i dont get it...

[StoneFrog]

With white supremacist groups what are the their views on Asian people?
I mean the Nazi's where allied with the Japanese, many white supremacist groups also learn martial arts. Weren't the Japanese Buddhists so doesn't that also go against the whole state type religion that the nazi's had.

Also why do they believe white people are superior? I am white and i dont understand.

[danyboy27]

With white supremacist groups what are the their views on Asian people?
I mean the Nazi's where allied with the Japanese, many white supremacist groups also learn martial arts. Weren't the Japanese Buddhists so doesn't that also go against the whole state type religion that the nazi's had.

Also why do they believe white people are superior? I am white and i dont understand.
well the nazi where allied with the japanese beccause it was more convenient and their hegemony scheme didnt conflicted with the japanese hegemony project. nazi have the europe, japanese got asia, end of the story.


on another note, some nazi race theorist have supposedely tracked down the origin of the aryan race, Himmler sent an expedition to tibet to meet those aryan ancestor, supposedly.

so i guess, for a more or less refined withe supremacist, some asian groups are okay, while other are not.

and for that martial art thing, well lets just say if it work, they probably really dont care where it come from.

[Bud Struggle]

Trying to make sense of White Nationalists or Nazi "logic" isn't that can actually be done. I've been reading Stormfront of late and it's a pretty amazing place--the people there aren't stupid or dumb, as a matter of fact some of them are quite intelligent. They do a good job of stating and inderstanding issues and then--like a bolt out of the blue--they come up with solution of conclusion that is completly at odds with anything they've said before. There's something, maybe a little voice, I don't know that says, "It's the Blacks" or "it's the Jews" or whatever that has nothing to do with any sort of reality.

I'd love to say these guys are evil (well some are, of course) but mostly there's just something terribly MISSING in what they think. It's like there's a whole in their head with the part that puts everything together gone.

They are pretty hard to figure out. Good luck trying.

[Ele'ill]

With white supremacist groups what are the their views on Asian people?
I mean the Nazi's where allied with the Japanese, many white supremacist groups also learn martial arts. Weren't the Japanese Buddhists so doesn't that also go against the whole state type religion that the nazi's had.

Also why do they believe white people are superior? I am white and i dont understand.


I think that a lot of the neo-fascists recruit themselves and they're generally teenage thugs when they do this- and the ones that are a little bit intelligent eagerly take them in because it's all they can get- it's hard being a bone head in 2010- it's an unforgiving land of logic landmines and moral wolf packs. They don't believe a lot of what they come up with but sort of what Bud was saying- it satisfies the racist views they either grew up with or adopted when they themselves joined. The problems they identify in society might be dead on but their solutions are not practical and completely brutal. They use fail tactics that if used enmass would get many of them killed very quickly.

[mikelepore]

To get a better understanding where the Nazis came from, early roots went back to Helena Blavatsky and theosophy. In the 1900s the Theosophical Society popularized various kinds of mysticism, such as psychic powers, seances, alchemy, etc. One of their beliefs was that there are two roots of the human race, the superior branch, called Aryans, and the inferior branch, called Semitic. They said the Aryans were descendents of the sunken continent of Atlantis. The Theosophical Society borrowed a Hindu religious symbol, the swastika, but made a mirror image of it, bending the opposite way. The group influenced the ideology of the Thule Society in Germany, which was still more strongly anti-Semitic. A Thule Society leader named Dietrich Eckart met a young man named Adolf Hitler, and believed that the young man had potential to become a leader of the country. Eckart gave Hitler personal lessons in racist ideology and also in how to persuade crowds with certain kinds of theatrical speech-making. This was combined with exploiting the national embarrassment about the fact that German had been defeated in World War I. Hitler's message was: How could a naturally superior nationality have been defeated in a war? -- the only possible way is if the country had been betrayed by traitors internal to it, which could only have come from one possible source, a Jewish conspiracy. That movement developed into the German Worker Party, later renamed the National Socialist German Workers Party. Wealthy capitalists gave the group financial contributions because the organization said that after obtaining political power they would outlaw the trade unions and Marxists.

[StoneFrog]

wow very informative!

[Robert]

Hitler admired the Japanese for their self discipline, but believed they were, at bottom, racially inferior imitators who owed their success in the Orient to the material achievements (in science, technology, weaponry, machinery, mass production, etc.) of white Europeans and Americans.

It is true that the Japanese in the late 19th century purposefully combined western technology with eastern values, becoming consumers of western technology and then exporters of mass produced items in their own right, just as the Chinese have become in the last 20 years.

Where all that gets you, I have no idea.

[Comrade B]

Fascists often say that the Japanese aren't as bad as mainland Asians because they are more racially homogeneous

[Invincible Summer]

I remember watching some Deadliest Warrior or something on Youtube, and one of the comments was something along the lines of "Why are whites learning the clearly inferior fighting styles of the yellow races? They have no pride for their race" blah blah blah.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I remember my High School history teach also said something about the NAZIs trying to use some kind of archeological evidence to show that Japanese were really Aryans or related or something:rolleyes:.

If that was true, what did they think of Indians who are "Aryan".

But seriously, I think Bud has the right idea - it simply isn't a logical way of looking at the world and so you'll just go crazy if you try and understand their perspective logically - even the targets of who white nationalists hate have changed from time to time. Since racial categories are historically fluid and constructed by society (rather than based on any real objective evidence), most of racist "logic" and evidence is based on pseudo-science when it is based on anything at all.

[Che a chara]

I'm a race traitor and proud :D which reminds me, should Revleft not have some black smilie faces ? :cool:

[Warboy99]

Nazis thought that the Japanese were the Aryan race of Asia.

[AK]

With white supremacist groups what are the their views on Asian people?
I mean the Nazi's where allied with the Japanese, many white supremacist groups also learn martial arts. Weren't the Japanese Buddhists so doesn't that also go against the whole state type religion that the nazi's had.

Also why do they believe white people are superior? I am white and i dont understand.
Germany was also at war with the USSR - much whiter than Japan. Yet, Neo-Nazis insist that Hitler did not hate Slavs and, in fact, was supposedly trying to build a better future for them.

I guess the holocaust was just a Zionist lie. It's not like he sent Slavs to concentration camps...


Hitler admired the Japanese for their self discipline, but believed they were, at bottom, racially inferior imitators who owed their success in the Orient to the material achievements (in science, technology, weaponry, machinery, mass production, etc.) of white Europeans and Americans.
After all, a few individuals acheivements can be applied to an entire race - and the fact that those individuals were white had nothing to do with the fact that their acheivements were the result of imperialist exploitation in Africa and Asia.

[Jazzratt]

Germany was also at war with the USSR - much whiter than Japan. Yet, Neo-Nazis insist that Hitler did not hate Slavs and, in fact, was supposedly trying to build a better future for them.

I guess the holocaust was just a Zionist lie. It's not like he sent Slavs to concentration camps...

Depends on the neo-nazis you ask. Naturally the 'slavic' ones hold this sort of belief, as do a large number of the traditional ones. It doesn't take long, though, to see a few heated arguments between tweedle-dum and tweedle-prick over whether slavs should count as white. I'm fairly sure some of the thicker ones have even come to blows over it, which is uncharacteristically community spirited of them.


I'm a race traitor and proud :D which reminds me, should Revleft not have some black smilie faces ? :cool:

Nah. We use mainly yellow to show that the extremely jaundiced are people too.

[Atlee]

Trying to make sense of White Nationalists or Nazi "logic" isn't that can actually be done. I've been reading Stormfront of late and it's a pretty amazing place--the people there aren't stupid or dumb, as a matter of fact some of them are quite intelligent. They do a good job of stating and inderstanding issues and then--like a bolt out of the blue--they come up with solution of conclusion that is completly at odds with anything they've said before. There's something, maybe a little voice, I don't know that says, "It's the Blacks" or "it's the Jews" or whatever that has nothing to do with any sort of reality.

I'd love to say these guys are evil (well some are, of course) but mostly there's just something terribly MISSING in what they think. It's like there's a whole in their head with the part that puts everything together gone.

They are pretty hard to figure out. Good luck trying.

I just finished a class on Homeland Security & Terrorism and my given report to give before the class and final paper was on this sort of thing. I have to say these guys are all over the place when it comes to factional fighting, but they seem to still have a single focus.

I am working on my Masters in education for Social Sciences and might write my work on this for a Ph.D. if I can find a taker on the topic. It is interesting to see everything from one extreme to the other. But there are also dangers, Glen Beck was calling out a Social Science teacher last night in CA for speaking in public about Che and Revolution while might cost a job down the line for violating policy. One of my professors who help unionize the community college here was the contact point for the CPUSA and they let him go when they found out about his "side work" shall we say.

I've been called everything in the book and am very public. It is my own anarchy - I guess - because in the end only I need to know I stood my ground to do what needed to be done regardless of what others might say.

[StoneFrog]

I have read that Hitler called the Slavs under humans, and thought they were manipulated by the jews.

Trying to figure them out is futile, i can't find the logic in it.

[Bud Struggle]

I have read that Hitler called the Slavs under humans, and thought they were manipulated by the jews.

While I don't believe in any sort of ethnic or racial pride--I am of Polish extraction and I my say it does make me a bit warm and happy inside to know that I'm considered a sub-human by Hitler and those who love him. :) :thumbup:

[Atlee]

While I don't believe in any sort of ethnic or racial pride--I am of Polish extraction and I my say it does make me a bit warm and happy inside to know that I'm considered a sub-human by Hitler and those who love him. :) :thumbup:

Being Polish myself I don't know that it can be extracted. LOL

[Tablo]

I'm a race trator 100%. Fuck the white man and his "struggle". I want class war, not race war.

Nazis have no real argument. Pretty much all their ideological perspectives have been quite easily deconstructed and refuted. The insignificant minority that maintain the same line of thought are generally those who are brainwashed or are too stupid to think for themselves.

[Dr Mindbender]

With white supremacist groups what are the their views on Asian people?
I mean the Nazi's where allied with the Japanese, many white supremacist groups also learn martial arts. Weren't the Japanese Buddhists so doesn't that also go against the whole state type religion that the nazi's had.

Also why do they believe white people are superior? I am white and i dont understand.

I think nazi white grandeur and modern anti-black racism in general is a hangover of the slave trade. Fascist and nazi racism today is the manifestation of what still lingers. The spin they apply is that Africa is a impoverished continent, therefore blacks must be racially inferior rather than Africa is impoverished as a consequence of western brutality, manipulation and self entitlement.

Modern nazis reasons for hating japanese is because they blame them in part for Germany's defeat on the Eastern front.

Had Japanese forces assisted with the attack on Moscow, they could have won. Or so they think

:rolleyes:

[ReDSC]

From trying to pick apart various Nazi idealogues, I can tell you that the opinion varies from idiot to idiot. Some think Asians are complete equals, while other times I've seen them referenced as "racially inferior," whatever the fuck that means. I think the consensus of them though, is the whole "separate but equal" argument, or as we know it "complete and utter horse-shit."

[Obzervi]

Its quite disturbing to see how well-informed some people are here on nazi beliefs. If I didn't know better I'd say they were nazis themselves based on all the nazi rhetoric they've memorized.

[Nolan]

Its quite disturbing to see how well-informed some people are here on nazi beliefs. If I didn't know better I'd say they were nazis themselves based on all the nazi rhetoric they've memorized.

It's vital that you know your enemy.

[Obzervi]

It's vital that you know your enemy.
I know that they are idiots who are severely misinformed about biology and the fact that race is a social construct. Learning more than that is a waste of brain space.

[Che a chara]

Spouting nazism/white supremacy just gives some people something to do. It may give them a sort of self worth (sickeningly) and some status amongst their peers. It's a dangerous 'ideology' and one that must be challenged, and when it is challenged, it is easily crushed.

If it gives someone attention, then they'll be probably be intrigued by it and easily suckered in, especially if a person has feel victim to a crime by an ethnic minority. It's easier to lash out than to try and understand the cause of social ills.

[Obzervi]

Spouting nazism/white supremacy just gives some people something to do. It may give them a sort of self worth (sickeningly) and some status amongst their peers. It's a dangerous 'ideology' and one that must be challenged, and when it is challenged, it is easily crushed.


True I have wondered in the past if racism was just a way flor failures with no self-confidence to feel good about themselves by believing that no matter how much they fail, they will still be superior because of an arbitrary trait they had no control over when they were born. If anything we should pity these people and gently show them the truth, acknowledging they still have a lot of pain inside. If they fail to accept the truth after multiple attempts and stick to their hateful ways, they should be expelled from society and shamed by everyone.

[Atlee]

I know that they are idiots who are severely misinformed about biology and the fact that race is a social construct. Learning more than that is a waste of brain space.

Getting down to facts and not opinions, which is what I do as a social scientist, about 70-80,000 years ago a super volcano named Toba erupted creating a crater some 61 miles across, see Toba_catastrophe_theory on Wikipedia. This being a geological theory and looking at the Human Genome Project what we find in the exact time line is that all the people in the world are related through only about 1,250 persons who survived after the earth went into a deep freeze and most plant life went extinct.

Can this happen again? "Yes, it can." (science community) This is a well known general fact. Yellowstone is another supervolcano that is due to erupt and in the past has taken out most if not close to all life in North America. Imagine the USA with a big hole in it and death for two thousand miles in all directions and the earth in another deep freeze. Who and how will socialism survive or can people survive without socialism? The paradox awaits. Talk about it and what we can do now.

Post script: In another related gene search, Nordic people of blond hair and having blue eyes was found to be a mutation that occurred just over 10,000 years ago. What we have is something very new relative to the age of earth and man in this.

[Atlee]

Its quite disturbing to see how well-informed some people are here on nazi beliefs. If I didn't know better I'd say they were nazis themselves based on all the nazi rhetoric they've memorized.

Even Satan believes in God,
Buddhist know of Yin and Yang,
Science balances equations,
Mathematics must always have an equal,
therefore, no matter what one does to move Left nature will always give some Right to try and seek balance.