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vajrakrishna
7th May 2010, 04:19
To question the benefits of a fundamental approach to the study of history, is to essentially pose a question of insight and certainty. It is not merely about a holistic view, but more about if a holistic view is even possible within history. Is it possible to encapsulate the whole of eternity into a defining moment and still remain tangibly accurate? Is the macro and micro interrelated and interchangeable? And most of all, what kind of answers does a big approach provide that are beneficial? Would it, possibly, solve the nature of the human phenomenon? Can the way history is viewed contribute towards a Utopian world?

Science, the pioneer of the empirical method, is at its core very fundamental; for millennia it searches for a total explanation for the question of why and how. History too, in order to hold any sense of credibility, must adapt a scientific process, so it is inevitable that the fundamental nature of defining truths has rubbed off on the study of history. The search for full illumination, the unveiling of a masterful design, is the core propellant in our documentation of history. The hope remains that in revealing the mystery of the human nature through a historical view, some reconciliation would be possible for the current world paradigm. The hope remains that a Utopian society can be resolved. One could almost say that all detailed closed-space studies of history are subconsciously constructed as a piece of a bigger puzzle. For science itself is a manner of viewing history, branched into separate yet connected approaches.

In fair consideration, the core criticism for a total view of history is that it would be a generalisation that would be contradicted by certain small-scale studies. Where there are so many historical contradictions and paradoxes, a full view is implausible. Yet the argument stands that for the true historian, there are no contradictions, only undiscovered patterns. That the true historian is more than a simple documenter of events, but also a sociologist. A study of cause and effect is a necessary proponent of historical documentation, so it is understandable that sociology and history work hand in hand. David Christian, for instance, is insistent that history is not merely documentation, but that it also holds a message. Weather the message is that humanity is ultimately violent or peaceful is the cause for discovery. This is perhaps the primary intent of a big approach to the study. Seeing as the past is thought to be a definition of forming who we are and where we stand today, it was unavoidable that some underlying meaning is not only sought, but also, necessary.

It is an issue of contribution to one’s identity. If the history of a town contributes towards their personal identity, it is only rationally intrinsic to formulate a historical world identity. The opposing argument has been that it is naïve to think that a positive historical identity would have any effect upon the individual, and what is worse, that history seems to present a negative human identity. So, inevitably this becomes an issue of unified vs. separatist. Collective vs. segregated. If history holds any markedly poignant message it is that differences are the primary cause of conflict. Unification has always been the resolution. This intensifies the responsibility of the historian to think in unified terms. Perhaps the aim of seeing the big picture is to cause a revolution in the ways in which history is viewed and taught.

Which leaves the question, would it help improve anything? This is the debate that has perhaps captured historians at this period in time. The conclusion of which, if it transpires, will hold immense changes. With the technological freedom of communication, the internationalist view has sprung the world with a reckoning force. Ideas of a collective human identity have become an imminent reality. A shift in paradigm has taken place following the ability of one person to speak to another across the world. As such, historians are now being affected by the paradigm-shift, and it is arguably the cause for emphasis on the big picture. It seems that a holistic view would in itself be the actual cause for improvement.

At this point, perhaps it is useful to substantiate how much a government and society is affected by history. On the power and benefit of unification. The nature of the debate calls for an embarkation into the human psyche. The efficiency of the map that historians create determines the effectiveness of the journey. Just as a bad road-map would detrimentally influence the safe passage of traffic, so too does mutant ideas of history affect the sanctity of a nation. A world-view of history is akin to seeing the forest for the trees. If one but looks, for instance, at the example provided by the period of the silk roads, where an influential interchange of commodity as well as ideas took place, it is also noticed that political fragmentation severely impacted the exchange of resources.

The first evidence to negate a Utopian view to be a naïve one is the nature of the universe itself: ever changing, expanding, and as some theorise, due to begin imploding. With ideas such as these, the implication is that societies also are ever changing: moving from disruption into unity, then, perhaps back to conflict. Ironically, history as thus far documented all too keenly reveals that this change is the only overwhelming constant. From galaxies to geological cycles to the birth and death of an organism. Even societies transferring from barbarianism into a peaceful nation, such as the Tibetans. Or the Indus Valley civilization once reputed to be rich in their innocuous wisdom now amounting to a corrupted and scavenging race in comparison to their past.

The idea of random change has infiltrated much of the sciences and modes of thought – so much as to entertain the notion of the primordial soup: the creation of life is often philosophically and scientifically indulged as an accident. This is a colossal contradiction for a life-form whose very intelligence relies on and is defined by pattern recognition. It is irrational to assume that wherefore there are patterns that dictate every other action, the very birth of this order would itself be an accident. Thankfully, with the emergence of quantum physics formed a powerful advocator of inert order within the big picture. And most of modern biology is concerned with discovering the hitherto undiscovered underlying patterns.

What remains profoundly captivating here is that history is not merely a study of economic or social change or of conquest and globalisation, but markedly a study of ideas being born and destroyed. With the industrial revolution arrived an idea now known as modernism – which lead to which, is still debatable. Perhaps it was a slow building idea that gave fruition to what we now call modernism, and the idea allowed for the discovery of machinery. The point, however, is that at the turn of the revolution occurred an expotential leap in population, the cause of which continues to baffle historians. Ecological research regarding population growth has come to conclusions that the level of population as well as species is directly proportionate to availability of habitat space. That after an equilibrium number is established, this number will remain constant irrespective of the introduction of new species or the extinction of pre-existing ones. Which leads one to ponder what form of new space was created by the industrial revolution to affect the equilibrium so sporadically.

This form of interlinking has proven itself empirically sound. It is an exchanging of ideas, of seeing the big picture. The question must be asked, what is history for? Upon what motive does one procure a detail of their past? And the obvious answer is, to provide a meaningful system of existence – to substantiate that there is most definitely an evolution and a purpose that is transpiring. In this case, it is interesting that the failure of the industrial revolution to provide a Utopia, that the birth of post-modernism, coincides with the period in time when we are finally ready to see history as a whole. Kicking and screaming perhaps, but we are at a point where we are looking at the big-bang - almost juxtaposing it with the industrial revolution, in order to see a principal truth. Besides, universal history has always been synonymous with mythology – it simply wasn’t an aspect of science, until now. Notwithstanding that the idea of world history arose alongside cosmology and evolutionary biology, perhaps it is the debate of revolution vs. evolution that has prompted us to consider the nature of a Utopia. Because after all, what are we evolving towards?

Speaking of the interrelation of the macro and the micro, the first disapproval stems along the lines of how there is far too much variation on local levels that get omitted when deriving a total outlook. The Agrean Era stands as a good example of this, but paradoxically the evidence that lead to current conclusions about that era were scattered on different globes, and it was collaborated in order to get a full picture. Besides, the core of ecology and biology demonstrates that all conflict and flourishing of species is strictly resources related. Psychology is strongly influenced by Abraham Maslow’s explanation that humans are driven by needs and are not inherently evil. Physics also agrees by procuring its second law of thermodynamics. Entropy. It is the quest for resources, the abundance or lack of them, that is the cause of equilibrium, conflict or dissemination. History also seems to have reached this conclusion. This would not have been possible to see if one did not stand back to look.

To understand that this is an issue of resources holds several layers of meaning for historians such as David Christian who contemplate the possibility of a Utopian society. The industrial revolution took place because the introduction of machinery placed the peasants in severe danger of losing their long held resources. And though historians have looked at history quite frequently through the lens of consumption and economic decisions, it would seem they were not too far off the mark. Except to say, the pessimism that has entranced several historians comes from their conclusion that there is no true abundance of resources, and that they are depleted time and time again. This, however, should not fail to provoke the historian to shift their angle onto the opposite side of how consumption is viewed and consider anew.

Though the rise of inequality is directly linked to economic differences, what is synonymous is the possibility of resolving these differences. The big picture makes it abundantly clear that we are not inherently a greedy species. As much as standing back to view a forest reveals the easiest path through it, so too do we begin to ask the right questions in historical study when interchanging the micro and the macro. The big picture in itself will not provide all the answers, as much as the localized picture, by itself, would be fragmented. One should have respect both for the details as well as the broad strokes. When the two are juxtaposed, an insightful clarity is gained.

In this case, the historian begins to ask, what sort of situations have lead to the resolving of differences? He or she begins to explore this avenue. Since he is the chooser of the lens through which he views history, this very choice is a prominent responsibility. And through discovering the several situations that resolve differences, he begins to uncover a fundamental pattern. The very discovery of this pattern will bear its effects on the identity of the society. This, it seems, is David Christian’s purpose in enthusiastically opting for the importance of world history.

Fundamental patterns are proliferate. Take phi for instance: the underlying geometry encountered frequently throughout biology and even in the construction of galaxies. DNA is another example. Agriculture arose in numerous places seemingly independently. Everything affects everything else. The environment is dynamic, and at face-value there seems to be no order, yet continuous exploration has eventually lead to a core formula. Science would have succumbed were this not the case. The final question, then, is that given the disparity between developed and undeveloped countries, how can a reconciliation be initiated?

Historians have on the most part concluded that if anything can be seen from ethno-archeology, it is that people do not always act to better adapt to their environment or to cooperate. On the other hand, a sense of abundance was created by tribes and societies of the past who made the act of sharing and gift-giving an essential part of their lifestyle. There is as much evidence that shows humanity’s compassionate awareness for the environment as there is of environmental degradation. These forms of mixed-messages make it easy to resort to resignation.

Historians have a long-standing favour for small-scale investigations because they believe the human phenomenon is only revealed in the details, so they consider vast generalizations to be unsophisticated. On afterthought, this is the truly naïve view, for their choice of scale is still biased by that which they choose to focus upon. Some facets are usually underplayed, and other aspects often overemphasised. The nature of falsification affects both small-scales and larger scales equally, and it is often the case that the errors in the conclusions become obvious when you cease to be biased towards a choice of scale. It is proven time and time again, that bias is indeed the enemy of clarity.

How one would reconcile the bias of nations with opposing interests depends entirely on the map of reality that rules humanity. It is inevitably an exploration of balance and imbalance. It is an issue of contingency. For instance, seeing as at the time of the industrial revolution, Asia also contained the technology to effect the discovery of machinery, why did they fail to do it? Much like sedentism and over-population lead to agriculture, one can logically allude that there was no necessity presented to create the situation for such a discovery. In the same context, it is the necessity now that would lead to a resolution.

Yet every positive improvement has had its detriment. Bigger populations have included more diseases. With modernity came the clearing away of peasants. The signs so far indicate a cycle of reciprocity leading to entropy. A recharging followed by a diffusion. Knowing this, it seems unfathomable that there can be co-existence without aggressive enforcement of some kind or other. But certainly, a Utopian world of abundant resources and peaceful co-existence is possible. It has eventuated many times within history, though as spectacularly short-lasting as it is glorious. In our current scenario also a sense of progress is witnessed. And when we hold the totality of history within our scope, from the creation of the universe until now, we witness nothing but abundance. And the thought occurs, if the recurring element that is necessary for peaceful co-existence is the quantity of resources, we are surely within a Utopia. Perhaps recognition is all that is necessary.

As much as the master who submits to the servant becomes autocratic, such would be the effect of the environment upon the mind. And Science, in false hypothesis, assumes and continues to experiment with such an illusiory conditioning. Drawing dangerous conclusions at that, expressing with firm and obnoxious regard that we are but slaves to our environment. Reactionary instruments. The objective approach would be the willingness to expose the nature of this oppression, or at the very least, to test the potential of the mind in manifesting its will. In this light, one derives definite principles on the spirit of man, as well as a pronounced disclosure on the character of the individual within a Utopian society. Abraham Maslow's purport on the Self-Actualised person is a remarkable example.

Self-Actualisation is synonymous with Utopia. At this point, it is important to delve to the crux of the matter - it is impossible to have a Utopia without the recognition of Spirit. Of the mystery of "peak experiences", for lack of a better term. Ultimately, Utopia is an idea, therefore this is entirely an issue of the human psyche. The abundance of resources, or the subjection to entropy, is wholly a mindstate. This is a natural course of reasoning, a substantiate hypothesis that is empirically verifiable: the mind creates the matter. If the mind is a closed-space, then your thoughts and your personal reality are subject to entropy. So, your mind has to be an open-space - exuberant, generous, inclusive and expansive. That's the difference between heaven and hell. Unity in diversity and creative abundance are the flairs of a Utopian society. This mentality needs foremost to be individually established - and this would effectually, naturally, translate into society and government. The revolution is within.

gilhyle
12th May 2010, 00:17
Self-Actualisation is synonymous with Utopia. At this point, it is important to delve to the crux of the matter - it is impossible to have a Utopia without the recognition of Spirit. Of the mystery of "peak experiences", for lack of a better term. Ultimately, Utopia is an idea, therefore this is entirely an issue of the human psyche. The abundance of resources, or the subjection to entropy, is wholly a mindstate. This is a natural course of reasoning, a substantiate hypothesis that is empirically verifiable: the mind creates the matter. If the mind is a closed-space, then your thoughts and your personal reality are subject to entropy. So, your mind has to be an open-space - exuberant, generous, inclusive and expansive. That's the difference between heaven and hell. Unity in diversity and creative abundance are the flairs of a Utopian society. This mentality needs foremost to be individually established - and this would effectually, naturally, translate into society and government. The revolution is within.

Sel actualisation is a myth which seeks to suggest that the future already exists in an identity we supposedly have which has a capacity to be realised. This is mythmaking.Mentality must be established collectively. Society translates into subjectivity.:)

vajrakrishna
12th May 2010, 08:20
Sel actualisation is a myth which seeks to suggest that the future already exists in an identity we supposedly have which has a capacity to be realised. This is mythmaking.Mentality must be established collectively. Society translates into subjectivity.:)

Where did you get this information? Mythmaking is imagining something up and spreading it around without any real philosophical or rational argument attached.

Self-Actualization is based on "peak experiences" which have been widely documented. A peak experience opens a person's horizon and outlook, it creates a sense of "unity" in the person, they do not feel alienated from the world, but far more intimate with it. Look up phenomenology and Martin Heidegger for a start, then also look into Maslow's work.

“Self Actualization is the intrinsic growth of what is already in the organism, or more accurately, of what the organism is.” – Abraham Maslow.

The characteristics he listed are the results of 20 years of study of people who had the “full use and exploitation of talents, capacities, potentialities, etc..”

Characteristics of Self Actualizing People:
Realistic
Realistically oriented, SA persons have a more efficient perception of reality, they have comfortable relations with it. This is extended to all areas of life. SA persons are unthreatened, unfrightened by the unknown. they have a superior ability to reason, to see the truth. They are logical and efficient.
Acceptance
Accept themselves, others and the natural world the way they are. Sees human nature as is, have a lack of crippling guilt or shame, enjoy themselves without regret or apology, they have no unnecessary inhibitions.
Spontaneity, Simplicity, Naturalness
Spontaneous in their inner life, thoughts and impulses, they are unhampered by convention. Their ethics is autonomous, they are individuals, and are motivated to continual growth.
Problem Centering
Focus on problems outside themselves, other centered. They have a mission in life requiring much energy, their mission is their reason for existence. They are serene, characterized by a lack of worry, and are devoted to duty.
Detachment: The Need for Privacy
Alone but not lonely, unflappable, retain dignity amid confusion and personal misfortunes, objective. They are self starters, responsible for themselves, own their behavior.
Autonomy: Independent of Culture and Environment
SA’s rely on inner self for satisfaction. Stable in the face of hard knocks, they are self contained, independent from love and respect.
Continued Freshness of Appreciation
Have a fresh rather than stereotyped appreciation of people and things. Appreciation of the basic good in life, moment to moment living is thrilling, transcending and spiritual. They live the present moment to the fullest.


This is by no means mythology, but something extremely tangible, and based on research on HOW people attained this attitude and mentality. It stands to reason that without such mentality, Utopia would simply not be possible.


As for your second point, as long as people are divided in idealism, there can never be collectivity. Sometimes they can be influenced by the presence of a "leader", but that leader's role is to also to expand the person's sense of "unity", which again leads back to a small form of Self-Actualization.

This is why socialism has never worked when applied to the real world, because it lacked the facet of inducing "peak experiences".

ckaihatsu
14th May 2010, 11:37
Your essay covers a wide variety of points and themes. Since I've been around this area of study I'm interested in addressing it.





To question the benefits of a fundamental approach to the study of history, is to essentially pose a question of insight and certainty. It is not merely about a holistic view, but more about if a holistic view is even possible within history.


If this is your thesis -- to paraphrase, "Is a holistic view possible within history?" -- then I feel equipped to render an appropriate answer here, which is "yes."

The reason for my certitude is that we can look at human and societal dynamics that are more *large-scale*, or 'macro', and *sustained* over longer periods of time, at repeating eras throughout human history -- this is congruent with your scientific approach of uncovering fundamental patterns in world history.





Is it possible to encapsulate the whole of eternity into a defining moment and still remain tangibly accurate? Is the macro and micro interrelated and interchangeable? And most of all, what kind of answers does a big approach provide that are beneficial? Would it, possibly, solve the nature of the human phenomenon?


I think it's beneficial to borrow from discoveries in the natural sciences, especially the empirical pattern of self-similarity throughout dimensions of scale. This 'fractal geometry' is a widely varying yet distinct pattern-dynamic that can be seen in the repeating-over-scales system of branching on trees, in the process of natural selection over eons of time, and so on.

Likewise, we can use *any* historian's perspective as a valid tool to point out overall patterns in the study of the population at hand, as long as we keep in mind that it will describe the overall totality only as much as a single tree branch can tell us about the whole tree or organic life in its entirety -- in other words, as in probing electrons at the quantum scale, we are inherently *self-limiting* with our willful perspective in the activity that allows us to uncover and discover.

Inductive and deductive reasoning will enable us -- similarly to the use of fractal geometry -- to generalize and make conclusions, respectively, even over a domain considered as "messy" as human relations.





Can the way history is viewed contribute towards a Utopian world?


This is the other part of your thesis here, but you don't *define* 'Utopia' until the very end of your essay:





Unity in diversity and creative abundance are the flairs of a Utopian society. This mentality needs foremost to be individually established - and this would effectually, naturally, translate into society and government. The revolution is within.


Your *political* approach here, though, is decidedly un-Marxist -- you're advocating a strictly *individualistic* path, albeit on a mass scale, to transform societal patterns that are solidly in the domain of private property practice, ownership, management of capital, government, warfare, exploitation, discrimination, public policy, and so on.

Your approach is problematic because a derived corollary of it would be that *no one* could legitimately address matters of society and government unless they had adopted a mentality of "unity in diversity and creative abundance". I would suggest that, consistently throughout human history, many populations of exploited and repressed peoples have not even had *access* to such formal, [reflection]-derived modes of consciousness to begin with. Rebellions on the ground are often in direct response to abject *material* conditions, at a more basic-needs and disparity-witnessing level, than anything else.

Would we *deny* the legitimacy or appropriateness of rebellions and revolutions that arose out of social groupings lacking a more refined collective self-awareness of purpose? I would certainly hope not. Group self-awareness itself is a more advanced and sophisticated manifestation among individuals that requires freely given decisions on the parts of many individuals, and a certain ongoing political maintenance of the social agreement. This prerequisite itself can only be enjoyed in conditions of relative material availability that includes time free of conditions of privation so as to grant time for thought, study, and discussion.

While holding in mind an end-goal of a utopia of sorts is always worthwhile -- especially considering that we should *not* be stuck with our reality in its *present* condition -- we *don't* want to be too "pre-prescribing" in the sense of detailing how many inches wide the water pipes of a future utopian civilization should be, 500 years from now. What's more pertinent to our efforts in the present day, while we keep a *general* utopian vision in mind, is to see what the current *complaints* and dissatisfactions are, based on material conditions (or lack thereof). So we *want* details in the present, in which they're procurable, and we *don't* want details for the future, for which we could only advance speculation and guesswork.

gilhyle
15th May 2010, 22:36
Yea well Ive read Maslow (a bit) and Heidegger (a lot) and because Im realistic and work out my own views, because I accept the world as it is and am concerned with the problems of this world, I dont agree with them.


there can never be collectivity.......
On the contrary, there is always collectivlity. The kind of people you refer to are merely a product of the differentiation among sociall roles.

The kind of ideas you are advocating differ only in incidentals from the Buddhist conception of the Bodisahtva. Its religious mythmaking.

The elements of the myth are that such 'self actualising people' are a) actualising some esoteric self which is already within, rather than creating that self in the act of displaying the characteristics you list and b) that such people have some sort of metaphysical importance for the rest of us (assuming just for the sake of argument that Im not one of them :cool:) over and above the significance of any role within the social division of labour and relationships.

None of this is true.

Lenina Rosenweg
23rd May 2010, 21:48
The essays are interesting and worthy of a critique. I've read it superficially but a few things come to mind.

Historical change does have patterns and perhaps cycles but I don't think this nessecarily means history is going anywhere that is predetermined or that is connected with what we regard as human needs. Capitalism and other modes of production have their own internal laws an understanding of which can be used to predict or influence within limits the direction of that society.The idea is to take conscious control of society to in effect "end history" so that humanity can wake up from the nightmare we're in.

We have to jump out of history to control it.There is nothing inevitable about Utopia.

A vision or idea of Utopia is an important part of this. A utopian vision, from the 17th century Munzerites, the Diggers, and Levellers to today can actualize utopia if the material conditions are correct. Ernst Bloch put this in Marxist terms with the "The Principle of Hope".

Vajrakrishna are you a PROUTIST by any chance?

ckaihatsu
24th May 2010, 01:18
This is a minor point, but since you referenced Maslow I thought I'd comment on that aspect here.

I've used Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in some conceptual frameworks I've developed, and he uses the term 'self-actualization' -- but in a *humanistic*, non-mystical sense.

Conceptually / graphically it's represented as the top of a pyramid, implying that more fundamental human needs must be satisfied below in order for a person to "rise" to the "level" of being self-actualized. ( The entry reads "morality, creativity, spontaneity, problem solving, lack of prejudice, acceptance of facts." My diagram is at the following link: )


G.U.T.S.U.C. The Grand Unified Theory of Society Under C_______

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I've even built on Maslow by (conceptually / graphically) positing that the development of self-actualization brings one into *political consciousness* (and agency)(of some sort), with the tip of the pyramid implicitly marking a political position on the generic left-right political spectrum.


History, Macro-Micro -- Political (Cognitive) Dissonance

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