Red and Black Salutations Comrades:

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

Red and Black Salutations Comrades:


I have been studying Anarchist Communism over a period of about 5 years now. Myself and other comrades have decided to from the SRAI myspace.com/communist_anarchist


I am glad to have discovered this active forum. I am located in IL. Mid West Region and looking to work on regional direct action against capitalism.So, anyone out there interesting in working together to unify the revolutionary left in this area feel free to contact me or SRAI.

Are there any RAANISTAs here? The RAAN forum has been flooded with spam and dead.

[Q]

Welcome.

RAANites aren't in high regard here, including among many anarchists, due to their sectarian and violent attacks on other leftists.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

Welcome.

RAANites aren't in high regard here, including among many anarchists, due to their sectarian and violent attacks on other leftists.

Thanks for the welcome.

I am sure it is authoritarian communists that RAAN only speaks out against. Those who think you can end monopolization by having a total state monopolization. RAAN is not a group that believes in reformation.

I don't really agree with Bolshevism. I think that the Rockefeller Standard Oil financed them as counter revolutionary to the Maknovists and followers of Kropotkin's Anarcho communist economics in the Conquest of Bread. I think if more people on the left understood that the Bolsheviks where counter revolutionary agents of American capitalists in the Grand Lodge of Rockefeller then they would turn away from authoritarian or state communism. Or the idea that the state can be used to wither away capitalism.

[Q]

Thanks for the welcome.

I am sure it is authoritarian communists that RAAN only speaks out against. Those who think you can end monopolization by having a total state monopolization. RAAN is not a group that believes in reformation.
Our main enemy is the capitalist class, not other leftists.


I don't really agree with Bolshevism. I think that the Rockefeller Standard Oil financed them as counter revolutionary to the Maknovists and followers of Kropotkin's Anarcho communist economics in the Conquest of Bread. I think if more people on the left understood that the Bolsheviks where counter revolutionary agents of American capitalists in the Grand Lodge of Rockefeller then they would turn away from authoritarian or state communism. Or the idea that the state can be used to wither away capitalism.
You've been reading a lot from Alex Jones? This kind of conspiracy crap only manages to divide the left, as the RAAN is doing.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

Our main enemy is the capitalist class, not other leftists.


You've been reading a lot from Alex Jones? This kind of conspiracy crap only manages to divide the left, as the RAAN is doing.

I don't really listen to much of what Alex Jones says. Its true thought Rockefeller loved Mao and Stalin. The Rothschild loved Stalin because his state communism would set up a centralized system like central banking.

The Bolsheviks killed the comrades in the Spanish Revolution that stood for real communism. So, how can you not admit the Bolsheviks where counter revolutionary?

[Q]

So, how can you not admit the Bolsheviks where counter revolutionary?
I for one think that the Bolsheviks were genuine revolutionaries, but the young Soviet Union knew a counter-revolution and by the time of the Spanish civil war most of those revolutionaries were already out of power, in gulags or dead.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

I for one think that the Bolsheviks were genuine revolutionaries, but the young Soviet Union knew a counter-revolution and by the time of the Spanish civil war most of those revolutionaries were already out of power, in gulags or dead.

They should of kept it Soviets small localities and communes within a big international. But seems like the Bolsheviks turned on the Menshiviks that represented true Soviet organization. The Bolsheviks tricked people into thinking giving them a centralized authority and military would make the revolution work better.

[Q]

They should of kept it Soviets small localities and communes within a big international. But seems like the Bolsheviks turned on the Menshiviks that represented true Soviet organization. The Bolsheviks tricked people into thinking giving them a centralized authority and military would make the revolution work better.

There are many complexities within the context the Bolsheviks were working with, something going way beyond the scope of this thread. Back to the original point: violent attacks against other leftist currents are plain stupidity, would you agree?

[Nolan]

I can tell having you here is going to be fun.

Yes, yes, we've heard it all before. The innocent, valiant anarchists were killed by teh evil statists. The narrative is a fucking cliche.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

Lenin believed the workers could only reach a trade union level of consciousness. So, they had to have this elite communist state over them that supposedly knew what was best for them. That is no different from the way the founding fathers treated people in the USA.

[Nolan]

Lenin believed the workers could only reach a trade union level of consciousness. So, they had to have this elite communist state over them that supposedly knew what was best for them. That is no different from the way the founding fathers treated people in the USA.

Right. I'm king George the fucking VII of England.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

I do not think attacking others on the left is a good idea, but if they are going to try something like the Bolsheviks did when society goes into civil war then I do think they would be best to be eliminated because history has shown they will eventually do that to all the non-authoritarians. I am all for solidarity, but I am against authoritarians communism. i do not see how they are any different from the capitalists or monarchy?

[Q]

I do not think attacking others on the left is a good idea, but if they are going to try something like the Bolsheviks did when society goes into civil war then I do think they would be best to be eliminated because history has shown they will eventually do that to all the non-authoritarians. I am all for solidarity, but I am against authoritarians communism. i do not see how they are any different from the capitalists or monarchy?

Get a grip already. This isn't 1917 anymore.

[Crux]

Lenin believed the workers could only reach a trade union level of consciousness. So, they had to have this elite communist state over them that supposedly knew what was best for them. That is no different from the way the founding fathers treated people in the USA.
Pray tell since you're quoting it, have you ever read What is to be done?

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

No but patterns of anarchy goes into this a lot. I like the book it has the communist anarchist as well as individualist anarchist view. Nice to challenge your own view with others to develop it better.

[revolution inaction]

Welcome.

RAANites aren't in high regard here, including among many anarchists, due to their sectarian and violent attacks on other leftists.

it's my favourite thing about them :D

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Think there's a few RAAN comrades who post here, think La Rage and cmoney are both involved in RAAN. Being British, I've never met anyone from RAAN IRL, so I don't have that much of an opinion on them either way.

BTW, my opposition to Leninists is less because of what some long-dead Leninists did in 1917, more because of the way Leninists seek to contain and manage independent working-class struggles today.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

So the Lenninist's would try to stop wild cat strikes, etc. then? How do they try to manage the independent class struggle groups? Or is it in the Lenninis't way of believing they know what is best for us?

I like RAAN we need more Anarcho Communism in USA. Especially militants that are not afraid to get shit done.

[The Grey Blur]

This guy has to be some sort of provocateur. What a cliché.

[DJ-Anarcho-Redist]

Why because I admire getting stuff done rather than theorizing?

[The Grey Blur]

http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/facepalm.jpg

[Q]

Don't spam pictures.

[AK]

Wtf is RAAN?

[Raúl Duke]

Wtf is RAAN?

A network (a loosely connected national "group") of particular group of anarchists and libertarian communists which from what I gather have an insurrectionist bent.

The only thing I disagree with RAAN's program is that they found "animal liberation" worthy enough to put that into their program.

In terms of actions they have done a few controversial things...I heard.

[this is an invasion]

This poster has been banned on the RAAN forums for posting ridiculous cop-like shit. Just wanting to let everyone know that we do not consider him a comrade.

[AK]

Lenin believed the workers could only reach a trade union level of consciousness. So, they had to have this elite communist state over them that supposedly knew what was best for them. That is no different from the way the founding fathers treated people in the USA.
Communist? State?
This is just proof you need to learn.

[Chimurenga.]

Their messageboard is hilarious. One topic supports Seize BP which was started by the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Another topic suggests reading Huey P. Newton. If they are so anti-Leninist, they sure don't act like it. This group (not suprisingly) seems to be doing nothing actively or worth mentioning.

[this is an invasion]

Their messageboard is hilarious. One topic supports Seize BP which was started by the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Another topic suggests reading Huey P. Newton. If they are so anti-Leninist, they sure don't act like it. This group (not suprisingly) seems to be doing nothing actively or worth mentioning.

Or maybe (although I doubt this has occurred to you), different individuals have different interests. I can't find the topic that supports Seize BP, but I don't really see a problem with being interested in how the Black Panthers operated. They did some cool shit for being Leninists (actually, it's fun to note that they weren't explicitly political in the beginning. They sold Mao's Red Book so they could buy more guns).

There are still plenty of people affiliated with RAAN that are quite active. The most well known would be Modesto Anarcho, but since no on affiliated is doing anything that remotely resembles front building or anything pointless like that, I'm not surprised you don't see it as worth mentioning.

[The Hong Se Sun]

Well personally I don't see it possible for a revolution to succeed if there is no national council to help coordinate the defense after the victory. I think it is very important to set up revolution defense councils and to do something about the counter-revolutionaries.

I think leftist attacking leftist is the signs of a trader, attack republicans and things of that nature, not Leninist. I mean come on really why attack people who are closest to your ideas instead of racist oppressive bigots? Go attack Nazi's

[AK]

Resurrect the thread why don't you?

[The Hong Se Sun]

Sorry, just got to it.

[this is an invasion]

Well personally I don't see it possible for a revolution to succeed if there is no national council to help coordinate the defense after the victory. I think it is very important to set up revolution defense councils and to do something about the counter-revolutionaries.

I think leftist attacking leftist is the signs of a trader, attack republicans and things of that nature, not Leninist. I mean come on really why attack people who are closest to your ideas instead of racist oppressive bigots? Go attack Nazi's

Um... our anti-leninist stance doesn't mean we aren't also anti-nazi or anti-racist...

[Q]

This has gone on long enough for an intro thread I think.

Closed.