Lin Biaoism = Revisionism?

[The Vegan Marxist]

I've heard these statements by a lot of people on here, yet have never really shown why exactly it's under revisionist principles. I mean, I understand sort of, but Deng made some pretty good points when it came to Third Worldism. I don't support the views of eradicating first world countries to such an extent that Deng viewed, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a point. So why exactly is Dengism revisionism?

[The Ben G]

Because it is Market Socialism (closer to Social Democracy than actual Market Socialism). Main reason that capitalism came back to China. Is there any need to explain more?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Actually, I'd like a little more than a point of finger, saying what's what, without showing reasoning why it is.

[Guerrilla22]

Because it involved market reforms which led to China having a mixed economy, which is inherently revisionist.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Wow, the day has been too long with my headache & allergies...gawd...I didn't mean to say Deng, but rather Lin Biao. My mistake....:blushing:

[mosfeld]

Wow, the day has been too long with my headache & allergies...gawd...I didn't mean to say Deng, but rather Lin Biao. My mistake....:blushing:

Before you made that point I was "Wtf"-ing at your remarks that Deng wanted to destroy the first world, haha.

I haven't really read that much about Lin Biao, but if I remember correctly he and Mao had a bit beef concerning who was the bigger enemy, the Soviet Union or the USA. Lin Biao considered the USA the main enemy while Mao held that the Soviet Union was the prime enemy. Note that the SU has nukes at China's borders. There are probably a shitload of allegations against Lin Biao, I'd like to see some posters point them out.

The official Chinese view was this.

"Lin Biao repeatedly committed errors and Mao Zedong had waged many struggles against him. Sometimes Lin Biao was obliged to quell his arrogance and thus was able to accomplish some useful work. But he was not able to give up his underhanded nature and during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution he appeared to support the thought of Mao Zedong and made propaganda in favour of this thought. He was thus able to hoodwink the masses to become in their eyes the successor of Chairman Mao Zedong.

But he was a double-faced man who was in reality opposed to the revolutionary line of Mao Zedong and to the revolutionary foreign policy worked out by him, especially after the ninth party congress. He undertook antiparty activities in a planned, premeditated way with a well determined programme with the aim of taking over power, usurping the leadership of the party, the government and the army. Mao Zedong unmasked his plot and blocked the manoeuvre. Mao Zedong made efforts to recover him but Lin Biao did not change his perverse nature one iota. He attempted a coup d'etat and tried to assassinate Mao Zedong. After his plot was foiled he fled on 12 September towards the Soviet Union on a plane which crashed in the People's Republic of Mongolia."

[Rjevan]

I've changed the title of the thread to avoid further confusion. ;)

[Die Neue Zeit]

Yeah, but you didn't edit the OP, which still says Deng Xiaoping and not Lin Biao. :p

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

to the revolutionary foreign policy worked out by him

Is that the revolutionary line of approaching the capitalist west of the 1970's?

[RedStarOverChina]

Lin Biao was more of an opportunist, not a revisionist. He seems to have been somewhat pro-Soviet after the Sino-Soviet slit.

In public, he kissed Mao's ass like it's a profession, but secretly hated Mao because he felt Mao uses people like lemon, he squeezes them dry and toss them away. (not his exact words, but the sentiment is expressed in his diary.)


Still, there's no denying that he was probably the most ingenious Chinese military commander in 100 years.


Also, I dont recall Lin Biao calling for the eradication of 1st workd countries. Any links?

[Atlee]

I believe this is two people disagreeing in public. I have several books on the topic:


* Mao A Biography by Terrill
* Mao's China and After by Meisner
* The Search for Modern China by Spence
* The Transformation of Chinese Socialism by Chun
* Mao by Chang


If anyone wants to use some very specific points I'd be more than happy to match pages here.

[mosfeld]

Also, I dont recall Lin Biao calling for the eradication of 1st workd countries. Any links? I don't know if he wanted to eradicate the first world, but he upheld global people's war, that the global countryside, the third world, would encircle the global cities, the first world. Maoist-Third Worldists are those who advocate eradicating the first world based on this theory.

[Ismail]

It seems that Hoxha was rather concerned about what happened to him. In the late 70's, though, he called Lin an opportunist (as he called all other Chinese leaders of the 1960's and 70's)

In his diary:

September 24th., 1971:
The news agencies are clamouring about something going on in China, alleging that Lin Piao has fled.

October 26th., 1971:
It is indirectly confirmed that something has happened to Lin Piao. The rumours cannot have been without foundation.

January 3rd., 1972:
The Chinese are still not telling us anything about the disappearance of Lin Piao, which is now an undeniable fact. On this question an impermissible silence is being maintained towards us.

July 22nd., 1972:
At last, after nearly eleven months, the Chinese comrades have given us some official information about the "ultra leftists" or "the Lin Piao plot".

According to this information, Lin Piao had conspired to assassinate Mao and had gathered, his men for an armed uprising. When this plot was discovered, on the morning of September 13th., 1971, he fled by aircraft in the direction of the Soviet Union, but the plane crashed and burned out in Mongolia. From what the Chinese say, Lin was "closely linked with the Soviets".

Was Lin Piao in agreement over the talks with Kissinger and the decisions which were taken? On this they are silent, not saying a word. Why?!

This very important point remains unexplained by the Chinese comrades. But this does not surprise us because it is neither the first, nor the last unexplained point.

How was it possible that the Minister of Defence of China and "Vice-Chairman of the Party, who entrusted the arrangements for his flight to his son, the Deputy-Commander of the entire Chinese air force should select an aircraft without a proper crew, without a radio, with insufficient fuel, which would crash in Mongolia and be burned out like a child's toy. Also, it seems surprising that Lin Piao took off so precipitously, while his main collaborators stayed behind to await arrest. Could Lin Piao have been the victim of a conspiracy, summoned urgently to Peking by air, kidnapped, flown towards the Soviet Union and liquidated on the way? Officially we accept what the Chinese say, but time will explain everything.

July 30th., 1972:
The charge d'affaires of the Chinese Embassy in Chile has told our ambassador there: "The friends of Mao killed Lin Piao and the aicraft was shot down in Mongolia".

[The Ben G]

Wow, the day has been too long with my headache & allergies...gawd...I didn't mean to say Deng, but rather Lin Biao. My mistake....:blushing:

Thats Ok.

[Dimentio]

Should it not simply be called "Linism"? I mean, it isn't like its called Mao Zedongism, or Vladimir Leninism, or Karl Marxism?

[CartCollector]

Should it not simply be called "Linism"? I mean, it isn't like its called Mao Zedongism, or Vladimir Leninism, or Karl Marxism?

Problem is "Linism" looks like "Leninism" misspelled.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't know if he wanted to eradicate the first world, but he upheld global people's war, that the global countryside, the third world, would encircle the global cities, the first world. Maoist-Third Worldists are those who advocate eradicating the first world based on this theory.

Yes, I know a couple people who uphold these views like a religion. They see it as such that first worldists, whether working class or not, are not truly exploited, but rather oppressed, & that the third worlds are exploited by the first worlders, whether oppressed or not, because we consume products that lead to the destruction of third world countries. Their arguments are also under which they compare the homeless to those of the third world, & point out how the homeless of first worlds would be like being somewhat rich to those literally starving to death in third world countries.

I'll grant them that they make very valid points, but I still find myself really not understanding their viewpoint in which every first worlder is reactionary because we're forced to consume products that lead to the destruction of third world countries. I mean, a lot of us who despise what the first world countries are doing are too poor to even leave the country. So we don't really have much of a choice. So we have no other choice but to use the system against itself. How that leads us to become reactionaries & not "true" working class, idk.