Street fighting in Nepal

[Saorsa]

Photo feature of Maitighar clash

REPUBLICA

KATHMANDU, May 9: The cadres of the Unified CPN (Maoist) and police clashed at Maitighar Mandala, Kathmandu on Sunday afternoon during the Maoists program to picket Singha Durbar, the nation´s main administration building.

The clash left at least two dozens, including journalists, policemen and demonstrators, injured.

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[theblackmask]

Why exactly would they beat up journalists? Or is that just a fabrication?

[Saorsa]

It might be - the Nepali media are notorious liars and very biased against the Maoists. Whenever the Maoists protest, the media write of 'cadre', but whenever the UML or the Congress protest it's 'locals'. Stuff like that.

That said, if some right wing journalists got beaten up by revolutionary workers and peasants... I'm not going to be shedding any tears.

[Buddha Samurai Cadre]

The revolution has comeee

Off the journalists :)

[chegitz guevara]

Hey, we've got our own journalists there too.

[Saorsa]

Yeah, journalists aren't class enemies unless they choose to be. And a bit of street fighting doesn't make a revolution. This is significant and it's worth knowing about, but let's not get too excited about violence in itself.

[Sasha]

The revolution has comeee

Off the journalists :)


dont write stupid one liner shit like that, verbal and PM warning for trolling

[Sasha]

jokes belong in chitchat, i'm cleaning up this thread, any more of this and verbal/pm warning will folow.

[pranabjyoti]

Yeah, journalists aren't class enemies unless they choose to be. And a bit of street fighting doesn't make a revolution. This is significant and it's worth knowing about, but let's not get too excited about violence in itself.
In India and perhaps most possibly in Nepal too, journalists has come from a upper class background and they are very well shaped by their owners, the newspaper groups. Therefore, I don't know more about the west, but in South Asia i.e. in countries like India and Nepal, a journalist is at least 98% class enemy. At least I myself will rejoice if the Maoist cadres made some good kicks in their ass.
In India, the "mainstream" media portraying the withdrawal of strikes as "Maoist retreat before popular resistance". As if those, who are in the "peace march" are "common people" :lol: and before them the Maoist "cadres" retreated. In no print or electronic, there were any coverage of the May day gathering in Nepal, while the call off of the strike is continuing for at least three days.
I myself is very very ......... much eager to join the Maoist cadres in teaching those "journalists" some good lessons. And I will be the happiest man in the world if I can do so.:cursing:

[The Vegan Marxist]

jokes belong in chitchat, i'm cleaning up this thread, any more of this and verbal/pm warning will folow.

Whoa ho, who's Walker Texas Ranger now :D

Anyways, the journalists have a certain responsibility, themselves, in which they understand the risks that are to be conceded, & they are very aware that if they show any kind of threat to either or then they'll get attacked. Whether it be the Maoists, the police, or the UML's. If the Maoists are attacking journalists, then why now & not before? There's got to be a reason, but of course the usual blackout of certain important details always corrodes the reports of pro-western, pro-government materials.

[Devrim]

Why exactly would they beat up journalists? Or is that just a fabrication?

I have seen journalists attacked in various countries including in the West.


In India and perhaps most possibly in Nepal too, journalists has come from a upper class background and they are very well shaped by their owners, the newspaper groups. Therefore, I don't know more about the west, but in South Asia i.e. in countries like India and Nepal, a journalist is at least 98% class enemy. At least I myself will rejoice if the Maoist cadres made some good kicks in their ass.

I don't think that in general it is specifically connected to their class background, or even to the right-wing nonsense they write. I think it is more to do with the fact that they are taking pictures, which can later be used by the police to identify people.

I can quite understand why people involved in violent illegal actions decide to attack journalists and smash cameras.

Devrim

[pranabjyoti]

I don't think that in general it is specifically connected to their class background, or even to the right-wing nonsense they write. I think it is more to do with the fact that they are taking pictures, which can later be used by the police to identify people.

I can quite understand why people involved in violent illegal actions decide to attack journalists and smash cameras.
Devrim
GOOD POINT.:ohmy:

[t.shonku]

Journalists are liars and enemy of people's revolution.We Maoists must device strategies to counter this threat,believe me journalists are a real and big threat to our cause.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Journalists are liars and enemy of people's revolution.We Maoists must device strategies to counter this threat,believe me journalists are a real and big threat to our cause.

They're also a tool to our cause too.

[Jolly Red Giant]

To be honest - it appears to be more a case of street rioting rather than street fighting. What is the strategy of the Maoists being demonstrated by this?

[t.shonku]

They're also a tool to our cause too.
What r u trying to suggest?

[Saorsa]

To be honest - it appears to be more a case of street rioting rather than street fighting.

What do you think the difference is?


What is the strategy of the Maoists being demonstrated by this?

I don't think this clash demonstrates any particular strategy. What it demonstrates is that the Nepali govt is provoking violence and attacking the peaceful Maoist movement. It also demonstrates the militancy of the Maoist cadres, and the increasingly violent situation in Nepal.

Hindu fascist gangs are attacking Maoists in the Terai plains to the south. UML sponsored vigilantes are attacking Maoists in Kathmandu, and senior UML and Congress leaders are calling on their supporters to shoot the Maoists before it's too late. Both sides are clashing with each other on a whole number of fronts and these clashes are getting increasingly violent.

[The Vegan Marxist]

What r u trying to suggest?

I'm saying that the media, in which I mean alternative media, can be used as a tool to help promote our views & spread awareness internationally. Not every journalist is a capitalist agitator.

[pranabjyoti]

I'm saying that the media, in which I mean alternative media, can be used as a tool to help promote our views & spread awareness internationally. Not every journalist is a capitalist agitator.
Journalists, in my opinion belongs to the petty-bourgeoisie class. As long as they are associated with big media, there is a high chance of them to be reactionary character. If they are independent column writer or connected to a comparatively lesser size media house, there is some chance of him/her being progressive. What I want to say is that WE SHOULDN'T PUT ALL JOURNALISTS IN THE SINGLE REACTIONARY BASKET, BUT AT THE SAME TIME SHOULDN'T HAVE BLIND FAITH ON THEM. We have to judge them personally by character.

[cyu]

Journalists, in my opinion belongs to the petty-bourgeoisie class. As long as they are associated with big media, there is a high chance of them to be reactionary character. If they are independent column writer or connected to a comparatively lesser size media house, there is some chance of him/her being progressive. What I want to say is that WE SHOULDN'T PUT ALL JOURNALISTS IN THE SINGLE REACTIONARY BASKET, BUT AT THE SAME TIME SHOULDN'T HAVE BLIND FAITH ON THEM. We have to judge them personally by character.

Yes.

Excerpt from http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=we+are+intellectual+prostitutes

There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

Excerpt from http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/03/15/over-half-your-news-is-spin/

nearly 55% of stories analysed were driven by some form of public relations... Many journalists and editors were defensive when the phone call came... Most refused to respond, others who initially granted an interview then asked for their comments to be withdrawn out of fear they’d be reprimanded, or worse, fired.

[Devrim]

I'm saying that the media, in which I mean alternative media, can be used as a tool to help promote our views & spread awareness internationally. Not every journalist is a capitalist agitator.

Photographs of demonstrators posted on left wing websites can lead to prosecutions just as easily as those on right-wing ones.


If they are independent column writer or connected to a comparatively lesser size media house, there is some chance of him/her being progressive.

'Independent column writers' do not get attacked on demonstrations. The people who do get attacked are those who are obviously journalists, basically those who have a camera. How do you know if a guy is a 'columnist', independent or not.

I think when violence starts on a demonstration it is totally legitimate for demonstrators to smash cameras, whatever the ideology or views of the photographer.

Devrim

[chegitz guevara]

Journalists are liars and enemy of people's revolution.We Maoists must device strategies to counter this threat,believe me journalists are a real and big threat to our cause.

So the Maoist journalists are liars and enemy's of the people's revolution also? Or, maybe you're talking out your ass.

[pranabjyoti]

So the Maoist journalists are liars and enemy's of the people's revolution also? Or, maybe you're talking out your ass.
Who are those Maoist journalists? If any journalist, who is attached somehow to a big media, is most probably a worst kind of class enemy.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Photographs of demonstrators posted on left wing websites can lead to prosecutions just as easily as those on right-wing ones.

Devrim

Depends on what the situation is. I don't think the Maoists are in a situation where they personally care if the military or government knows what their faces look like. And usually, when the stakes are as high as they are in Nepal, within other areas, reporters & journalists would become a certain tool in getting our voices out. If it wasn't for reporters & media outlets, we would've never known the truth, probably for the longest time, on what really went down when the U.S. backed a coup d'etat against Venezuelan President Chavez.

[pranabjyoti]

Depends on what the situation is. I don't think the Maoists are in a situation where they personally care if the military or government knows what their faces look like. And usually, when the stakes are as high as they are in Nepal, within other areas, reporters & journalists would become a certain tool in getting our voices out. If it wasn't for reporters & media outlets, we would've never known the truth, probably for the longest time, on what really went down when the U.S. backed a coup d'etat against Venezuelan President Chavez.
Do you think that the capitalist sponsored media will do that? If they don't, there is no chance of getting the truth. Actually, we have to find journalists like John Reed and mark them.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Do you think that the capitalist sponsored media will do that? If they don't, there is no chance of getting the truth. Actually, we have to find journalists like John Reed and mark them.

Well I stated earlier that I mean alternative media. Independent journalists & whatnot. Jed Brandt in Nepal is a great example.

[chegitz guevara]

The capitalist media sometimes tells the truth. If no journalist is trustworthy, then we simply cannot trust anything other than what we experience ourselves, directly, which renders us incapable of making decisions about the world. I'm a communist because of what journalists report. If I can't take their reports seriously, then I have no reason to believe that conditions in other parts of the world are bad enough to need communism.

[hardlinecommunist]

Photo feature of Maitighar clash

REPUBLICA

KATHMANDU, May 9: The cadres of the Unified CPN (Maoist) and police clashed at Maitighar Mandala, Kathmandu on Sunday afternoon during the Maoists program to picket Singha Durbar, the nation´s main administration building.

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Why were the youth cadres of the Unified CPN Maoist picking the adminstration building in the first place

[pranabjyoti]

Well I stated earlier that I mean alternative media. Independent journalists & whatnot. Jed Brandt in Nepal is a great example.
Does any Maoist cadre attacked Jed Brandt? Edgar Snow freely roamed in post revolution China and even interviewed Mao-Tse-Tung, none attacked him. John Reed was well honored in post revolution USSR. Kindly have faith on revolutionaries, I think they can differentiate between friends and enemy.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Does any Maoist cadre attacked Jed Brandt? Edgar Snow freely roamed in post revolution China and even interviewed Mao-Tse-Tung, none attacked him. John Reed was well honored in post revolution USSR. Kindly have faith on revolutionaries, I think they can differentiate between friends and enemy.

I wasn't stating that they didn't....:confused:

I was only stating that not every journalist is an evil capitalist who'll try & derail our movement. That journalists & reporters can be used as a tool to our revolution - i.e. Jed Brandt.

[pranabjyoti]

I wasn't stating that they didn't....:confused:

I was only stating that not every journalist is an evil capitalist who'll try & derail our movement. That journalists & reporters can be used as a tool to our revolution - i.e. Jed Brandt.
They are exceptions. A very very small minority. Most others are completely reactionary.

[t.shonku]

Why doesn’t the media say anything when innocent man like Lal Mohan Tudu is dragged from his home and shot in head by police in cold blood?Why doesn’t the media say anything when fingers of infants is chopped off by govt paramilitary in Chattishgarh?On the flip side when the Maoists execute a policeman who is responsible for death of innocent tribals the media gets super active and starts portraying the Maoists as evil.
The truth is that journalists are enemy of the people.And they should be tried in peoples court.

[t.shonku]

Originally posted by comrade pranabjyoti
Journalists, in my opinion belongs to the petty-bourgeoisie class. As long as they are associated with big media, there is a high chance of them to be reactionary character. If they are independent column writer or connected to a comparatively lesser size media house, there is some chance of him/her being progressive. What I want to say is that WE SHOULDN'T PUT ALL JOURNALISTS IN THE SINGLE REACTIONARY BASKET, BUT AT THE SAME TIME SHOULDN'T HAVE BLIND FAITH ON THEM. We have to judge them personally by character. http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1745102)I completely agree with comrade pranab's views.The journalists wear flashy cloathes goes out in flashy cars and work in flashy office.I hate those journalists fat cats.