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bie
9th May 2010, 20:13
65 Years ago Nazi Germany capitulated to Soviet Forces. Let this date be well remembered by the whole progressive community as the symbol of the future victories of the working people over fascism and imperialism.

Berlin, 01-02 May 1945

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Berlin, 07 May 1945

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Berlin, 08 May 1945

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Moscow, 09 May 1945

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Moscow, 24 June 1945

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Max1917
9th May 2010, 23:08
Nice pictures.However you should put the city names above each of them where is shot. ;)

Rusty Shackleford
10th May 2010, 05:10
amazing resolution! wonderful pictures. do you have a source?

bie
10th May 2010, 12:39
CP of the Russian Federation, The CPRF Сall "Communists, go ahead!"
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From: Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Monday, 10 May 2010
http://www.kprf.ru , mailto:[email protected]
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The CPRF Сall "Communists, go ahead!"

The 65th anniversary of our Victory in the Great Patriotic War is not just an outstanding date, a remarkable anniversary. This is the historic feat of the socialist state - the USSR. The feat of Soviet people educated and united by the Communist Party. The people, for whom the notion of "Soviet" has merged with the notion of "Homeland" close and dear to the peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union. The peoples, who gave the front and labor rear all their forces, their best sons and daughters. The peoples those were ready to lay down their lives for the socialist ideals and the system, which first appeared in history in October 1917. The system that gave the world unprecedented example of a just and humane state structure.

At the fiercest battles of the world the Soviet system won a complete victory over fascism, which subordinated and threw against the USSR a huge potential of almost the whole of Europe and much of Asia. The Soviet order has provided our country an unprecedented leap forward. Made it possible within a decade to overcome the same path of development, which took the leading capitalist countries a hundred years. The Soviet government placed once agrarian Russia among the world's superpowers. It gave the country both peaceful atom and nuclear defense shield, turned it into a space power.

"Never one could conquer the people, Lenin wrote, of the country, where the workers and peasants have come to know, feel and see that they are defending their Soviet power - the power of the workers..."

The war became a battle for dear life. It was not only the battle between states and opposing ideologies, but it was the decisive battle for the future of human civilization. The Communists fought the loftiest ideals of humanism, the idea of justice. Fascism sow death and destruction, carrying to humanity black mystique of racial superiority and hatred towards all who do not fit into its canons. The future of the Earth - that's the main problem that was solved at Moscow and Stalingrad, in the Orel-Kursk Bulge and at the battle for Berlin. In this great battle the Soviet Union secured not only military and economic victory, but ideological, political and moral one as well. Mankind will never forget about it.

The war became the feat of responsibility and decisiveness for the Communists. Already in the first year of the war 40% of all Communists – one million three hundred forty four thousand men - went to the front. Almost half of which passed away in the first months of heavy fighting. In the folk memory will never die the fact that during the war years in the guerrilla movement was involved about 2 million Soviet people, united in hundreds of clandestine regional, area, city and other party organizations. When the war came to Germany nothing like such resistance fascism, with its "Werewolf" could organize. The people will never forget that at the front and rear fought and worked for the victory 10 millionth army oа young communists.

The war showed an unprecedented example of selflessness and sacrifice of party members, all Soviet people. The ranks of the Communists, fighting with the enemy, steadily waxed in size and strength. If at the beginning of war every hundred fighters with the Nazis included 13 Communists, at its end their number more than doubled. The mass heroism is testified by the fact that among the 11,575 heroes of the Soviet Union 8182 were Russians, 2072 - Ukrainians, 311 - Byelorussians, 161-Tartars, 108 - Jews, 96 - Kazakhs, 91 - Georgians, 90 - Armenians, as well as hundreds of representatives of many, many peoples of the Union. Over 70% of them went into battle with the party tickets by their hearts. The friendship of Soviet peoples broke the neck of "supermen’s" racial arrogance.

The war confirmed the primacy of the Soviet system in organizational sphere. The call "Everything for the front! Everything for the victory!" became the essence of life for the Soviet people, for every communist. Behind the Volga and the Urals within the shortest time the second industrial base of the country was created. It included 2,600 evacuees, as well as thousands of new enterprises. That provided not only the compensation of the losses incurred during the fascist invasion, which had taken nearly a third of the national wealth, but also made it possible to surpass the aggressor. The Soviet Union produced tanks and assault guns, fighter planes, guns and other weapons two times more than Germany. Industrial battle between the two social systems was unequivocally won by the Soviets.

In the end, standing against more than two-thirds of Germany's armed forces, the Red Army defeated 507 German divisions and one hundred divisions of fascist allies. It made three-quarters of all Nazi losses both in humans and in military equipment.

Enormous role in war played supreme professionalism of brilliant galaxy of Soviet military leaders - generals and marshals: G.K.Zhukov, K.K.Rokossovsky, I.S.Konev, A.M.Vasilevsky, I.D.Chernyakhovsky, V.I.Chuikov and many others.

The victory was secured by the price unprecedented in the history. The immediate losses of our army given military action against imperialist Japan reached 8.7 million. Of those, more than a million officers and soldiers died for the liberation of Europe. Nearly 18 million Soviet civilians died under Nazi bombing and shelling, from starvation, in concentration camps and due to hard labor, as the result of invaders’ punitive actions.

Heroic deeds and sacrifices of the Soviet people actually showed the world's peoples, who the Communists were. They became the main force of the resistance movement as well. Garibaldi Brigades in Italy, the movement of "maquis" in France, the Army Ludowa in Poland, anti-fascist underground in Greece, Belgium, and Holland - everywhere the core of fighters against the Nazis were communists. Peoples knew it and remembered. Therefore, if in 1939 there were 61 Communist Parties in the world with four million members, by 1947 there were already 76 of them with twenty million members. And the ranks of the Communists in capitalist countries strengthened more than threefold. In many countries the army voters for the Communist Party increased manifold. Communists entered the governments of France, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland.

The prestige of the Soviet Union, its Communist Party and its leaders rose to а great height. Even such rabid enemies of communism, as Winston Churchill, stood in awe of Stalin's personality, who headed the State Committee of Defense. The victory over fascism was the peak of his life feat. The memory of Stalin will live for centuries. These include - the proud name of Stalingrad, which we believe will be restored.

The most important result of our victory was the formation of the socialist Community of nations, rallied around the Soviet Union. The reached balance of world powers enabled for more than half a century to prevent the outbreak of another world war. Any aggressor knew that his aggressive actions even in the remotest corners of the globe would meet fitting rebuff. A new era in the development of world civilization has come…

This great movement forward could be knocked down only a stab in the back: the betrayal of Gorbachev and his clique - a pack of turncoats, managed with the support of the West to bluff way into the leadership of a number of ruling communist parties. Betrayed and destroyed were the Soviet Union and the Communist Party. Betrayed and destroyed was the socialist Community of countries in Europe. And now attempts are being undertaken to betray the memory of the heroic deeds of our country and our people, who under the leadership of the Communists shielded the world from the fascist plague. The anti-communist and Russophobe mud is gushing from the screens. Leaders of the ruling regime are kowtowing to insolent anti-Russian forces abroad. Swarms of various imps intoxicated by their impunity are grimacing and mocking on the stages.

It seems that the Russian government with one hand emphasizes respect for the memory of our fathers, and with the other mercilessly destroys historical monuments of Victory. Clearly visible is the tendency of the ruling group to use the holy feast within the tactics of sordid motives to "reset" the relations with the West, as well as to further break with the great traditions of our Armed Forces.

This is an unprecedented intention to let the military units of NATO participate in the parade on May 9 in Moscow. As we know, it is this constantly growing aggressive bloc that poses the main potential threat to Russian security. The Cold War has not ended for NATO. Meanwhile the participation of Suvorov military college and Nakhimov navy college in the parade is canceled, although their students were adornment and pride of celebratory parades since 1945.

We strongly condemn the attempts of authorities to force the troops marching trough the Red Square not under the glorious battle flags, but under the operetta "standards" specially created to replace the red banners of units and formations. And as a manifestation of transcendent blasphemy is the Defense Ministry's decision immediately after the celebration of the Victory Day to liquidate the museum-cabinet of great commander, marshal G.K.Zhukov, located in the building of the Central Command.

All this is happening against quite obvious tendency of arms and equipment procurement in NATO countries and their allies. Following the British rifles, Israeli drones our "commanders" are meditating upon buying the German armor and French helicopter carriers. Russia that supplies military equipment to more than 80 countries around the world is suddenly forced to buy weapons abroad. It’s quite obvious that this is a new step towards the elimination of national defense science and industry, the dependence escalation of our army and navy from NATO.

We are confident that the achievements like the victory in the Great Patriotic War, can neither be destroyed, nor slandered, nor forgotten. With each new generation the image of Victory is being cleared of filth thrown against it. Our victory is becoming a living legend, heroic epic. It brings up the heroes and men of faith who are ready to give their strength and life for a just future for all people.

Our objectives and goals are clear and well articulated in the Party documents. Such as recently promulgated Appeal of the CC CPRF "Path of Russia - forward to socialism!" and "The CPRF Anti-Crisis Program". We will do everything to make the communists be at the forefront of the new fighters being the first to rise in the attack and to take the blow. Like our fathers and grandfathers - the winners, we say again: "Our cause is just! The Communists, go ahead! Victory will be ours!"

G.A. Zyuganov,
Chairman of the CPRF Central Committee
from: Solidnet

do you have a source?
Sure: http://fakty.interia.pl/galerie/historia/65-rocznica-zakonczenia-ii-wojny-swiatowej/zdjecie/duze,1255904,1,794

Jimmie Higgins
10th May 2010, 12:46
Wow, that captured Nazi officer even has a Hitler mustache. You'd think pragmatically he would have wanted to shave that on the POW train to Moscow.:lol:

Edit: oops, wait. I think he's a Russian officer - I was confused because they have the Nazi banners.

... and I was confused because I went to US public school where they teach us that Nazi Germany and the USSR are the same thing.

AK
10th May 2010, 12:58
Sure, it was an Anti-Fascist victory. Good job to those who shot up some fash. But why is that we are glorifying imperialist war?

bie
10th May 2010, 13:04
We are glorifying the victory of humanism over barbarism and murder.

AK
10th May 2010, 13:18
We are glorifying the victory of humanism over barbarism and murder.
For the sake of not wanting to derail the thread, I won't express my hate for the Soviet Union here.

bie
10th May 2010, 13:35
For the sake of not wanting to derail the thread, I won't express my hate for the Soviet Union here.
In order to hate sth you have to know it first. I bet that you have no idea what Soviet Union and Soviet People were. But agree - lets leave this for another day.

... and I was confused because I went to US public school where they teach us that Nazi Germany and the USSR are the same thing
They are trying to do the same now in Europe (especially in Eastern Europe), where revisionist trends in history became very influential (eg. via UE mechanisms). History is a very significant and vivid battlefield now.

Sir Comradical
10th May 2010, 13:46
Fantastic photos.

bie
10th May 2010, 15:03
http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Devrim
10th May 2010, 16:30
We are glorifying the victory of humanism over barbarism and murder.

Is this the 'humanism' of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden that we are talking about?

Devrim

bie
10th May 2010, 16:57
Is this the 'humanism' of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden that we are talking about?

Devrim
Eh, Soviet tanks were not fast enough to prevent those war crimes. Unfortunately, as correctly pointed above, fascism and imperialism were not defeated entirely - that why we are here (I suppose?).

Sir Comradical
10th May 2010, 22:28
Is this the 'humanism' of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden that we are talking about?

Devrim

Just out of curiosity, do you think it was justified for the Soviets to resist the German invasion?

FSL
10th May 2010, 23:16
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That must have been a lovely night.

Devrim
11th May 2010, 06:48
Unfortunately, as correctly pointed above, fascism and imperialism were not defeated entirely

The Soviet Union not only didn't defeat imperialism, it became one of the world's two dominant imperial powers.

Devrim

Devrim
11th May 2010, 06:51
Just out of curiosity, do you think it was justified for the Soviets to resist the German invasion?

What does the term 'the Soviets' mean? I think that the USSR was capitalist, and that capitalist societies are divided into classes. I am not really interested in justifying the actions of capitalist states. I certainly don't think that it was in the interests of the working class to go out and die for it though.

Devrim

bie
11th May 2010, 10:14
I think that the USSR was capitalist
So you think that in Soviet Union - workers sell their work as commodity on the market, expropriation of wage labor through the labor market was the basis of economics, production was carried on for private profit and private profit was the main driving force for privately owned enterprises?

I certainly don't think that it was in the interests of the working class to go out and die for it though.
You would collaborate, wouldn't you? It is pretty sad.

AK
11th May 2010, 10:38
So you think that in Soviet Union - workers sell their work as commodity on the market, expropriation of wage labor through the labor market was the basis of economics, production was carried on for private profit and private profit was the main driving force for privately owned enterprises?
His view, and the view of many others - including myself, is that the state took on the role of and replaced competing private companies.

You would collaborate, wouldn't you? It is pretty sad.
There's a difference between him being a Left Communist and him being a Nazi collaborator.

Sir Comradical
11th May 2010, 10:51
What does the term 'the Soviets' mean? I think that the USSR was capitalist, and that capitalist societies are divided into classes. I am not really interested in justifying the actions of capitalist states. I certainly don't think that it was in the interests of the working class to go out and die for it though.

Devrim

Your analyses of class, war and capitalism are well articulated no doubt, but let me put it another way, what should the working class of the USSR have done when faced with a German invasion?

(I'm not some bellicose anti-revisionist by the way.)

Dire Helix
11th May 2010, 11:22
I think that the USSR was capitalist, and that capitalist societies are divided into classes.

It is precisely because capitalist societies are divided into classes that the USSR was not capitalist. Not unless you consider the bureaucratic caste that existed in the USSR to be a full-fledged capitalist class.

AK
11th May 2010, 11:49
It is precisely because capitalist societies are divided into classes that the USSR was not capitalist. Not unless you consider the bureaucratic caste that existed in the USSR to be a full-fledged capitalist class.
I think the way we might define the bureaucratic "caste" to be akin to a class is the same way as we define the political Bourgeoisie today. The political and economical Bourgeoisie both control society and run it in the mutual interest of the pursuit of capital. The political Bourgeoisie stand to gain from this things such as taxes, bribes and profits from state-owned companies that require the capitalist system to survive. Some capital from the economical faction of the Bourgeoisie is delivered to the political ruling faction. Now, if the state owned means of production are run in a capitalist way (as was supposely the case in the USSR), then the bureaucratic political Bourgeoisie that control the state stand to gain something from production. They are in pursuit of capital - like the political Bourgeoise of today (as well as their business/economical counterparts).

But that's just my theory.

Devrim
11th May 2010, 13:56
So you think that in Soviet Union - workers sell their work as commodity on the market, expropriation of wage labor through the labor market was the basis of economics, production was carried on for private profit and private profit was the main driving force for privately owned enterprises?

Apart from the private thing yes, pretty much so. I think we have seen lots of examples of the state acting as capitalist in the West without even talking about the Soviet block to realise that it is not all about private capital.


You would collaborate, wouldn't you? It is pretty sad.

During the Second World War left communists died in the Germany camps, as well as the Soviet ones. Others, including members of our organisation agitated against both imperialist blocks.


Your analyses of class, war and capitalism are well articulated no doubt, but let me put it another way, what should the working class of the USSR have done when faced with a German invasion?

I don't think it is just a question of saying what the working class should have done. The working class had in Europe had been politically defeated. The proof of this is that twenty years after the working class stopped the First World War they went enthusiastically to the Second, under the slogans of nationalism, patriotism, defence of so-called workers' states, and anti-fascism.

Many communists at the time believed that the Second World War would result in another revolutionary wave. They were not alone. The bourgeoisie feared it to:


Robert Coulondre, French ambassador to the Third Reich, gives a striking testimony in the description of his last meeting with Hitler, just before the outbreak of the Second World War. Hitler had boasted of the advantages he had obtained from his pact with Stalin, just concluded; and he drew a grandiose vista of his future military triumph. In reply the French ambassador appealed to his ‘reason’ and spoke of the social turmoil and the revolutions that might follow a long and terrible war and engulf all belligerent governments. ‘You are thinking of yourself as a victor...’, the ambassador said, ‘but have you given thought to another possibility - that the victor might be Trotsky?’ At this Hitler jumped up (as if he ‘had been hit in the pit of the stomach’) and screamed that this possibility, the threat of Trotsky’s victory, was one more reason why France and Britain should not go to war against the Third Reich.

Obviously this didn't materialise. The imperialists were well aware of it though. When mass strikes erupted in Germany occupied Milan in 1943, the allies bombed the working class districts. It was the prime reason that Germany was occupied after its defeat.

What should communists at the time have done. I believe that they should have raised the same internationalist slogans that Lenin did in the First World War.


It is precisely because capitalist societies are divided into classes that the USSR was not capitalist. Not unless you consider the bureaucratic caste that existed in the USSR to be a full-fledged capitalist class.

The use of the term 'bureaucratic caste' probably shows the weakness of Trotsky's understanding of the Soviet Union. It was and remains a nonsense.

Devrim

AK
11th May 2010, 14:04
Apart from the private thing yes, pretty much so. I think we have seen lots of examples of the state acting as capitalist in the West without even talking about the Soviet block to realise that it is not all about private capital.



During the Second World War left communists died in the Germany camps, as well as the Soviet ones. Others, including members of our organisation agitated against both imperialist blocks.



I don't think it is just a question of saying what the working class should have done. The working class had in Europe had been politically defeated. The proof of this is that twenty years after the working class stopped the First World War they went enthusiastically to the Second, under the slogans of nationalism, patriotism, defence of so-called workers' states, and anti-fascism.

Many communists at the time believed that the Second World War would result in another revolutionary wave. They were not alone. The bourgeoisie feared it to:



Obviously this didn't materialise. The imperialists were well aware of it though. When mass strikes erupted in Germany occupied Milan in 1943, the allies bombed the working class districts. It was the prime reason that Germany was occupied after its defeat.

What should communists at the time have done. I believe that they should have raised the same internationalist slogans that Lenin did in the First World War.



The use of the term 'bureaucratic caste' probably shows the weakness of Trotsky's understanding of the Soviet Union. It was and remains a nonsense.
Devrim
This.

bie
11th May 2010, 19:19
Now, if the state owned means of production are run in a capitalist way (as was supposely the case in the USSR)
The first thing is that it was not the state that owned means production but society -that why we talk about socialized means of production. The entity called "state" never actually existed. You had range of professionals and administrative cadres that coordinate and run the socially own economy. It wasn't used for any individual or even collective (eg. state's) interest. It was used for the satisfaction of social needs. Second thing - who told you that the Soviet economy was run in a capitalist way?

Obviously there was no new bureaucracy "class" raised neither in SU not in Peoples Democracies. This fairy tale was invented to fight communism "from the left", and serves interests of imperialism. Technical and administrative cadres neither in capitalism not in socialism constitute a separate class. They are subjected to the class interests of the class that is in power - they for a professional group, a social strata not a class.


Apart from the private thing yes, pretty much so.
What makes you think that in SU workers were selling their work as commodity on the market, expropriation of wage labor through the labor market was the basis of economics, production was carried on for the profit and profit was the main driving force for privately owned enterprises? Who told you that?

Tavarisch_Mike
11th May 2010, 21:49
I want to go back to main discussion, in the former USSR (especially in Russia) the 9 may is a really big thing wich i truly understand. The second world war was a tramagic barbarie and a disaster, i agree with the analyse that it was one of the highes point of imperialism and that the Soviet Union was far frome perfect, maybe you could say that it had a middle way that it was one part state-capitalism and another part an attempt to build real socialism. However without the allieds victory fascism whould have spread more to the east and stabilized in the areas that they allready had occupied, that later on would strengthen the bourgeusies position towards the labour movement in the whole Europe (and the world?) and ofcourse the main things that fascism brings to us would be more astablished like slavery and genecides. Therefor i celebrate the victory day it was actually a progress for the working class and lead to the uprisings and strikes during the 60s-80s untill the current neoliberal era.

Tyrlop
11th May 2010, 22:02
Hey, there is allready a thread on this here in chit chat:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/victory-day-t134931/index.html

Ocean Seal
15th May 2010, 23:28
The fall of the most powerful fascist nation of all time should be celebrated. 5/9/45 marked the greatest anti-fascist, anti-racist victory of all time. Perhaps some wish that the Nazis fell to another form of communism, but a victory is a victory.