Organized Religons and Anarchism.

[SammXVX]

How does that exactly work? I mean, would you attend church or?
I'm god-free and I avoid religion in most forms because I'd rather not "drink the Kool-Aid", but i avoid denouncing it.

Where do you stand on it, and is it even possible?

[Qayin]

Id burn them down if we attained a social revolution.Organized religions roots and in-twined with the decaying old world order of Capital and even predates that.

The roots of religion are of those of the ruling class's interests, any Marxist analysis plainly proves it. There's a good book called "A Peoples History of the World" you should pick up sometime debunks Hinduisms and Christianitys/Judaisms roots.

[SammXVX]

Id burn them down if we attained a social revolution.Organized religions roots and in-twined with the decaying old world order of Capital and even predates that.

The roots of religion are of those of the ruling class's interests, any Marxist analysis plainly proves it. There's a good book called "A Peoples History of the World" you should pick up sometime debunks Hinduisms and Christianitys/Judaisms roots.
They would have to go when the revolution comes, because of that. yeah, I understand.

Religion in general is a chain that would bind to the old world order, therefore, it wouldn't even make it into the revolution, right?

yet another book that I stare at but don't read.

[Qayin]

Religion in general is a chain that would bind to the old world order, therefore, it wouldn't even make it into the revolution, right?

It could, that's why we must oppose any opportunist religious people who could bind into this movement.


yet another book that I stare at but don't read.
Its quite a large book,you have to read it in sections.I demolished most of it on plane trips and times I have had nothing better to do.

[SammXVX]

It could, that's why we must oppose any opportunist religious people who could bind into this movement.


Its quite a large book,you have to read it in sections.I demolished most of it on plane trips and times I have had nothing better to do.
Is it memorable enough to read it... slowly?

[Qayin]

Is it memorable enough to read it... slowly?
Very carefully :)

[SammXVX]

Very carefully :)
haha, you have to read everything carefully.

[Die Rote Fahne]

I'll denounce all religion as batshit.

None offer proof. All have things in common with legends and fairy tales.

However, if one wishes to practice religion, without negatively affecting others, they can and should be able to do so.

[Weezer]

Religion and spirituality is not bourgeois, only hierarchy is.

[MarxSchmarx]

Wait, what exactly are people wondering here? Is it whether organized religion will exist in a classless, stateless society? Or is it that one can be an anarchist and belong to an organized religion? Or something else? I honestly do not understand.

[LeftSideDown]

Religion in general is a chain that would bind to the old world order, therefore, it wouldn't even make it into the revolution, right?

Yeah! We need to break all those inconvenient chains like history, dissident political thought, non-Marxist fiction/non-fiction becaues those are just links to the old world order. I suggest you start the book burning piles with Fahrenheit 451; the irony would be the best part.

[Raúl Duke]

lol at above

To be honest, I don't know what happens to religion, organized or not, in anarchism. It depends on the conditions. We may end up with what happen to Spain with people openly repudiating religion and burning down churches and shooting the clergy or something else might occur.

[Invincible Summer]

Religion and spirituality is not bourgeois, only hierarchy is.

I replied to your post in the other thread in learning (http://www.revleft.com/vb/religioni-t135744/index.html?p=1753026#post1753026), but I'll do it again here.



I am a strict atheist, and I would also agree that religion/spirituality are not 'bourgeois.' However, I'd also say that they aren't inherently "prole" either. They're just bullshit.

I would also question the "egalitarian" nature of these texts. After all, before scientific socialism and reason and all that, did people not follow the texts more closely? In other words, all the sexism that pervades many prominent religions was more commonplace than it is now... due to proletarian struggle.