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Anti-Zionist
12th May 2010, 21:35
FORCED PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT COMPARED WITH RAPE
Forced administration of a psychiatric drug (or a so-called treatment like electroshock) is a kind of tyranny that can be compared, physically and morally, with rape. Compare sexual rape and involuntarily administration of a psychiatric drug injected intramuscularly into the buttocks, which is the part of the anatomy where the injection usually is given: In both sexual rape and involuntary administration of a psychiatric drug, force is used. In both cases, the victim's pants are pulled down. In both cases, a tube is inserted into the victim's body against her (or his) will. In the case of sexual rape, the tube is a penis. In the case of what could be called psychiatric rape, the tube is a hypodermic needle. In both cases, a fluid is injected into the victim's body against her or his will. In both cases it is in (or near) the derriere. In the case of sexual rape the fluid is semen. In the case of psychiatric rape, the fluid is Thorazine, Prolixin or some other brain-disabling drug. The fact of bodily invasion is similar in both cases if not (for reasons I'll explain) actually worse in the case of psychiatric rape. So is the sense of outrage in the mind of the victim of each type of assault. As psychiatry professor Thomas Szasz once said, "violence is violence, regardless of whether it is called psychiatric illness or psychiatric treatment." Some who are not "hospitalized" (that is, imprisoned) are forced to report to a doctor's office for injections of a long-acting neuroleptic like Prolixin every two weeks by the threat of imprisonment ("hospitalization") and forced injection of the drug if they don't comply.

As brain surgeon I. S. Cooper, M.D., said in his autobiography: "It is your brain that sees, feels, thinks, commands, responds. You are your brain. It is you. Transplanted into another carrier, another body, your brain would supply it with your memories, your thoughts, your emotions. It would still be you. The new body would be your container. It would carry you around. Your brain is you" (The Vital Probe: My Life as a Brain Surgeon, W.W.Norton & Co., 1982, p. 50-emphasis in original). The most essential and most intimate part of you is not what is between your legs but what is between your ears. An assault on a person's brain such as involuntary administration of a brain-disabling or brain-damaging "treatment" (such as a psychoactive drug or electroshock or psychosurgery) is a more intimate and morally speaking more horrible crime than sexual rape. Psychiatric rape is in moral terms a worse crime than sexual rape for another reason, also: The involuntary administration of psychiatry's biological "therapies" cause permanent impairment of brain function. In contrast, women usually are still fully sexually functional after being sexually raped. They suffer psychological harm, but so do the victims of psychiatric assault. I hope I will not be understood as belittling the trauma or wrongness of sexual rape if I point out that I have counselled sexually raped women in my law practice and that each of the half-dozen or so women I have known who have been sexually raped have gone on to have apparently normal sexual relationships, and in most cases marriages and families. In contrast, the brains of people subjected to psychiatric assault often are not as fully functional because of the physical, biological harm done by the "treatment". On a TV talk show in 1990, psychoanalyst Jeffrey Masson, Ph.D., said he hopes those responsible for such "therapies" will one day face "Nurnburg trials" (Geraldo, Nov. 30, 1990).

Anti-Zionist
12th May 2010, 21:36
What do you think about the humiliating, unethical, forceful and degrading procedures of Psychiatric 'treatment'.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
12th May 2010, 22:01
I'm not sure what this is getting at really? This comparison to rape is irrelevant and seeks only to stir emotions and the initial post seems a bit cut short, like it was seeking to come to some sort of a point but was left uncompleted?

Sometimes forced psychiatric treatment is necessary. No doubt excessive action is taken in cases where not needed; but nevertheless, this sort of thing seems to draw from anti-psychiatry propaganda by those insane scientologist quacks, and one should be cautious so as to not play into the hands of those lunatics (who should really be forced into psychiatric treatment for their problems).

That said, psychiatrists are often very quick to proscribe drugs for everything and jump to conclusions pretty quickly - depending on the individual doctor as well of course - but reviews and investigations of potential abuse of their medical authority should reasonably be taken; such is rarely done today unless later direct medical problems follow.

Dimentio
12th May 2010, 22:49
It is very much a matter of cultural context. It is seen as socially acceptable for a doctor to insert a needle into an unwilling patient, while it is not socially acceptable for anyone else to insert anything into anyone else against their will. In some cultures, it is seen as socially acceptable to insert things into others against their will - and a proof of individual superiority. It is seldom seen as acceptable to have things inserted against one's own will.

Devrim
12th May 2010, 23:01
What do you think about the humiliating, unethical, forceful and degrading procedures of Psychiatric 'treatment'.

My ex-wife works in the psychiatry clinic of a cancer hospital. Mostly she deals with people who are depressed because they, or their relatives are dying of cancer. Occasionally, she has something not quite so bad, and has to deal with women who are depressed because they are having a breast cut off.

I don't think that the people who work there are 'unethical, forceful or degrading. On the whole I think that the nurses and doctors working there are just ordinary people doing a hard job, which I personally wouldn't want to do myself.

Devrim

Anti-Zionist
12th May 2010, 23:13
Really Devrim? Not degrading? When I was sectioned, when I no danger to myself or others, they held me by force to the ground, pulled down my underwear and injected a sedating Typical Antipsychotic called Haloperidol, that's right in to my fucking arse. It was humiliating! If it ever happens to you, see how much diginity you have when you are exposed and oppressed by these savages.

Devrim
12th May 2010, 23:23
Really Devrim? Not degrading? When I was sectioned, ...

So you were sectioned while suffering from cancer, in which case I am really sorry for your troubles, or perhaps you didn't read what I said very carefully.

Devrim

counterblast
13th May 2010, 23:01
I actually don't think the comparison is a bad one.

Michel Foucault made a similar comparison in Madness and Civilization.

What I have a problem with, is that you're trivializing rape to prove your point.


In contrast, women usually are still fully sexually functional after being sexually raped.

This is a completely false claim. Sexual assault victims very frequently cannot function sexually after being raped, because things related to sex or to violence are very emotionally triggering for them.

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
14th May 2010, 19:43
Psychiatry has had a variety of problems throughout history, and it still does. I usually defend psychiatry as a rule. This is because anti-psychiatry is extremely prevalent, and fighting the stigmas against psychiatry and mental illness are more important than reforming the methodologies in psychiatry.

They both need to happen, but many people are incapable of distinguishing they two when they develop their opinion on psychiatric medicine. Psychiatry has improved a lot over the years in how it treats patients.

Furthermore, many of the unethical actions psychiatrists perform are the result of security measures. They don't have the luxury of trusting all their parents, and they sometimes have to make decisions to safeguard against dangerous possibilities. A person who just tried to commit suicide five minutes ago can't be trusted when they say things are alright and they don't need monitoring. It might be true, but the doctors have no method of determining that.

Psychiatry needs to strike a better balance between respecting the rights of patience and protecting them. However, most psychiatric methodologies are hardly equivalent to rape. Rape is generally not done with the interests of the others in mind, and it rarely (probably never) benefits the victim in any way. Psychiatric treatments are usually done with the interests of patience in mind, and they often benefit them.

Forcing a suicidal and delusional individual to take medications is hardly the equivalent of rape. Other treatments are less benign, but it's not like psychiatrists are laughing it up experimenting with how to torture patients most effectively.

Ocean Seal
16th May 2010, 00:48
There are certainly cases when psychiatrists overdo it more so in the past than now. But when someone is suicidal or homicidal they may need to take medication so that they are not a threat to themselves or anyone else. We shouldn't attack psychiatry as a whole because it helps a lot of people and if we do those people may not get help. We should focus on reforming psychiatry rather than comparing it to rape.