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The Grey Blur
14th May 2010, 18:10
Pain of deficit reduction is still hidden

By Chris Giles, Economics Editor
Published: May 12 2010 21:06 | Last updated: May 12 2010 21:06

“Deficit reduction and continuing to ensure economic recovery is the most urgent issue facing Britain,” states the coalition agreement (http://media.ft.com/cms/eb8fec98-5dca-11df-b4fc-00144feab49a.pdf)between the Conservative party and the Liberal Democrats. If so, the rest of the document does not live up to the billing. Compared with budget plans the government has inherited from its Labour predecessor, the agreement included no specific new spending cuts, lots of public spending pledges, copious tax cuts and a commitment to faster deficit reduction. Unless there are huge spending cuts or tax increases planned but not yet announced, far from contracting, the deficit is about to deepen. It is not that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are deliberately misleading the public by saying they want “a significantly accelerated reduction in the structural deficit”. Rather, their plans for specific – and uncontentious – spending increases and tax cuts are well defined, while the broader objective of large net spending cuts and tax increases remains cloaked in secrecy

Day one for George Osborne consisted of phone calls to foreign finance ministers and British business groups. The chancellor also rammed home to officials, who clapped him into the building, the importance of David Laws, a Liberal Democrat and chief secretary to the Treasury. This was intended to send a message: that the coalition is real and Mr Laws is locked into the deficit reduction plan, Treasury insiders said. But Treasury officials, whose job it is “to speak truth to power”, did not say whether the induction of Mr Osborne and Mr Laws had included an outline of the full implications of the government’s aim to reduce the budget deficit faster – at the same time as offering new spending pledges and tax cuts.

First, the Treasury’s existing plans for public spending already imply cuts to government departments of £37bn (2.5 per cent of national income) a year by 2013-14. Added to this, the coalition agreement has committed the parties to increases in spending on overseas aid with an annual cost of £4bn; fresh income tax cuts with a price tag of about £5bn, as a downpayment on the Lib Dem plan to raise income tax thresholds; £3bn a year for avoiding some Labour tax increases; faster deficit reduction, which implies additional spending reductions of about a further £8bn; a jobs package at £600m; more funding for poor school pupils at £2.5bn; and higher old-age pensions costing about £2bn.

Set against this are near-term plans to raise taxes on aviation of £3bn and capital gains tax of about £2bn. Put this together and Mr Osborne will have to announce public spending cuts of £57bn a year by 2013-14 from a non-protected budget of about £260bn – cuts of about 22 per cent. The next few months will see the government progressively coming clean about these figures, blaming its predecessor for the mess it has inherited, and softening the public up for the brutal cuts to come.

First, a newly created Office for Budget Responsibility will present fresh forecasts for growth and borrowing, which are likely to show that the underlying problem is worse than thought. Then an emergency Budget by the end of June will set out the government’s ambitions for faster deficit reduction. And in the autumn, detailed spending cuts will be outlined in a spending review covering the next three years. This will be the defining moment of the new parliament. Britain’s public sector will face similar austerity measures to those seen in Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain (http://www.ft.com/indepth/eurozone-bail-out).

It is only when the chancellor announces the pain, rather than the gain, from the new government, that we will know whether this coalition will stick.

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Thoughts?

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
14th May 2010, 18:36
Can we burn banks as well?

Usui
14th May 2010, 18:38
The schadenfreude is too great..

RebelDog
14th May 2010, 19:56
I think it is pretty clear that the UK situation is as bad or even worse than that of Greece, but the reality of this seems off the agenda for the media here whilst it is being reported in other countries. Lets face it, the cuts are going to be ruthless. The wider population is being billed to line the pockets of people who are still lining their pockets and continued to line their pockets all through this episode. Its suffering and misery for the working class, the young, the elderly, the poor, the vulnerable, those on benefits, the unemployed and champagne and roses for untouchable gangsters. I've been involved in activism for a fair number of years now and I do believe that the coming years will be the most important most of us will have seen in the UK. The working class are facing huge attacks and one can only hope that surely some kind of fightback will occur. They are brewing us a poison they hope we will swallow without complaint. It must be spat back in their face. This is the time for concerted organising against these savage cuts and the working to raise the possibility of an alternative direction in to the working class conciousness.

howblackisyourflag
14th May 2010, 20:20
I think it is pretty clear that the UK situation is as bad or even worse than that of Greece, but the reality of this seems off the agenda for the media here whilst it is being reported in other countries. Lets face it, the cuts are going to be ruthless. The wider population is being billed to line the pockets of people who are still lining their pockets and continued to line their pockets all through this episode. Its suffering and misery for the working class, the young, the elderly, the poor, the vulnerable, those on benefits, the unemployed and champagne and roses for untouchable gangsters. I've been involved in activism for a fair number of years now and I do believe that the coming years will be the most important most of us will have seen in the UK. The working class are facing huge attacks and one can only hope that surely some kind of fightback will occur. They are brewing us a poison they hope we will swallow without complaint. It must be spat back in their face. This is the time for concerted organising against these savage cuts and the working to raise the possibility of an alternative direction in to the working class conciousness.

And thats where we revlefters come in. :thumbup1:

BAM
14th May 2010, 20:36
There's no actual reason for these cuts to be made. Obviously those in government believe that cutting the deficit will make some sort of difference to Britain's economic standing, but a former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee said last night that the only thing that matters is an assurance that the UK will not default on its debts. As a sovereign state that issues debt in its own currency, the UK will never default on its debts anyway! The key to deficit reduction is economic growth, not spending cuts.

By the way, I don't know if anyone noticed but when £6bn of public spending cuts was announced yesterday, the value of the pound fell sharply. One day's currency market moves are far from a clear indicator, of course, but it does suggest that market players to some degree acknowledge that government cuts remove the "multiplier effect" of government spending, thus harming growth and the fiscal health of the state.

This does not mean that we can avoid a recession just because of government spending, but it does mean that governments can make it worse by not using their clout in creating stimulus.

AK
15th May 2010, 14:07
Cue BNP takeover.

BAM
15th May 2010, 14:11
Cue BNP takeover.

given they lost all but 2 of the 28 council seats they were defending last week, I think that highly unlikely.

I am waiting for Nick Griffin to get deposed in a coup and/or a split in the party sometime soon.

S.Artesian
15th May 2010, 18:15
Financing the debt is nothing, refinancing the debt is everything--- as the European Union has just shown with the ECB stepping in to buy sovereign and private issues of the EU member countries.

It's not so much a shell game, of moving the shells quickly enough to make it appear that a single pea is behind all the shells. The pea is gone. The question is how long can the game go on when there's only a single shell and no pea, that single shell being progressive concentration and centralization of the self-devaluation of capital in the debt instruments of the bourgeois state?

Shanghai stock market has turned negative, giving up all its gains of the past 12 months [might have something to do with the fact that the EU is its largest export market, and the drying up of flows of hot money as the bourgeoisie go back to circling the wagons and hunkering down]-- and I think China is going to be the canary in this Massey-run coal mine [not for nothing do we get this spate of coal mine disasters in China, Russian, and the US just as capital experiences a "resurgence" based on intensified rates of exploitation].

That hissing sound...? That's the air leaking out of the Chinese balloon.

BAM
15th May 2010, 22:38
Financing the debt is nothing, refinancing the debt is everything--- as the European Union has just shown with the ECB stepping in to buy sovereign and private issues of the EU member countries.

if the ECB had done that ages ago, buying sovereign debt via QE, the whole Greek "crisis" could have been avoided. But then there wouldn't have been the opportunity to punish Greeks for having social welfare and pensions programmes and the like ... ho-hum ...


Shanghai stock market has turned negative, giving up all its gains of the past 12 months [might have something to do with the fact that the EU is its largest export market, and the drying up of flows of hot money as the bourgeoisie go back to circling the wagons and hunkering down]-- and I think China is going to be the canary in this Massey-run coal mine [not for nothing do we get this spate of coal mine disasters in China, Russian, and the US just as capital experiences a "resurgence" based on intensified rates of exploitation].

That hissing sound...? That's the air leaking out of the Chinese balloon.

That's far more worrying, to be honest ...

McCroskey
18th May 2010, 03:04
The working class are facing huge attacks and one can only hope that surely some kind of fightback will occur. They are brewing us a poison they hope we will swallow without complaint. It must be spat back in their face. This is the time for concerted organising against these savage cuts and the working to raise the possibility of an alternative direction in to the working class conciousness.

In my opinion, the problem with Britain is that the revolutionary left will still be atomised beyond belief, with each party, organisation, TU and movement still busy arguing with each other about Stalin, Trotsky or other things that happened almost a hundred years ago, and more focused on theoretical and technical debates about questions of dialectical materialism and history than on current and urgent issues. Capitalists do what we should be doing, and it pays off: they keep their differences in the background and focus on their common point: capitalism. They join forces in order to gain power and only after they have power then they discuss over policy, but the common goal is unnafected, although slightly modified in a way or another.

The difference of opinion between sectors within, say, the conservatives, is greater than the difference of opinion betweem all the atomised groups of the revolutionary left, but still, we don´t seem to be capable of understanding that our goal is common to us all, and seem incapable of uniting in a huge United Left front, as the spaniards, for example, did during the 2nd republic. We are still loyal to our parties, rather than to our common goals, in a very sectarian way. We should fight united for properly representing the interests of the working class, and only when we are in a position to do so should we move on to more secondary aspects of method and policy, with a common understanding that no matter what, democratic decisions within the movement should be accepted, to safeguard the representation of the workers.

The working class has become a bit distant of the revolutionary left, partly because of the indoctrination of the capitalist society, and, we should do a bit of self-criticism here, partly because when they turn their heads towards us, we start attacking each other, and most people are not in a position to understand the subtleties of the divergences between the CPB, the CPGB, the NCPB, the RCPB, the SWP, the SP, etc, or to understand what´s going on when we label each other trotskysts, stalinists, reformists or revisionists. In their eyes, we are only loyal to our organisation, giving such massive importance to theoretical and historical differences that we don't seem to be able to compromise for what they expect from us: represent them.

The capitalist class are not dumb: First they win, then they debate, they never fight. We should be focusing on the revolutionary aims of the movement, rather than arguing about theory, and then, only when we can say: ok, here we are, we have the power to start moving in our common direction, should we start debating, not fighting, democratically about the best way to achieve it.

Only my opinion. I am not interested in fighting with a person who is as commited as me to achieve real improvement in the conditions of the working people, over whose organisation did better in struggles that are in the past and which should be confined to history, the history we should study and analyse in order to learn and improve, not to get stuck as a movement, as we are doing now.

Salud.

Red Commissar
18th May 2010, 03:59
So I guess this is the change the Tories were promising :lol:

Stuff like this will continue to happen until the British people truly repudiate the capitalist parties that dominate parliament.