Draw Muhammad Day

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Link (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/may-20-everybody-draw-muhammad-day.html)

I figured this would degenerate into chit-chat and pictures, but if it becomes serious feel free to move it.

Some people are proposing a day where everyone will draw a picture of Muhammad. It's a response to repeated threats by fundamentalist Muslims against people who depict their profit, something that is immoral under their religious viewpoints.

The right-wing eats up any opportunity to criticize Islam, but what should the left thing on this issue? Unnecessary discrimination? Having fun to prove a point? Something else?

I think it's funny, but I am fairly insensitive when it comes to things like that.

[¿Que?]

I believe in free speech and all, but I personally wouldn't draw one.

[Devrim]

I don't understand why people feel that they have to assert their basic human right to offend people.

Devrim

[Tyrlop]

stupid idea.

[Wanted Man]

I don't understand why people feel that they have to assert their basic human right to offend people.

Devrim

It's the grown-up equivalent of calling people "big poopie-heads".

Or, perhaps it's also a manifestation of a kind of individualism. That you can change the world and stop the evil Jihad war machine by posting mean pictures on your blog.

[NecroCommie]

As a devout atheist and anti-theist, I'm all for it. As long as it is paired with "Blaspheme Jesus-day". I really don't get how people think that christianity is any better from Islam.

[Jazzratt]

I don't understand why people feel that they have to assert their basic human right to offend people.

Devrim

The human being is an inestamable well of spite.

If you ask the people who are asserting this right the answer tends to be "HURR HURR you don't have a NOT to be offended! What do you think of that smarty pants?"

[manic expression]

This is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. Just pure idiocy.

[Sasha]

I don't understand why people feel that they have to assert their basic human right to offend people.

Devrim


because i cant thank this, QFT.

[Angry Young Man]

I don't understand why people feel that they have to assert their basic human right to offend people.

Devrim

You might be able to advance only by offending people. I'm not saying that "Doodle Mohammed to piss off Muslims hurhurhur" day is culturally evolutionary, but that's why people assert their basic human right to offend people.

[Devrim]

You might be able to advance only by offending people. I'm not saying that "Doodle Mohammed to piss off Muslims hurhurhur" day is culturally evolutionary, but that's why people assert their basic human right to offend people.

I think though that there is a huge difference between things like English 'ranters' attacking the established Church in the 17th century, and people today deliberately trying to offend a victimised minority.

Devrim

[Angry Young Man]

I acknowledged that difference. I was explaining why people express their right to offence.

[Robocommie]

This really is idiotic. Just because you have the right to do a thing, doesn't mean you should do a thing. Particularly when it requires being generally disrespectful to a disenfranchised minority just for the fuck of it.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Just to play devil's advocate. I'm practicing my drawing, but I have a lot more interesting things to work on before Muhammad. Anyway, I enjoy satirical and religious humor. I've seen a lot of Muhammad drawings when researching this issue.

A lot of them aren't well done. They aren't really funny. Some of them are kind of humorous, though.

At some level, I think someone who believes something clearly false should expect to be mocked. I don't get offended by drawings of leftists, atheists, or Canadians. I point out the inaccuracies in the drawings if any exist.

I see Christian drawings all the time. There is the Jesus drawing on the cross with "If you're Jesus and you know it clap your hands." I think that one is pretty funny. And the Pope jokes.

What's the distinction between the Christian/Muslim case, if any? People seem to equate Muslim with racism, but people from all kinds of backgrounds are Muslim. I mean, I'm hearing that Muhammad had relations with a child. The potential for a Muhammad/Pope crossover joke is hard to resist.

Now I don't go around showing people offensive things, but I like offensive stuff. South Park is offensive, for instance. I like seeing how people can cleverly put together images and ideas to make something offensive.

Omg Kanellos avatar. Woot!

[Angry Young Man]

Omg Kanellos avatar. Woot!

Yea :cool:

[Ravachol]

Some people are proposing a day where everyone will draw a picture of Muhammad. It's a response to repeated threats by fundamentalist Muslims against people who depict their profit, something that is immoral under their religious viewpoints.


Am I the only one who has noticed this hillarious slip of the tongue on a communist discussion board :rolleyes:

[the last donut of the night]

I agree with Devrim. Let's not be assholes for once, ok? They have it bad enough already.

[GracchusBabeuf]

Its interesting how "common people" in imperialist countries suddenly stand up to spread imperialist propaganda against a persecuted people. Its a reflection of how much racism is a part of capitalism. See this incident and this (http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html) ridiculousness.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

That was a pretty good slip. I'll leave it there.


Its interesting how "common people" in imperialist countries suddenly stand up to spread imperialist propaganda against a persecuted people. Its a reflection of how much racism is a part of capitalism. See this incident and this (http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html) ridiculousness.

I'm not sure about that one. I thought it was an interesting way of women using their sexuality to get power. They shouldn't have to do that, but it's a method. It's also challenging ridiculous ideas.

I also like it because there ended up being an earthquake that day, if I remember correctly. Pretty ironic.

[Comrade B]

It is freedom of speech, but it is a dick move. It is like making a cross burning day, or a racial slur day. This is racist. There is no purpose behind it other than insulting people.

[GracchusBabeuf]

I'm not sure about that one. I thought it was an interesting way of women using their sexuality to get power. They shouldn't have to do that, but it's a method. It's also challenging ridiculous ideas.No. Its more an example of bourgeois liberal feminism acting in the interests of imperialism against a so-called "enemy state".

[earth fuck]

i say fuck mohamad and jesus and all the rest. muslims arent a oppressed minority in many places around the world. where they arent a minority, the countries are often horrid places to live. just like christian places have been horrid places to live in the past. to insult ignorance and supersition is not a shameful thing. to believe in a god, to belive that to draw a picture of a "prophet" is a bad thing, welll i say fuck those people.

draw more pictures! insult god, jesus, budda and mohamad. none are worthy of our respect.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I also like it because there ended up being an earthquake that day, if I remember correctly. Pretty ironic.

Well, it would truly be frightening if there was a day there was no earthquakes! Then there would be something very wrong with the planet...

[Robocommie]

i say fuck mohamad and jesus and all the rest. muslims arent a oppressed minority in many places around the world. where they arent a minority, the countries are often horrid places to live. just like christian places have been horrid places to live in the past. to insult ignorance and supersition is not a shameful thing. to believe in a god, to belive that to draw a picture of a "prophet" is a bad thing, welll i say fuck those people.

draw more pictures! insult god, jesus, budda and mohamad. none are worthy of our respect.

i no rite

You should read more.

[Jazzratt]

i say fuck mohamad and jesus and all the rest. muslims arent a oppressed minority in many places around the world. where they arent a minority, the countries are often horrid places to live. just like christian places have been horrid places to live in the past. to insult ignorance and supersition is not a shameful thing. to believe in a god, to belive that to draw a picture of a "prophet" is a bad thing, welll i say fuck those people.

draw more pictures! insult god, jesus, budda and mohamad. none are worthy of our respect.


http://www.gavilan.edu/pio/images/BookFair.jpg

These objects are called "books". You should consider picking one up, they aren't all that scary and you might learn something.

[Robocommie]

These objects are called "books". You should consider picking one up, they aren't all that scary and you might learn something.

They look delicious.

[son of man]

I read the dictionary once - great book but they keep changing the subject.

Anyway... I don't think that this kind of incitement does anything but get people angry - it doesn't create dialogue or change the status quo.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Privileged internet a-holes bait religion that has a majority in the "developing" world.

Go home, draw Muhammad day.

I mean, if you're gonna draw some 7th Century mystic from Arabia, go for it. But most draw Muhammad pictures are gonna be of some barely-veiled anti-Semitic propaganda rejiggered to put bombs in turbans, swastikas in Qu'rans, and loads of dead bodies/veiled women. So, no thanks.

[Franz Fanonipants]

What's the distinction between the Christian/Muslim case, if any? People seem to equate Muslim with racism, but people from all kinds of backgrounds are Muslim. I mean, I'm hearing that Muhammad had relations with a child. The potential for a Muhammad/Pope crossover joke is hard to resist.

The thing with this "Islam is not a race" dodge is that the vast majority of Muslims live in historically colonized places. Whether or not you can see the connection between people in the United States/Western Europe cruelly making fun of "yonder barbarians" as an assertion of their rights is up to you.

But making fun of Muslims in the West is pretty much straight up racist.

[Robocommie]

But making fun of Muslims in the West is pretty much straight up racist.

At the very least, it makes use of the same exact power relationship that racism inhabits.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

It is freedom of speech, but it is a dick move. It is like making a cross burning day, or a racial slur day. This is racist. There is no purpose behind it other than insulting people.

So what's the difference between making a "day" and simply making fun of a religion? For instance, cross burning jokes aren't something I've seen. There are jokes about Jesus on the cross and Christians wearing electric chairs around their necks. Those seems acceptable to me. Does the "day" change things?


The thing with this "Islam is not a race" dodge is that the vast majority of Muslims live in historically colonized places. Whether or not you can see the connection between people in the United States/Western Europe cruelly making fun of "yonder barbarians" as an assertion of their rights is up to you.

But making fun of Muslims in the West is pretty much straight up racist.

All grant you that most of the jokes directed at Muslims are motivated by racism. That's why my investigations into such jokes disturb me at times. Like the Christian case, I wonder if the "day' makes things different. I can't see how making fun of a religion is racist if done on an occasional basis. A lot of the times it's satirical as well.


No. Its more an example of bourgeois liberal feminism acting in the interests of imperialism against a so-called "enemy state".

I'm not a big expert on the day. I just saw it in passing. I thought it was merely an attempt to challenge the notion that women dressing a certain way causes disasters, both socially and environmentally?

[Franz Fanonipants]

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All grant you that most of the jokes directed at Muslims are motivated by racism. That's why my investigations into such jokes disturb me at times. Like the Christian case, I wonder if the "day' makes things different. I can't see how making fun of a religion is racist if done on an occasional basis. A lot of the times it's satirical as well.

If you can't see how members of the secular, "rational" West making fun of the post-colonial Muslim majority is racist or at the very least sort of objectionable then I'm not sure you can get any objection to this whole deal.

Also, South Park is basically a libertarian mouthpiece, so basically this is people defending a couple of asshole reactionaries against the savage hordes of Islam.

[RedAnarchist]

i say fuck mohamad and jesus and all the rest. muslims arent a oppressed minority in many places around the world. where they arent a minority, the countries are often horrid places to live. just like christian places have been horrid places to live in the past. to insult ignorance and supersition is not a shameful thing. to believe in a god, to belive that to draw a picture of a "prophet" is a bad thing, welll i say fuck those people.

draw more pictures! insult god, jesus, budda and mohamad. none are worthy of our respect.

o hai Marsella.

[Tyrlop]

how would we feel if they made a draw stalin day? :crying:

[cb9's_unity]

Strange amount of compassion for the religious from a forum that has an entire thread devoted to mocking jesus.

And this is only racism if you think Muslims=Arabs and Christians=Whites. Its definitely good to be standing up to racism against Arabs, but the best way to do that shouldn't be to give respect to a religion that is just as bullshit as Christianity. Every white, black and arab person who believes in Islam, like every white, black, and arab person who believes in Christianity, has, imo, bullshit mystic beliefs that are absurd enough to be mocked.

In short, I don't have a problem with people drawing Muhammad, but I also think that jesus thread is fucking hilarious. If your with me on the latter part of that sentence, your a hypocrite to be sternly against me on the former part.

[Tablo]

I see no problem with mocking Muhammad as I see it the same way as mocking Jesus. The problem is when we see the Islamophobic, often racist, Christians promoting this shit. It is especially annoying to have these same Christians that promote drawing Muhammad being offended when I draw inappropriate images of their prophet, Jesus.

I find offending people just fine when it comes to religion, but there is a point where this shit is being promoted by one group of idiots to promote hatred against another group of idiots(Christians vs. Muslims).

I also see this stuff being promoted by many racist Europeans that are angry about Middle Eastern and Northern African immigration.

I say we can hate on the Muhammad all we want, but to be fair we should also make fun of other prophets as well since they are all bullshit(with the exception of Glorious Comrade Stalin, hallowed be his name)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I say we can hate on the Muhammad all we want, but to be fair we should also make fun of other prophets as well since they are all bullshit(with the exception of Glorious Comrade Stalin, hallowed be his name)

Yes, calling Stalin a prophet is blasphemous!

[Tablo]

Yes, calling Stalin a prophet is blasphemous!
Blasphemy! Stalin is our glorious eternal leader!!!!!!!!!!!!! We shall meet him in commie heaven and all along with Lenin and Mao!!!!!!

[Comrade B]

So what's the difference between making a "day" and simply making fun of a religion? For instance, cross burning jokes aren't something I've seen. There are jokes about Jesus on the cross and Christians wearing electric chairs around their necks. Those seems acceptable to me. Does the "day" change things?
I am sure that among racists there are plenty of cross burning jokes.
The jokes about Christianity are not as intense because it does not violate any Christian value to draw Jesus. The very act of drawing Mohamed is a grave attack on Islam. The man that drew the image you are all admiring was making a joke about terrorism, and he equated the entirety of Islam with terrorism. That is incredibly fucking insulting.

Things like this are why people ridicule the left as sectarian.

This is like if the Green Party advocated a burn the communist manifesto day. I am quite sure I know who I would not be voting for in the next year.

[TheSultan]

I think it's stupid and childish and will ultimately accomplish nothing. Seriously, does anyone honestly think a bunch of drawings alleged to be the Prophet Muhammad will change the extremists' actions in the faintest? If anything the situation can be likened to being stung by bees and then trying to hit the hive with a stick; it's counter-intuitive in every way.

[Honggweilo]

Am I the only one who has noticed this hillarious slip of the tongue on a communist discussion board :rolleyes:

i noticed it too, we all know how mainstream islam doesnt condone capital accumulations, aslong as your are not being pompous about it :rolleyes: (oh wait just like every other established clercial religious institution in the world :p)

[Das war einmal]

I'm ok with it, as far as its funny, creative and sharp. The sad thing is some (most) of these drawings is either really sad, reactionary, racist or just plain stupid. People should not pay much attention to it, Muslims should actually learn to ignore it (most luckily do and don't give a damn), but the media blows it out of proportions.

Besides that, religious fanatics in the middle east only benefit from this.

[Das war einmal]

I actually like these ones, in response to outbreak after the Kurt Westengaards drawings:

http://blogs.taz.de/wp-inst/wp-content/blogs.dir/44/files/2006/11/LEGO%20Mohammed.jpg

http://www.joshuadysart.com/journal/archives/LegoDenmarkMuh.gif

[Raúl Duke]

I haven't really paid much attention to it and I don't really care about either side of this issue, both are reactionary. Especially the drawing muhammed side, all the cartoons are just prejudiced depictions.

[Foldered]

I haven't really paid much attention to it and I don't really care about either side of this issue, both are reactionary. Especially the drawing muhammed side, all the cartoons are just prejudiced depictions.
This.

[RedStarOverChina]

It's senseless provocation. Pakistan has now banned youtube due to popular demand. Good job.

It's also very cowardly. Instead of bullying Pakistanis half a world away, why don't they draw pictures of Jesus fucking St Paul?


*I am very much against Islam but still this just bullying, plain and simple.

[brigadista]

I think though that there is a huge difference between things like English 'ranters' attacking the established Church in the 17th century, and people today deliberately trying to offend a victimised minority.

Devrim


Im agreeing with this -