Anti-Communism, Alive And Well

[GracchusBabeuf]

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[Wakka]

I don't consider any of these "right-wingers" to be stupid. They're simply ill-informed everyday hard working Americans led by a group of corrupt media men who are backed up, financially, by bankers and corporations. Glenn Beck's salary is around $17 million a year, it's not like he's going to disobey his orders.

As for Sarah Palin, she's just :downsyndrome:

[GreenCommunism]

Giordano: “As far as the drugs are concerned, it's true. There's a terrific flow of drugs coming out of Yunnan Province of China. ... There's no question that in that particular area this is the aim of the Red Chinese. It should be apparent that if you could addict a population you would degrade a nation's moral fiber.”

even if it was true it would only mean china has learned to do what the british empire did to them.

[ChrisK]

Nice find. Right wingers aren't exactly stupid, but they are ignorant of our positions. Maybe we should try to focus on educating the more right wing people.

[Red Commissar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWeZ5SKXvj8

Sad thing is this doesn't sound out of place with what I've been seeing nowadays :laugh:

[which doctor]

What's interesting about the lingering image of communism in the American public imagination is that, unlike actual McCarthyism, there no longer exists a communist threat. Instead, its entirely imagined in the minds of people like Glenn Beck and the Tea Party. When HUAC existed, it was because they were actually accusing communists of being communists, but when Glenn Beck does it now, he's doing it in bad faith.

[Barry Lyndon]

Right-wing idiocy is to be expected though. What irritates me much more is liberal anti-communism, which whines about certain capitalist injustices but will rule out of order any serious alternative to the current economic system.

[Uppercut]

I hate this place a little more each day.

[bie]

What irritates me much more is liberal anti-communism, which whines about certain capitalist injustices but will rule out of order any serious alternative to the current economic system
What irritates me even more is the leftist anti-communism, that gives credit and support to the lies made up by bourgeoisie about the history of the Soviet Union and People's Democracies. That propagates and defend myths created by imperialist propagandists in order to discredit the hard work of our comrades in building socialist societies worldwide.

[28350]

What's interesting about the lingering image of communism in the American public imagination is that, unlike actual McCarthyism, there no longer exists a communist threat. Instead, its entirely imagined in the minds of people like Glenn Beck and the Tea Party. When HUAC existed, it was because they were actually accusing communists of being communists, but when Glenn Beck does it now, he's doing it in bad faith.
Yeah, he makes us seem so much more powerful than we actually are. It's sort of like Jews reading the protocols of the elders of Zion instead of credible sources on anti-Semitic violence. Some right-wing fuck's skewed perception of reality is actually better than reality. :(


I hate this place a little more each day.
This place being revleft, or the US?

[Barry Lyndon]

What irritates me even more is the leftist anti-communism, that gives credit and support to the lies made up by bourgeoisie about the history of the Soviet Union and People's Democracies. That propagates and defend myths created by imperialist propagandists in order to discredit the hard work of our comrades in building socialist societies worldwide.

Stalinism does not equal communism. Get over it. I defend the positive achievements of the revolutions in Russia, China, Vietnam, and Cuba. That doesn't mean I have to praise every action of every leader. Stop stirring up sectarian bs. Stop it.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Stalinism does not equal communism. Get over it. I defend the positive achievements of the revolutions in Russia, China, Vietnam, and Cuba. That doesn't mean I have to praise every action of every leader. Stop stirring up sectarian bs. Stop it.

Yes, but if it wasn't for Stalin, I'm sure we would've seen the end of the USSR quite earlier than 1991. Stalin was worth of a Soviet leader.

[DaringMehring]

Yes, but if it wasn't for Stalin, I'm sure we would've seen the end of the USSR quite earlier than 1991. Stalin was worth of a Soviet leader.

Funny, my opinion is the opposite. I think if there had been a less bad representative of the bureaucracy in power (we're assuming the bureaucracy's victory over the workers was inevitable) say, Zinoviev, then socialism might have already closed out global victory by now. Imo, it is hard to think of someone who set world socialism back more than Stalin.

And of course, leave it to Stalinists to turn a thread about anti-communism into a thread about anti-Stalinism, as if to attack communism is to attack Stalin and vice versa, while they themselves are quick to brand lots of other communists as "traitors" deserving of death. Sigh.

[Barry Lyndon]

And of course, leave it to Stalinists to turn a thread about anti-communism into a thread about anti-Stalinism, as if to attack communism is to attack Stalin and vice versa, while they themselves are quick to brand lots of other communists as "traitors" deserving of death. Sigh.

Because what defines Stalinists is that their primary concern is fanatically defending Stalin, not defending the cause of communism in general. Worship of Stalin is the center of their politics, which they make synonymous with the heroic struggles and achievements of hundreds of millions of people.
In their warped minds, it is 'anti-communist' to admire Trotsky, who led the Red Army to victory and it is ok smear him as a fascist agent, but not 'anti-communist' to admire Stalin, who actually made pacts with the Nazis.

[bie]

Stalinism does not equal communism. Get over it. I defend the positive achievements of the revolutions in Russia, China, Vietnam, and Cuba. That doesn't mean I have to praise every action of every leader. Stop stirring up sectarian bs. Stop it.
I wonder what is more sectarian - denouncing bourgeoisie lies and propaganda against communism (regardless of its historical period or sectarian preferences) or supporting those lies and false accusations? Or maybe just keeping quiet in this matter, even it we know that they simply lie, because bourgeoisie attack "stalinism" not communism? Isn't it? Are you aware that supporting bourgeoisie lies about the history of communism (it is not only directed to "antistalinists" but - also to supporters of the "soviet social-fascism", "soviet imperialism" etc) - creates the atmosphere of "communophobia" among the workers and helps bourgeoisie to criminalize communists and therefore to strenthen its class position? Are you aware that the bourgeoisie lies lead to the false conslusion that the socialism is not an alternative to the capitalism and - eventually that there is no alternative to capitalist slavery?

[Barry Lyndon]

I wonder what is more sectarian - denouncing bourgeoisie lies and propaganda against communism (regardless of its historical period or sectarian preferences) or supporting those lies and false accusations? Or maybe just keeping quiet in this matter, even it we know that they simply lie, because bourgeoisie attack "stalinism" not communism? Isn't it? Are you aware that supporting bourgeoisie lies about the history of communism (it is not only directed to "antistalinists" but - also to supporters of the "soviet social-fascism", "soviet imperialism" etc) - creates the atmosphere of "communophobia" among the workers and helps bourgeoisie to criminalize communists and therefore to strenthen its class position? Are you aware that the bourgeoisie lies lead to the false conslusion that the socialism is not an alternative to the capitalism and - eventually that there is no alternative to capitalist slavery?

So, was Trotsky a capitalist liar? What about Bukharin? What about Milovan Dijilas ? What about Medvedev? All of them denounced Stalin in terms just as harsh as I used, if not worse. All were dedicated Communists who in many cases put their lives on the line for the Russian Revolution, or for the cause of communism as a whole. But their all liars, and Stalin was telling the truth. You really are a cultist. Pathetic.

[bie]

So, was Trotsky a capitalist liar?
Yes, it happened to him to lie a couple of times. (eg. about the reason why he was expelled from VKP(b) )

What about Bukharin?
What about him?

What about Milovan Dijilas ? What about Medvedev? All of them denounced Stalin in terms just as harsh as I used, if not worse.
What about Gorbatchev, what about Yelsin, Gomulka, Gierek etc??. - they were all communists at some stage. Do you believe them as well?

But their all liars, and Stalin was telling the truth. You really are a cultist. Pathetic.
Read this first http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc9912/lies.htm, before you start to offend me again. If you deny that lies about USSR were the crucial element of the psychological welfare against communism, it is only the indication that your understanding of politics is far under the satisfactory level. By the way - I am not a "cultist". I recognize the number of mistakes made under Stalin's leadership. But I am far away from giving my support to obviously anticommunist lies.