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RED DAVE
12th May 2010, 01:09
Poll: Americans May Be Warming Up to Socialism


Have the financial crisis and Wall Street shenanigans prompted Americans to give socialism another look?

A new survey suggests that the often-vilified political theory of shared economic responsibility isn't viewed as negatively as some might expect, and that the reviews for capitalism are decidedly mixed, considering it is the dominant economic philosophy.

In its survey of 1,004 Americans, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press asked respondents about nine political words and phrases. "Family values" came out on top, drawing positive reactions from 89 percent of respondents, while "militia" elicited the most negative answers, with just 21 percent reacting positively.

"Socialism," two decades beyond the taint left by a collapsed Soviet Union, is still a negative for most Americans but far from all, the study showed. And some segments of the public -- younger Americans and Democrats among them -- favored or opposed "socialism" and "capitalism" in equal measure.

Socialism was viewed positively by 29 percent of respondents as a whole, and found favor with 43 percent of those aged 18 to 29 and 44 percent of Democrats. By contrast, it was deemed positive by just 23 percent of respondents aged 50 to 64 and only 15 percent of Republicans.

A Gallup poll taken earlier this year, asking different questions and offering slightly different response options, found similar support for socialism.

Capitalism drew positive responses from only 52 percent of all Pew respondents, with a positive rating as low as 62 percent even from Republicans, and with 47 percent of Democrats and about half of independents reacting positively to the word.

Among 18- to 29-year-olds, capitalism was viewed positively by 43 percent -- the same as socialism -- and among Americans aged 50 to 64, the poll found 54 percent reacting positively.

This was the first time that Pew sought to gauge Americans' view of key political phrases, making it hard to determine with any precision how much the findings record a trend.

But the snapshot of public opinion they provide seems in sync with a national zeitgeist propelling the congressional creation of tougher rules and supervision for Wall Street following two years of financial upheaval.

"One would think the relatively low mark for capitalism is related to some of the problems of the last few years," said Carroll Doherty, an associate director at Pew, who added that the nonpartisan public-opinion researcher is likely to delve deeper into the issue in the future.

The poll was taken April 21-26, the same week President Barack Obama traveled to New York to tell banking executives and others that U.S. capitalism seemed to have drifted away from the role of channeling Americans' savings to businesses that need the investment. Instead, he argued, "some on Wall Street forgot that behind every dollar traded or leveraged there's a family looking to buy a house, or pay for an education, or open a business, save for retirement."

And it comes less than a month after another Pew survey found that banks and financial institutions suffer the lowest approval rating of any national institution, including Congress, and that a desire for greater regulation of major financial institutions is the only exception to Americans' distaste for increasing government power.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/pew-poll-americans-may-be-warming-up-to-socialism/19472978

RED DAVE

¿Que?
12th May 2010, 01:25
hmmm is right. It seems these sorts of polls are getting popular. Also, they all seem to conclude that more people approve of socialism than what you might expect. I think 29% is more or less consistent with the Rassmussen poll and the Gallup poll, taken earlier this year.

lulks
12th May 2010, 03:59
i don't think most of those people know what socialism really is

Rusty Shackleford
12th May 2010, 04:09
hey, this means they will have an ear for us to tell them what is it :D

Proletarian Ultra
12th May 2010, 04:27
i don't think most of those people know what socialism really is

I recommend we immediately denounce them all as social-fascists and proceed forthwith on building our internet/parents' basement-based anti-revisionist vanguard parties.

The Vegan Marxist
12th May 2010, 05:04
lol, already there: http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/ :lol:

cb9's_unity
12th May 2010, 06:14
it was deemed positive by... 15 percent of Republicans.
Excuse me, what the fuck is this

The Vegan Marxist
12th May 2010, 06:18
Excuse me, what the fuck is this

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1746002&postcount=3

cb9's_unity
12th May 2010, 06:21
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1746002&postcount=3

The 85% of republicans who viewed socialism negatively have no fucking clue what it is either.

Either they get off on hating themselves, or they've realized that if they call the democrats socialists they have to call themselves socialists as well.

x371322
12th May 2010, 15:48
I would agree that most of them do not know what real socialism is. But I must say it's still a good thing. What this really means is they're open to learning about socialism. It means they won't outright reject a candidate for running as a socialist. It means more people will run as socialists. It means the republicans are fucking idiots because their own smear campaigns helped make this happen. :laugh:

maskerade
12th May 2010, 16:01
I met an American who claims to have gone to the best private school in the country (Exeter or something), and this person likes to go on tirades about my lack of education, how great capitalism is, how competition is necessary for absolutely everything etc. Naturally, I asked this person to define socialism for me and they could not. This person also did not know that South Africa was a country, and thought they spoke Portuguese in Peru (best private school in the country:rolleyes:).

So I have to be a bit sceptical to these things - I think the support for socialism is nothing more than a disapproval of the current system, with a lot of people not really knowing what it is.

I would see this as an advantage though, because once people really get to know what socialism is, I think support for it will just grow

KurtFF8
12th May 2010, 17:27
Most Americans view the term "Socialism" as "Social Democratic government interference in the Market place"

But can you blame them? Their whole lives they are still taught Cold War propaganda against the term. The "Socialist" Parties of Europe are simply center-left at best, etc. etc.

The only real examples of Socialism today are places like Cuba, and even then, half of the "REAL Socialists" will argue that it's just as evil as Capitalism.

The whole line of "well they aren't really getting interested in real Socialism" smacks of pure elitism to me.

Rusty Shackleford
12th May 2010, 17:31
i think this is the time you start walking around major cities (3+ people per group) and handing out various forms of communist agitation. i did that, and only one person had a negative reaction right off the bat. me and my friends have actually had discussions with people because of what we were handing out.

KurtFF8
12th May 2010, 17:32
I'm pretty sure that almost every major city in the United States has quite a few Communist groups that do this already

Lacrimi de Chiciură
12th May 2010, 17:43
I'm pretty sure that almost every major city in the United States has quite a few Communist groups that do this already

Would you really recommend putting the work of agitation off to other people since communist groups are "already there"? 20 people working to build socialist consciousness amongst 3 million is no easy task. Discouraging people from getting active is the worst thing you could do.

KurtFF8
12th May 2010, 19:08
I didn't say not to do it, I was more so just questioning that as a successful tactic since it's constantly already happening in the country.

Rusty Shackleford
13th May 2010, 01:36
i could name a few cities right off the top of my head that lack any form of communist agitation. also, the CP even has a branch in one of the cities.

chegitz guevara
13th May 2010, 02:56
The CP aren't communists.

Rusty Shackleford
13th May 2010, 04:12
The CP aren't communists.
exactly.

what im saying is sure communist or communist sounding groups exist in a city, it doesnt mean that there is enough agitation going on.

Tablo
13th May 2010, 04:39
i could name a few cities right off the top of my head that lack any form of communist agitation. also, the CP even has a branch in one of the cities.
Birmingham, Alabama. We have, at most, a couple members of CPUSA, but I have not once heard so much as the mention of anything left-wing down here.. unless you count FnB.

AK
15th May 2010, 14:19
lol, already there: http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/ :lol:
You call that an army? I like how you advertise your site in the middle of the thread :p

The Vegan Marxist
15th May 2010, 14:22
You call that an army? I like how you advertise your site in the middle of the thread :p

It was a name that was going to be part of a group I was forming up here in my town, but there's not enough to do community work & to keep it going. So I'm using the name as an alternative news site to report what's not being reported in mainstream news sites.

AK
16th May 2010, 01:01
It was a name that was going to be part of a group I was forming up here in my town, but there's not enough to do community work & to keep it going. So I'm using the name as an alternative news site to report what's not being reported in mainstream news sites.
Are there actually any other reds in your town?

The Vegan Marxist
16th May 2010, 01:45
Are there actually any other reds in your town?

Yeah, surprisingly there's a good number of us, but some are thinking of their education before any of that. Where I live, around 75% of the area is working class. So there's not many pro-corporations around here.

AK
16th May 2010, 08:26
Where I live, around 75% of the area is working class.
And the other 25%...?

Rusty Shackleford
21st May 2010, 04:33
And the other 25%...?
im going to guess the other 25% would probably be petty or full blown bourgeois. or maybe 5% bourgeois and 20% lumpen?

Antifa94
21st May 2010, 05:24
For Chrissakes can we use the word Communism instead of socialism?
When I hear socialism I immediately think of the bourgeois parties in Europe and well ermm you know the bastards that hardly resisted Hitler coming to power and crushed genuine proletarian revolutions in the Weimar Republic:mad:

Rusty Shackleford
21st May 2010, 08:24
For Chrissakes can we use the word Communism instead of socialism?
When I hear socialism I immediately think of the bourgeois parties in Europe and well ermm you know the bastards that hardly resisted Hitler coming to power and crushed genuine proletarian revolutions in the Weimar Republic:mad:
Marxism and Anarchism differ in that one sees it coming gradually because of the likeliness of revolution not happening simultaneously across the globe, but still wants the pie, and the other wants the whole pie immediately and sees the possibility of simultaneous global revolution.
im sure you know this.
were fighting for the same thing, just different ways of getting there.

as for weimar germany, i have not studied it.

Zapatas Guns
21st May 2010, 09:10
I hope that statistic is true.

What I am worried about is a growing sense of right wing populist anger in America. Right wing populism doesn't usually end well. It is pretty much the basis for the tea baggers. Hell, just the other day Rand Paul was on the Rachel Maddow show and he said that segregation is a free market and the government shouldn't really interfere. "If someone wants to discriminate that is their business." WTF :mad: I guess he is really trying to get the 'Stormfront' vote.

Rusty Shackleford
21st May 2010, 09:16
I hope that statistic is true.

What I am worried about is a growing sense of right wing populist anger in America. Right wing populism doesn't usually end well. It is pretty much the basis for the tea baggers. Hell, just the other day Rand Paul was on the Rachel Maddow show and he said that segregation is a free market and the government shouldn't really interfere. "If someone wants to discriminate that is their business." WTF :mad: I guess he is really trying to get the 'Stormfront' vote.

Rand Paul (son of ol' Ron) is a reactionary capitalist. they want free trade and free competition like in the 1800s. of course they will say stuff like that, they are only looking at things in an economic matter and dont really care about moral or social issues so long as the only freedom, the freedom to exploit and associate freely, exists.

the fault in their reactionary logic is that they want no regulation, and to have a strengthened petit-bourgeoisie. why this is a flaw is that it ultimately redevelops into monopolies through competition and redevelops into finance capitalism. and then you have the regulatory reaction to it and then in 100 years you are back to where you started.

its fucking idiotic.

AK
21st May 2010, 13:47
i don't think most of those people know what socialism really is
High taxes! Deprived freedom! Bring 'em on!

Crux
21st May 2010, 14:00
For Chrissakes can we use the word Communism instead of socialism?
When I hear socialism I immediately think of the bourgeois parties in Europe and well ermm you know the bastards that hardly resisted Hitler coming to power and crushed genuine proletarian revolutions in the Weimar Republic:mad:Then you are relatively lonely. Also their preferred term was "social democrats".