KOE statement

[Bandito]

Greece: KOE salutes the demonstrations, condemns the police attacks, calls for even stronger mobilization against the anti-people government measures and the EU Stability Pact (5/3/2010)


The Communist Organization of Greece (KOE) salutes the combative mass demonstrations that took place yesterday afternoon and today morning all over the country against the new measures adopted by the government of PASOK. These demonstrations must become the starting point of a great uprising of all the workers and of the whole people, obliging the government to pay dearly its effort to impose the barbaric measures imposed by Brussels. Today the Greek people, demonstrating in their dozens of thousands with such an impressive and militant way, send a clear message to the government: The new anti-people measures will go, or this government will go!
The Communist Organization of Greece condemns the coward attack of the special police forces against Manolis Glezos, the 87 years old Hero of our National Resistance against the Nazi Occupation, outside the entrance of the Parliament, which resulted to his injury and hospitalization in Intensive Care Unit. Seven decades after his legendary and symbolic blow against the Nazi Occupation (*), Manolis Glezos is aggressed by the political servants of Brussels and Berlin!
The Communist Organization of Greece also condemns the unprecedented attack of the special police forces against the Parliamentary Group of SYRIZA (Coalition of Radical Left) while the MPs were coming out of the Parliament with their own banner in order to meet the demonstrators. The out of limits behavior of the police forces corresponds very well to the equally out of limits economic and social suffocation imposed on the country by the government of PASOK.
The Communist Organization of Greece denounces the provocation set up in common by the parliamentary speaker of PASOK Christos Papoutsis and by Adonis Georgiadis, MP of the extreme right-wing party LAOS, who targeted KOE and SYRIZA as responsible for the attack of demonstrators against Yiannis Panagopoulos (president of the General Confederation of Labor). This orchestrated attack against KOE and SYRIZA proves that the extreme right-wing LAOS supports the government of PASOK both in the Parliament (**) and in provocations.
It is very well known to all that KOE has a radically different political line than the one followed by the leadership of the General Confederation of Labor – especially today that the workers become the subjects of the wildest attack ever perpetrated by the ruling classes and their governments. But it is also equally very well known that KOE puts in practice this political line as the Left always did: massively and politically, in the working places and in society.
It is shameful that, the very day that PASOK and LAOS bury in the Parliament the conquests of a whole century, the same parties, these shameless representatives and puppets of Brussels, hasten to cover their huge responsibilities with such cheap tricks and provocations against KOE.
The Communist Organization of Greece calls to even bigger and more combative mobilizations. Today we gave a battle, but the struggle continues. Everyone to the streets, until the government’s measures will be cancelled and until the EU Stability Pact will be abolished!

Athens, 5 March 2010
Communist Organization of Greece


(*) On May 30, 1941, Manolis Glezos and Apostolos Santas climbed on the Acropolis and tore down the Nazi Swastika, which had been there since April 27, 1941, when the Nazi forces had entered Athens. That was the first resistance act that took place in Greece, and probably among the very first ones in Europe. Manolis Glezos passed 16 years in prisons and in exile, persecuted by the reactionary post-war regimes of Greece.
(**) The new measures were approved today in the Parliament, under a “special urgent procedure” that lasted a few hours, with the votes of the MPs of PASOK (government party) and LAOS (extreme right-wing party).

[vyborg]

Someone knows how big is KOE right now?

[Saorsa]

Small. It's a small Maoist group that works within SYRIZA. But it has some influence and appears to be an active and principled organisation.

[FSL]

KOE is right now the second biggest party in the Syriza coalition but a distant second. They have no MPs.

In a debate that's been going on in Syriza for quite a while, they support dissolving the parties involved and merging them in one. This debate could cause the breakup of the coalition when the extraordinary congress of Synaspismos, the main party, takes place, I think, next month.

[bie]

Isn't SYN/SYRIZA a member of the opportunistic European Left Party that is financed and controlled directly by the European Commision? ELP is based on the ideology of eurocommunism, also support and recognition of antidemocratic EU mechanisms..

[vyborg]

Isn't SYN/SYRIZA a member of the opportunistic European Left Party that is financed and controlled directly by the European Commision? ELP is based on the ideology of eurocommunism, also support and recognition of antidemocratic EU mechanisms..

The European Commission "finances and controls" what???

Please..this seems a comic taken from a KKE leaflet

[bie]

The European Commission "finances and controls" what???
European Comission finances and controls Europarties - and opportunistic pro UE European Left Party is subjected to this legislation - Regulation (EC) No 2004/2003 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 4 November 2003. Eg. "it must observe the founding principles of the European Union, namely the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law." - ie. must respect private property, "it must provide a list of its donors and their donations exceeding €500" - must denounce its sponsors etc. Is it comic for you?

Questions for maoists - how can you reconcile maoism with eurocommunism? :) I thought that eurocommunism is a ultra-revisionist current?

[vyborg]

European Comission finances and controls Europarties - and opportunistic pro UE European Left Party is subjected to this legislation

The only meaning of this statement is that you are against standing in election. I consider it a senseless and childish attitude...luckily in Greece this is not the problem...the problem is stalinism and reformism ruling the labour movement

[bie]

The only meaning of this statement is that you are against standing in election
How did you figure it out???:lol: Didn't you ever think that you may run in the election without being subjected to European Comission (not as Europarty) eg. Hungarian Communist Workers' Party ??

The meaning of this statement is : by subjecting to UE legislation a political party (Europarty) agrees on the recognition of undemocratic and antipeople mechanisms of power centralised in UE institutions. Imperialist UE structures gain control over organization and finances of such party - also by giving them donations. Europarties are subjected to pro-UE legislation including eg. recognition of private property as the fundamental liberty of EU (Treaty of European Union). This is one of the most obvious reasons why European Left Party as the Europarty is the opportunistic organization.

UE is an imperialist alliance of big finance and manufacturing capital, aiming in the increase the rate of plunder and exploitation of the workers and other strata in Europe and all over the world.


the problem is stalinism and reformism ruling the labour movement
"Stalinism" as by the definition of one of your collegues (I do not know if you support this definition of not if not - present your understanding of this term) - is "the support for the Comintern policy since 1926 to 1943 , I really fail to see why it is the problem for Greek workers. They have rather more significant problems now than reference to 1926-1943. :) Or - maybe you could explain why "stalinism" is the major problem for the working class in Greece now?

[Delenda Carthago]

European Comission finances and controls Europarties - and opportunistic pro UE European Left Party is subjected to this legislation - Regulation (EC) No 2004/2003 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 4 November 2003. Eg. "it must observe the founding principles of the European Union, namely the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law." - ie. must respect private property, "it must provide a list of its donors and their donations exceeding €500" - must denounce its sponsors etc. Is it comic for you?

Questions for maoists - how can you reconcile maoism with eurocommunism? :) I thought that eurocommunism is a ultra-revisionist current?

First time a maoist got elected in SYRIZA.That's how.

Is there a CP in Poland?How strong it is?

[bie]

CP of Poland is a small party. Few years ago we rejected proposals of joining ELP for the reasons stated above. Anticommunist forces do not allow us to the public debate, pretending that there is no opposition to the existing system. The social upset rises due to abuse of power and frauds of the ruling elites as well as the total failure of 20 years of counterrevoution. Many people remember well times of socialism and peoples democracy, when there was a full employment, accessible and highly developed public services, safety, welfare etc. . That is why anticommunist goverments are afraid of the workers and peoples anger. But there is also a very strong anticommunist current, directed via state and state-like institutions (like Institute of National Memory - the political police). They have also allies in Brussels and Washington.

[vyborg]

How did you figure it out???:lol: Didn't you ever think that you may run in the election without being subjected to European Comission (not as Europarty) eg. Hungarian Communist Workers' Party ??

If you participate in a bourgeois election you accept that you cannot overthrow capitalism. For now. That's the point. the HCWP, stalinist in a country where stalinism slaughtered a revolution, is irrelevant politically and numerically.



"Stalinism" as by the definition of one of your collegues ...

Stalinism in the west (I will not deal with stalinism in USSR) means a particular kind of reformism. But at the end of the day stalinist parties of the west are very similar to the socialdemocratic ones in terms of objectives and scope, even if more class-based in terms of militans and slogans.

[bie]

If you participate in a bourgeois election you accept that you cannot overthrow capitalism.
Participation in bourgeois democracy is only one of the range of tactical means of the political struggle. Of course it is not sufficient on its own. But it can be exploited in the interest of the socialist revolution. There is nothing wrong in participation in elections.

the HCWP, stalinist in a country where stalinism slaughtered a revolution, is irrelevant politically and numerically.
It was just one of the numerous examples of left parties not associated in ELP. By the way - did you mean the suppression of CIA-sponsored and directed counterrevolution in 1956?

Stalinism in the west (I will not deal with stalinism in USSR) means a particular kind of reformism. But at the end of the day stalinist parties of the west are very similar to the socialdemocratic ones in terms of objectives and scope, even if more class-based in terms of militans and slogans.
I must admit that this confuses me a little. I cannot find the connection between Stalin and reformism. The western reformism originates from the spirit of the II Internationale. As far as I know, all early Soviet authorities (Lenin and Stalin) fiercely attacked all socialdemocratic deviations (eg. in Stalins work "Principles of Leninism"). And - reformism - it is understand here as the change within the capitalist system. KKE is not the "stalinist" organisation according to this definitions.

[manic expression]

If you participate in a bourgeois election you accept that you cannot overthrow capitalism. For now. That's the point.
Was that the point made by the Bolsheviks in 1917?

[vyborg]

By the way - did you mean the suppression of CIA-sponsored and directed counterrevolution in 1956? .

The 50s are over but not for all. someone still believes in the comical idiocies of the stalinist about the glorious workers revolution in Budapest. AFter 60 years not even one documents can be produced to link the CIA to the revoiutioniary proletariat of Budapest. It is very sad that someone can seriously write something like this in 2010.
The good thing is that yestertday stalinist could mobilize tanks and aircraft to suppress a revolution. today they can only slander a revolution

[vyborg]

Was that the point made by the Bolsheviks in 1917?

It is very obvious. Lenin explained it very well. Unless you can suppress bourgeois democracy by force you must participate in it. Is it sufficiently clear?

[bie]

The 50s are over but not for all. someone still believes in the comical idiocies of the stalinist about the glorious workers revolution in Budapest. AFter 60 years not even one documents can be produced to link the CIA to the revoiutioniary proletariat of Budapest. It is very sad that someone can seriously write something like this in 2010.
The good thing is that yestertday stalinist could mobilize tanks and aircraft to suppress a revolution. today they can only slander a revolution
Really? There is a large number of evidence conforming CIA involvement in the counterrevolutionary plot in Hungary. Eg. According to Robert T. Holt (person responsible for the Radio "Free Europe") rioters receive direct instructions from Washington. The program for your "revolution" was announced in CIA controlled Radio "Free Europe" on 28.10. This program was adopted by all anticommunist groups. etc.

[manic expression]

It is very obvious. Lenin explained it very well. Unless you can suppress bourgeois democracy by force you must participate in it. Is it sufficiently clear?
The last bourgeois elections of 1917, in which the Bolsheviks took part, took place after the conquest of power by the Russian workers. But while I wouldn't necessarily agree with your larger point, I get what you're saying here, although I'd also qualify it a bit for different situations (ie the first Bolshevik boycott).

And yes, in addition to the actions of so-called "Radio Free Europe", there is documented evidence that Hungarian rioters made contact with the CIA before the re-liberation of the country later that year; aid was solicited during this time. This should be of interest:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB206/CSH_Hungarian_Revolution_Vol1.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB206/CSH_Hungarian_Revolution_Vol1.pdf)

Page 84. Cold, hard evidence that the Hungarian revolt was cooperating with the CIA.

[Bandito]

The Communist Organization of Greece condemns the IMF-EU’s government for its policy of annihilation of the society and the orgy of repression unleashed against the people. The death of the three bank employees because of fully condemnable acts provokes sorrow and anger, which are added to the wrath felt by the whole society against the government of the Quisling Papandreou.
This cynical government, assisted by the mainstream Media that remind us of the dictatorship’s TV, has the cheekiness to put the responsibility for the death of the three employees on the hundreds of thousands of demonstrators, on the mass movement and more concretely on the Left. It is Papandreou himself who is igniting the tension and the violence because of the measures adopted by his government. No matter how many excuses he will invent in the Parliament, no matter how many appeals for social consent he will make, Papandreou will remain in history as the would-be gravedigger of the Greek people.
Athens and the whole country lived the biggest demonstrations of the last 30 years, with half million marching for six hours in Athens alone. The people demands that Papandreou and those MPs who intend to vote in favor of transforming the society into a human waste bank, account for their crimes. Those who handed over the country and the people to the hyenas of the capital and of the markets, those who attempt to condemn the workers and the youth to extermination, will account to the people.
The police attacked brutally the biggest demonstrations of the last 30 years; it transformed Athens into a huge gas chamber, and also attacked brutally the marches in Thessaloniki and Patras. The Minister of Repression shall account for this!
We hold accountable as well the owner of Marfin Bank, this unsolicited “savior of the Nation” who obliged his employees to remain inside the concrete branch, despite the fact that he knew the danger was imminent. Obviously, human life is cheaper for the capital than the daily profits of a bank branch.
The coordinated effort of the government, of the right-wing opposition and of the extreme right-wing to exploit the death of the three employees in order to stop the torrent of the popular anger, will not go unanswered. The wrath and the despair that coexist in society will send to hell Papandreou and any MP who will vote in favor of the Greek people’s annihilation.

Athens, 5 May 2010

Communist Organization of Greece

http://www.international.koel.gr/

[vyborg]

Really? There is a large number of evidence conforming CIA involvement in the counterrevolutionary plot in Hungary. Eg. According to Robert T. Holt (person responsible for the Radio "Free Europe") rioters receive direct instructions from Washington. The program for your "revolution" was announced in CIA controlled Radio "Free Europe" on 28.10. This program was adopted by all anticommunist groups. etc.
Not even one document. RFE didnt play a role in Budapest. In 1956 there were not anti-communist groups there but only anti-stalinist revolutionary workers sovets. It is sufficient to read what they spoke about. Just to start i suggest uyou the following:
S. Kopacsi - In the name of the working class
Lomax - Hungarian Workers' Councils in 56

[manic expression]

Not even one document. RFE didnt play a role in Budapest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHyDtE08Gic&feature=related

3:40. Paraphrasing the eye-witness:

"Radio Free Europe was saying, hang on for 3 more weeks, we're coming, we help you! So we fight to the last bullet, the last drop of blood."

[vyborg]

RFE can say whatever it wants (now...) but they didnt play any role in 1956. The workers of Budapest rised against stalinism to impose a socialist society. Unfotunately they were crushed by russian tanks.

As for RFE, these thugs appealed to hungarian workers to stand up against russian tanks but they do not have any intention to intervene. so they were only doing a criminal gesture...go on, they say....as if they were ready to help...
they were not...

anyway in 2002 a right wing editor published every document about the revolution (The 1956 Hungarian Revolution: A History in Documents, CEU Press, 2002, (eds C. Bekes, M. Byrne, J. Rainer). It is absolutely clear that the "west" didnt play any role.

good article in english to start (http://www.marxist.com/History-old/hungary1956_86.html) the institute of the hungarian revolution is reactionary, still cannot lie to much about the role of the west.. (http://www.rev.hu/history_of_56/naviga/index.htm)

[Zanthorus]

To play devils advocate here, Stalin died in 1953, three years before the Hungarian uprising. I'm not roo familiar with the Historical line anti-revisionists adhere to but coudln't they just say that the uprising was a response to and crushed by the revisionists that took power after Stalin?

[Palingenisis]

To play devils advocate here, Stalin died in 1953, three years before the Hungarian uprising. I'm not roo familiar with the Historical line anti-revisionists adhere to but coudln't they just say that the uprising was a response to and crushed by the revisionists that took power after Stalin?

Anti-revisionist also covers a lot of ground but its a better word to use than the meaningless one of Stalinists (which is used to mean everybody claiming Lenin's legacy who isnt a Trot or a Bordigist). I think that some anti-revisionists do condemn actually the suppression of the revolt in Hungry on the grounds that it was an Imperialist action.

[Honggweilo]

Anti-revisionist also covers a lot of ground but its a better word to use than the meaningless one of Stalinists (which is used to mean everybody claiming Lenin's legacy who isnt a Trot or a Bordigist). I think that some anti-revisionists do condemn actually the suppression of the revolt in Hungry on the grounds that it was an Imperialist action.

Ludo Martens wrote an interesting piece abour 1956, just cant seem to find it online. Anyway, the euphoria some trots have about the uprising shows enourmous nativity seeing just one aspect of the story. Hungary was still drenched with anti-semitism, bourgeois ellements taking any dissent to turn it in to their own agenda and ex horty supporters. Ofcourse there we're some genuine ellements in the party that critized the major flaws of the Rakosi era and had some progressive demands in the beginning (which even the soviets aknowledged to some point). But due to the endless realpolitik shit stirring, false flag tactics of reaction, the outcome of the uprising would never have been anything but restoration of capitalism and a new reactionary NATO state. I even have a few jewish hungarian auswitz survivors in my party that have eye witness accounts of pogoms of fascists claiming to be "true revolutionaries". The composition of those genuine revolutionaries became so ever apperant after 1956.. Just look at the people upholding its legacy today and the political climate of Hungary now, the biggest upholder is the neo-fascist JOBIK party, one of the biggest fascist parties in eastern europe.

[manic expression]

RFE can say whatever it wants (now...) but they didnt play any role in 1956.
The RFE isn't who I'm referring to, I'm referring you to an eyewitness participant in the revolt who says that RFE's encouragement was embraced by the fighters. Obviously you didn't watch the portion of the video I asked you to. Please do that before posting again.


As for RFE, these thugs appealed to hungarian workers to stand up against russian tanks
Which the rioters duly did, because they thought the US was going to help them, and the rioters wanted NATO's aid. Good to see you're slowly admitting to the facts.


anyway in 2002 a right wing editor published every document about the revolution (The 1956 Hungarian Revolution: A History in Documents, CEU Press, 2002, (eds C. Bekes, M. Byrne, J. Rainer). It is absolutely clear that the "west" didnt play any role.
I already showed you an internal CIA document that showed that they did. Please read it before posting again.

[bie]

Ludo Martens wrote an interesting piece abour 1956, just cant seem to find it online.
Here is the relevant part:
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RFE didnt play a role in Budapest. In 1956 there were not anti-communist groups there but only anti-stalinist revolutionary workers sovets

RFE can say whatever it wants (now...) but they didnt play any role in 1956.
Really?
This is the exact text program send from RFE headquarters in New York to Munich on Oct 28 1956. It was called "program of 8 points". It was widely broadcast by RFE and adopted by all anticommunist groups. Here you are:

"1. Immediate and total withdrawal of Soviet troops from Hungarian territory
2. Complete and total dissolution of AVH (State Security)
3. Total amnesty for all freedom fighters that took part in the revolt
4. Exclusion from the new provisional government all people associated in one way or another with the government or the top leadership of the Party since former Nagy government
5. The majority of cabinet of new provisional government were to come from different patriotic groups on the representative basis
6. Immediate setting up a Constitution Assembly chosen in free and secret elections in order to draw up a new government charter and action program
7. Withdrawal of Hungary from the Warsaw Pact
8. Preservation of the worker councils and all local councils and peoples committees founded during the crisis and permanent communication among them until the above mentioned conditions were fulfilled"
from: Holt Robert T, Radio Free Europe, Minneapolis, 1959, p.191

Interestingly - this is another evidence that the antistalinism is the smokescreen for smuggling lies about the history of the People's Democracies by imperialists agents..

[Honggweilo]

Here is the relevant part:Haha you have "The velvet counter-revolution" in english :p? awesome


8. Preservation of the worker councils and all local councils and peoples committees founded during the crisis and permanent communication among them until the above mentioned conditions were fulfilled" This line is especially interesting in how RFE tries envoke left-anticommunism in its usual false flag/realpolitik agenda, totally inline with Operation Gladio. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio)

An example of this psuedo-leftist rethoric. Where are the Workers council's Solidarnosc promissed in Poland today? oh.. thats right :p

[Max1917]

Here is the relevant part:
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Thank's for this comrade.;)

[vyborg]

these documents are as good as the sacra sindone.
You can rewrite the history but the situation is very clear as anything written before and after the demise of stalinism suggest.

I already gave many examples (Lomax, Kopacsi, the website of the hungarian revolution) I suggest a new one the UNO report writtein in 1957.

Workers of Budapest were revolutionary and antistalinist. their programme was the same of the blsheviks of 1917

[manic expression]

these documents are as good as the sacra sindone.
You can rewrite the history but the situation is very clear as anything written before and after the demise of stalinism suggest.

I already gave many examples (Lomax, Kopacsi, the website of the hungarian revolution) I suggest a new one the UNO report writtein in 1957.

Workers of Budapest were revolutionary and antistalinist. their programme was the same of the blsheviks of 1917
So I take it you're not going to read the internal CIA file that documented active contact made between the CIA and the Hungarian revolt? You're not going to believe the eye-witness participant in the revolt who said RFE was instrumental in bolstering anti-Soviet resistance?

Your position, it seems, is based on mere faith. This puts me in a difficult position, however, as I try not to insult religious beliefs.

[Honggweilo]

So I take it you're not going to read the internal CIA file that documented active contact made between the CIA and the Hungarian revolt? You're not going to believe the eye-witness participant in the revolt who said RFE was instrumental in bolstering anti-Soviet resistance?

Your position, it seems, is based on mere faith. This puts me in a difficult position, however, as I try not to insult religious beliefs.
The faith of some people about the purely "progressive nature" of the hungarian revolt runs towards the same mystic heights as the semi religieous nationalism of some hungarians today.

[bie]

Workers of Budapest were revolutionary and antistalinist. their programme was the same of the blsheviks of 1917
Sorry, but this EXTREMELY naive. You fail to understand the dynamics of counterrevolution within socialist system. Have a look a eg. "Solidarity" , it is the best example. If you look at their program - "socialism yes - distortions no!" it may seem "revolutionary" at the first glance. Of course if you don't know that their leaders obtained funds and orders from CIA , ALF-CIO (13 mln USD) and Vatican. Also - if you don't know that the first thing what "Solidarity" government did was to dissolve workers councils in 1991, destroy national industry ("privatization"), impose Manchester-type capitalism entirely subjected to IMF/Brussels/Washington, where suddenly 12% of people found themselves living in extreme poverty. Of course it was made also under "leftist" slogans - especially fight with "stalinism". Ultraleftists, antistalinist oportunists and nationalists allied under the sign of "democratic opposition" and while in charge since 1989 - sold the country to the foreign imperialist powers and destroyed all gains of the working class. Maybe it is time to wake up?

[A.J.]

If you participate in a bourgeois election you accept that you cannot overthrow capitalism. For now. That's the point. the HCWP, stalinist in a country where stalinism slaughtered a revolution, is irrelevant politically and numerically.



Stalinism in the west (I will not deal with stalinism in USSR) means a particular kind of reformism. But at the end of the day stalinist parties of the west are very similar to the socialdemocratic ones in terms of objectives and scope, even if more class-based in terms of militans and slogans.

This is what's called the pot calling the kettle black, given that all trotkyite organisations, past and present, have eventually exposed themselves as social-democratic.