rest of the period so I quickly finished my work. One day, the teachers actually kept giving me work and I was confused. In retorspect, I found that day stressful and it makes me believe that school, particularly in the early levels, is not really to educate you but to keep you busy working inane shit and following instructions.

[this is an invasion]

I notice that these views differ depending on person/depending on which mental disorder they have some experience with .

I've meet people who suffer depression and they tell me the meds don't do shit (that's because studies have shown that most anti-depressants are equal to placebos).

I've meet people with manic depression (bipolar disorder) and they say the meds have been very helpful and would think that anyone who say "mental disorders aren't real", "psychiatry is evil" or "psychiatric drugs don't do shit" are dumb.

I haven't really meet many people with ADHD but yes it's possible that one could be easily misdiagnosed. I think I was diagnosed with ADHD because I had the false impression that if one finished all the assigned work in class one could have "free time" for the rest of the period so I quickly finished my work. One day, the teachers actually kept giving me work and I was confused. In retorspect, I found that day stressful and it makes me believe that school, particularly in the early levels, is not really to educate you but to keep you busy working inane shit and following instructions.
I'm not denying the existence of mental disorders. That would be stupid. I'm saying that certain things, like most forms of depression (I "have" severe depression) and ADHD/ADD, are not "mental disorders."

I agree 100% with your analysis of education, and this makes up my main reason to be against ADHD as a disorder. There are some people who can cope with the ridiculous automaton-like life of capitalist society, and there are some that can't. It doesn't help the ruling class much if there are people out there that aren't efficient little workers, so they drug them up.

I would say the same about depression. I view depression as a symptom of something greater, i.e. there is something wrong with your life. I mean sometimes it could be very well that you aren't getting outside enough or you have a chemical imbalance in your head from neat eating right or enough ( I know of one lady who had really bad depression that was caused as a reaction to the chemicals that were sprayed on the apples she bought, which she ate everyday). But I think a lot of people are beginning to see this society as extremely unbearable, but the only logical thing they know to do is get drugged up. No one looks deeper than that.

[this is an invasion]

Real science would like to have a word with you... You might indeed have been misdiagnosed, but there are actual conditions brought on by inefficient wiring in the brain and chemistry.

That's cool, bro. But in all honesty, to take everything that comes out of science as truth is silly, considering how easily swayed the outcomes of things are by, uh,... money.

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That's cool, bro. But in all honesty, to take everything that comes out of science as truth is silly, considering how easily swayed the outcomes of things are by, uh,... money.

Molecules aren't capitalist.

But I do understand how stuff that comes out of science can be affected by money. These are called psychiatrists.

Edit: Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that ADHD for a fact exists. We don't know. There's no chemical imbalances proven to be linked to it. But that doesn't mean there aren't any. It will just take time and peer-reviewed testing and research to find out all there is to know and see what small tweaks cause what.

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I run a few miles every day before work. Does wonders for attention span.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I don't have ADHD, but I do have depression (possibly bipolar), and I have become quite aware of the misinformation around mental health disorders. Here are some factors that cause people to have misinformed beliefs regarding disorders and psychiatry:

1. Scientology is incredibly well-funded, and they actively spread propaganda.
2. Religion benefits from people who are mentally vulnerable. They advocate prayer and other nonsense over proper medical treatment.
3. Pharmaceutical industries are incredibly greedy, and they have contributed to over-prescribing of medications by doctors.
4. Doctors are spending less time with patients, and diagnosing mental disorders is difficult. Basic human error is going to result in a significant number of false diagnoses. Medications are also prescribed because although doctors can act as therapists, they generally don't. If someone goes to them, they assume the person wants medication because everyone knows about therapy.
5. Medication is stigmatized and there are lies about certain mental health medications being "useless." Scientology is a big player in that. Furthermore, medications are used to treat illnesses and people think taking medication means they are "sick or weak." We should look at taking medication in a different light. We ingest food without looking down our ourselves.
6. The media constantly promotes the idea that ADHD is a myth. People think "kids are just hyper" and ignore scientific realities. Yes, sometimes hyper kids are misdiagnosed as children. However, adult ADHD cases are easy ways of confirming the existence of the disorder.

Some people with ADHD can't even succeed in everyday functioning. They are a minority, of course. I agree that some people can't deal with capitalist economics - for ADHD or other reasons. I'm one of those as the monotony wants to make me slit my throat. I've yet to meet anyone in person who understands. People tell me to toughen up. Nietzsche understands, but he's dead. Marx, too, arguably

ADHD is very strongly supported by research. Again, even psychiatrists often lack the proper time to diagnose. That being said, the proper experts are quite proficient at diagnosing ADHD. Now many mental health disorders are arguably judged on a scale, which makes them simply judgment calls. However, even that is not the typical viewpoint on the matter.

Depression results from the way the world is organized sometimes, yes. This shouldn't be taken as meaning non-medicated people will spur a revolution. Depressed people are not motivated when their symptoms are bad - in the majority of cases.

Environmental chemicals can cause all kinds of disorders, but heredity suggests they are not the sole cause. Depression can occur in people who have a relatively happy life then suddenly become depressed. Post-partum depression is an example in many circumstances. The baby might be the cause, but it's unlikely. There are biological variables. Hemingway is the typical example of someone depressed in their genetics.

I think people with "depression" work in different and complicated ways. Someone with depression might be genetically incapable of dealing with average stress, for instance. Another person may be the average person with too much stress. There can be combinations. Depression might also occur simply on its own - a problem with the whole system.

Mental health disorders exist, though. The difficult variable is when they are a "problem," but the patient is often able to determine that themselves.

[Robocommie]

I have ADD. It usually doesn't affect me too much, except, hey, do you guys like sports? I sometimes watch baseball and sometimes football, but not all the time, and never during the off-season but... ha, that reminds me of this time I was eating lunch with a friend and he was saying something about his dog and football. Dogs are great man. Shit you know what that makes me think of, this one time I saw a dog and he was... and so on and so forth. :D