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RotStern
6th May 2010, 22:20
Great news from our South African comrades!
Finally the SACP stands against the sell-out ANC.


Our message to the workers of South Africa during workers' month

Throughout April, together with our allies, the SACP waged a campaign to intensify the struggle against corruption. We launched the 34-days of intensified struggle on the 29th March at a highly successful seminar on corruption in Braamfontein. Through April month, and in honour of our fallen hero, cde Chris Hani, we carried forward the campaign in communities and in work-places. On Friday 30th April there was a massive SACP-led march in Durban against corruption led by our general secretary Cde Blade Nzimande, and COSATU general secretary, Cde Zwelinzima Vavi.

And on the following day, May Day 2010, as SACP speakers, together with our comrades from COSATU and the ANC, we used the occasion of Workers' Day countrywide to conclude this first phase of what must now be an ongoing and intensified struggle against the scourge of corruption. But why has the SACP chosen the theme of an intensified struggle against corruption? Are there not other important issues confronting the working class in SA at this time? Yes, there are many challenges, but unless we defeat the scourge of corruption everything else will be lost.
The struggle against corruption is a moral struggle, but it is not just a moral struggle. It is part and parcel of the struggle of the working class and popular forces against those who are compromising, weakening, undermining and literally selling out our National Democratic Revolution. To understand why we say this, it is important to step back a little and think about the present SA reality.
16 years of democracy and yet our people still live in poverty

On Tuesday this past week, we celebrated 16 years of democracy in SA. In those 16 years, together, we have achieved many things. And yet the workers and poor of SA continue to suffer with poverty wages, unemployment, land hunger, poor health-care facilities and generally poor education and training opportunities.
Over the past 16 years we have achieved many things - but:
When we started out in 1994 the unemployment rate (narrowly defined) was at crisis levels of 24%. By the middle of 2008, just before the global capitalist crisis hit SA, and after 15 years of economic growth, where was the unemployment rate (narrowly defined)? It was more or less EXACTLY where it had been when we started out - 24%!! (Since the recession, and the loss of nearly 1 million jobs last year, this unemployment crisis has worsened) When we started out in 1994, after centuries of racial oppression, we were one of the most unequal societies in the world.
And now, after 16 years of "service delivery" to our people, where are we?

Shockingly, our income inequality (measured by the so-called GINI coefficient) tells us that we remain as unequal as ever. We are one of the worst in the world. And this inequality remains highly racialised. When we started out in 1994, in our RDP document we estimated that the housing shortage was 3 million. Incredibly, over the last 16 years we have actually built more than 3 million low cost houses. So what is the housing shortage now? According to the Department of Human Settlements the housing backlog is somewhere between 2 and 3 million houses!!
Why do we seem to be going around in a circle?
Why, when we have done so many things over the last 16 years, do we seem to be arriving back in the same place? The DA and other opposition parties tell us that we cannot go on blaming apartheid. And, in a way, the SACP agrees with them - (but only to disagree with them radically, of course, in the end). Yes, it is true that we cannot go on blaming apartheid… it is CAPITALISM that we must blame.
After all, we have dismantled the apartheid system, we have abolished apartheid laws and the apartheid constitution. But beneath apartheid there was always a system supporting and shaping it… and that system was a capitalist system.
And before apartheid, during the period of segregationism of Jan Smuts there was a system that rolled on and on, shaping the destiny of our country and its people… and that system was a capitalist system.

And before segregationism, during the period of colonial conquest and dispossession there was a system that sent armies to our shores, that laid down railway lines and built colonial ports, that coerced millions of peasants into migrant labour. It was a system that underpinned the formation of SA itself back in 1910, now almost exactly 100 years ago… and that system was a capitalist system. We have abolished apartheid, Smuts has come and gone, the era of imperial conquest and settlement of our country lies in the past… but what continues to roll on is the same oppressive system of capitalism.

And here, we are not talking about capitalism in general, but the particularly virulent brand of semi-colonial capitalism that has been imposed on SA over the last one hundred years. It is a brand of capitalism that persists to this day.
If we are to understand why, after 16 years of democracy and a huge amount of "service delivery" to our people, we are still going around in a circle - then it is absolutely essential that we understand the nature of this South African capitalist growth path. We need to understand it, in order collectively to uproot it and destroy it, and place our country on a new developmental path.

South Africa's semi-colonial capitalist growth path

In order to understand the main features of the capitalist growth path that have been in place over the last 100 years, it is necessary to first remember how capitalism came to SA. It did not emerge organically. It was imposed, brand-new, out of the box, imported from the most advanced capitalist countries of the late 19th century. It was the mining revolution in the late 19th century shipped in from outside that marked the beginnings of SA's capitalist revolution. Ever since, our economy has been dominated by these realities that shaped our society: Still today, SA is over-dependent on EXPORTING unprocessed, primary commodities, like minerals. Still today, SA is over-dependent on IMPORTING manufactured goods, machinery and technology and luxury goods.
Still today, our economy is dominated by a web of powerful mining and financial corporations. Still today, there is a very high level of monopoly concentration in our economy - the many scandals around price-fixing of bread or steel, for instance, uncovered by the Competition Commission, are an indication of this. Linked to all of the above - our small- and medium-scale industries are very poorly developed and our manufacturing sector is weak (and it has become even weaker over the last ten years as many parts of our country have been de-industrialised). Yet, these are the sectors that are generally most labour-intensive. Still today, as at the beginning of capitalism in SA, we have a very divided labour market.
On the one hand, a small stratum of skilled artisans and technicians - formerly almost all exclusively white. And, on the other hand, a mass of unskilled and semi-skilled labourers. Originally the majority of these workers were migrant workers to the mines. But with the development of capitalism, there arose a more settled, urbanised black working class - but this didn't change the highly divided labour market; We continue to have a divided working class because our education and training system still reproduces a tiny minority of skilled persons, and a mass of under-skilled and often unemployable people. We have a divided working class because the mass of workers and poor continue to be marginalised in bleak and faraway dormitory townships.
Even our 3 million RDP houses have reproduced this kind of apartheid space - Group Areas live on in reality, if not in law. Now they are reproduced by the capitalist property market. Combined together, these key features of SA's capitalist growth path lie at the heart of the explanation to the question: Why, 16 years into democracy, do we seem to be going around in a circle?

We have to place SA onto a different growth path. This is exactly what President Zuma said in his State of Nation Address to Parliament this year. This is exactly was cde Pravin Gordhan said in his budget speech this year. This is exactly what government had in mind when it unveiled our new Industrial Policy Action Programme this year. IPAP is a critical component of changing our present semi-colonial capitalist growth path. The same applies to all of our other strategic priorities - job creation, rural development, health-care including an NHI, education and training, breaking out of the dormitory township mould and building mixed-income communities, fighting crime and corruption - these are not disconnected challenges - they are all interconnected and integral to putting our society onto a different developmental path.
But why did we not begin to do this a lot sooner? The subjective factor - the 1996 class project

So far, we have been looking at the OBJECTIVE reality that we are confronting - this semi-colonial capitalist system that goes on reproducing poverty, unemployment and inequality. But to explain why we have not seriously transformed this objective reality, it is also important to look at ourselves, the SUBJECTIVE reality - in other words, we need to look at what has been happening within our own movement - the ANC-led alliance. Over the last ten years, after a difficult and protracted ideological and organisational struggle within our movement - the SACP, together with a wide range of Alliance forces, from the branch level up, succeeded in defeating the domination within the ANC and government of an anti-left, reformist current - what we called "the 1996 class project".

In the media, and among our opponents, our struggle against this tendency has often been portrayed as a narrow sectarian battle between personalities and factions simply to seize control over the ANC. It is important to keep reminding ourselves that this was NEVER what OUR struggle against the "1996 class project" was about. We said it was a struggle against REFORMISM, and for a very precise reason. From the mid-1990s, the ANC came to be dominated by a tendency that was unable and unwilling to recognise that advancing and defending the NDR after 1994 required an intensified struggle to radically transform (and not merely reform) the semi-colonial features of SA's century-long capitalist growth path.

Instead, they believed that market-led growth (i.e. in practice, the perpetuation of the same semi-colonial growth path), but now under the co-direction of a new black capitalist and political class stratum, was the key strategic objective of the post-1994 NDR. "Go out and get filthy rich!" they told ANC leadership cadres.
But this "1996 class project" had a whole series of internal contradictions. One of these contradictions was the tension between: the requirements for restoring capitalist accumulation back to its traditional growth path after a decade of deepening crisis in the last years of apartheid, on the one hand; and the primitive accumulation process required for establishing a new stratum of black capitalists ("capitalists without capital"), on the other.
The first objective required that the new political stratum use state power to create an investor friendly environment, to facilitate conditions for major South African corporations to expand regionally and internationally, to take a tough line on the budget deficit (i.e. reduce the tax "burden" on the bourgeoisie), and to address bottle-necks that had built up during the last 15 years of apartheid rule. It also required the stabilisation of bourgeois "rule of a law", the guarantee of property rights, and "sound" political management of the state (i.e "sound" as assessed by the international ratings agencies and transnational auditing firms).

The second process was faced with the dilemma of how a stratum of aspirant capitalists was to acquire capital. Two inter-linked strategies have been used to spur the creation of BEE capital: Using legislation and other means, the existing bourgeoisie has been required to reserve a slice of the action for BEE entrepreneurs. In essence, this has been a marriage of convenience between elements of the new political caste in the state and established capital. In exchange for the lobola of "market friendly" state policies, established capital grudgingly agreed to release a percentage of ownership stakes to the new elite.

We know, of course, that this kind of narrow BEE empowerment has been full of weaknesses. Targets are seldom met. Not all of the hungry capitalists without capital can be accommodated in the board-room. BEE capitalists were often given highly marginal operations (like many of the BEE mines - see the recent Aurora scandal). Much of BEE capital is also highly indebted capital. It is often shares on loan requiring re-payment over a five-year period, for instance, and subject to the fluctuations of the stock market. BEE capital is, therefore, also typically not productive capital - but rather capital taken out of productive circulation - and therefore out of job-creating investment.
Moreover, this BEE capitalist stratum often does not, and cannot, play the full role of a capitalist class. Its ownership role is often nominal (it fronts for others), and its active managerial role in the investment and redistribution of capital is limited. These are the reasons we have described it as having "compradorial" tendencies - i.e. it often acts as a go-between, representing the interests of big capital (both domestic and international) in local deals, particularly state tenders. The use of BEE charters and legislation to levy capital from the existing bourgeoisie to empower a new stratum of black capitalists has been ONE source of BEE capital.
The second major route has been the shameless looting of public resources. Like all emergent capitalists before them - from the modernising landowners of 17th century England who enclosed the commons, to the Randlords of South Africa in the late 19th and early 20th centuries - our own emerging black capitalists have often shown little concern for the niceties of law, or respect for public property and resources. Over the past decade and a half, there has been a massive looting of public resources, using state procurement whether on a grand scale (as with the arms package) or on the micro, local government level.
Privatisation deals, tender-preneurship, javelin-throwing, inflated "performance" bonuses in parastatals, have all been mechanisms for this kind of primitive accumulation. Some of this has had the sanction of "law"; much of it has been plain corruption. It is easy to see how, sooner or later, the 1996 class project would run into a series of internal contradictions, particularly between the requirements of upholding a bourgeois rule of law that would meet the approval of Ernest & Young and their kind, on the one hand, and the inherent lawlessness implicit in a primitive accumulation process parasitic on the state and public resources, on the other.

From around 2005, the contradictions between the interests of those who were now firmly established as capitalists (and who were happy for a blind eye to be turned on their own earlier plundering) and those who felt they had not yet sufficiently arrived began to play themselves out within the ANC and government. The leading personalities associated with the 1996 class project were unable to maintain stability among the contradictory forces that they themselves had unleashed. This contributed directly to their defeat at the ANC's Polokwane 2007 national conference.

As we have said before, the forces propelling this defeat were themselves not united. On the one hand, the SACP, COSATU and many others within the ANC advanced a PRINCIPLED criticism of the reformist POLICIES of the 1996 class project. On the other hand, there were those whose opposition to the circle around former President Mbeki was rooted not in policy considerations, but in petty personal rivalries, frustrated business ambitions, and a sense of injustice that the rule of law was being bent for others, but not for them.

The new tendency

The current challenges and tensions within the ANC are essentially between: those for whom Polokwane was about clearing more space for their own appetites, for their own turn at the primitive accumulation feeding-trough; and all of us, those for whom the ousting of the Mbeki group was about creating the conditions to change policy, to focus on the key task of placing our country on to a different growth path, to focus on our major strategic priorities - job creation, health-care, education, rural development and fighting crime and corruption. And this is why, on this May Day 2010, as the SACP, we are saying that the key OBJECTIVE challenge of our national democratic struggle in 2010 going forward is to place our country onto a new developmental path.

But if we are to rise to this objective challenge, then we must, simultaneously address the key SUBJECTIVE challenge - to defeat the scourge of corruption in our society in general, including in the private sector, of course, but, especially, within our own ranks, within our own movement, and within government. Over 40 years ago, a young Chris Hani bravely drafted and attached his signature to a memorandum addressed to the ANC leadership in exile. In the memorandum Hani and his co-signatories sought to analyse why the armed struggle was flagging. The memorandum identified factionalism, personal favouritism, a loss of revolutionary zeal and morality and the corroding impact of corruption within our own ranks.
Some in the leadership at the time had Hani arrested for "mutiny". However, others in the ANC leadership recognized the wisdom and constructive intentions of cde Chris and his comrades and they were eventually released. The memorandum played a direct role in the convening of the ANC's famous Morogoro Conference in 1969, and this, in turn, led to the re-vitalisation of our movement and a dramatic upturn in popular revolutionary struggle in our country in the next decade.
In 2010, let us honour the revolutionary memory of Cde Chris Hani. On the shop-floor, in parastatals, in the public and private sectors, in our communities and organisations, let us all solemnly commit ourselves to stand up against and root out all forms of abuse and corruption.

Together, let us be vigilant! Tivusa Tingwenya! Let the tenderpreneurs, the fraudsters, the rent-seekers, those who grow fat from stealing from the people, let them tremble!

A LUTA CONTINUA! LONG LIVE THE FIGHTING SPIRIT OF CHRIS HANI!!

http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=23533

This is great news along with whats happening in Nepal and Greece this decade looks bright.
This should be coupled with another of my posts; The New South African Left.
However, if the SACP carries on improving like this the New South African left may lose it's importance. it had very little importance to start with it's too small. The SACP seems to be on the path to becoming what it was in the struggle against Apartheid, comrades lets fucking hope it stays on that path.

http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/politics/370-political-turmoil

Magdalen
6th May 2010, 22:34
Great news from our South African comrades!
Finally the SACP stands against the sell-out ANC.

Any sign of them transforming their words into action?

scarletghoul
6th May 2010, 22:37
Wow, that was a refreshing read ! Great to know the SACP is still revolutionary..
What is their future course of action do you know ? Do they intend to leave the ANC's government coalition ? Surely there must be some public dissatisfaction with the ANC, a party which mourns the death of a neonazi and keeps most people in poverty ? Hope the SACP can form a proper challenge and an alternative for the people

RotStern
6th May 2010, 23:17
I do not know their plans for the future but I see 2 scenarios, either they play it safe, or they leave the coalition and confront the ANC.
If they leave the coalition it will not be soon, they still have some internal problems to be worked out before they can form any proper challenge.
They would also be too insignificant without the ANC.
They are likely to leave sometime, the ANC has been pissing them off for a long time and now with what seems to be a new era or more so a return to an old era, they are even more likely to leave the coalition.
When they leave the coalition it will throw the ANC into chaos.
The obvious action to be taken after that would be direct public confrontation with the people.
It will be easy to show the people that the ANC is lying to them when they say they are working in their interests and that they are one of them- with a millionaire running the youth league and the party mourning Terreblanche.
The people are aggravated that after 16 years of ''equality'' there still remains inequality, when presented with an alternative they might immediatly offer support.

bricolage
7th May 2010, 00:14
Fuck the SACP, how dare they talk about anything revolutionary when they have consistently sold South Africans down the gutter since '94. Where was this radical streak when GEAR devastated the country? When Nepad spread it to the continent? Where was it when the SACP were calling the cops on Operation Khanyisa? When the ANC shanked Kennedy Road?
The SACP has been a willing partner in the post-apartheid Tripartite alliance, in the co-option of mass struggle into bourgeois democracy. And you know what I haven't even read all of this yet because I'd just get too angry but you want to look at change in the country, you really need to abandon these hang ups on any organisation that happens to have communist in the name.

RotStern
7th May 2010, 18:21
This hints at a return to an earlier era of the SACP this is obviously an improvement.

Honggweilo
8th May 2010, 17:15
I wonder how this affects the SACP Youth hosted WFDY "World Youth Festvial" in december this year. The main precondition for the festival is moderate to full state endorsement (like in venezuela last time). I'm still planning on going this time.

manic expression
8th May 2010, 17:56
Wow. This could be pretty big. Rifts in the ANC have been appearing between progressives and capitalist fundamentalists. The post-apartheid honeymoon might just be coming to an end, patience with the ANC might just be running out and a move to the left might just be around the corner. I have no answers, but I am very confident in our SACP comrades, they have shown themselves to be more than capable time and again. Long live the fighting spirit of Chris Hani!

bricolage
9th May 2010, 13:37
I am yet to see anyone offer an acceptable excuse for the disgusting behaviour of the SACP since the end of apartheid and reasons why we should put any faith in them now. It seems all you have to do is have communist in your name and leftists come flocking.

This document makes a lot of references to RDP (ignoring this was never anything more than social democratic Keynesianism) yet fails to mention it was completely disregarded for GEAR, the embodiment of the neoliberal turn. They fail to mention how South Africa was the first African country to voluntarily impose structural adjustment on themselves and that the SACP did nothing to combat this. They remain committed to the 'National Democratic Revolution', itself nothing more than a code word for bourgeois co-option of the apartheid struggle where the ANC was supposed to lead the struggle against apartheid and then the SACP step in to bring socialism, but has anything remotely near to this happened? Not at all, and sure they throw in bits about capitalism but the ANC talks left as well, should we start glorifying them too? Liked I asked before (and which is still un-answered);

"Where was this radical streak when GEAR devastated the country? When Nepad spread it to the continent? Where was it when the SACP were calling the cops on Operation Khanyisa? When the ANC shanked Kennedy Road?"

That people here would remain supportive of the SACP is disgraceful.

In regards to that second link about the CDL I don't know much about it but it seems overly triumphalist. For example it talks of CDL popularity amongst Abahlali, to be honest I'm rather sceptical of this and the CDL did offer a statement condemning the attacks on Kennedy Road but then you would have to be an utter disgrace not to. Interestingly it called on the SACP to do the same but I have seen to evidence it did, probably because it is so tied to the ANC, who committed the attacks.

bricolage
9th May 2010, 13:42
Surely there must be some public dissatisfaction with the ANC, a party which mourns the death of a neonazi and keeps most people in poverty ?

You do realise the SACP did the same thing?
http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/pr/2010/pr0405.html

With this in mind its debateable what anyone would have really gained from giving it some 'good riddance, kill some more' rhetoric.

manic expression
9th May 2010, 13:57
Barabbas, the whole point of the Tripartite Alliance was that post-apartheid South Africa was on the brink of genocidal chaos. At the end of apartheid, the Great U-Turn hadn't happened, and the workers of South Africa wanted peace and time to build harmony between their peoples. The consensus was that the ANC should be given support and patience as they rebuild the country. It would have been hardly progressive, or wise, to take potshots at the ANC when apartheid was so fresh in everyone's memory and South Africa had so recently gotten over that ugly obstacle. It would have been like a socialist savagely criticizing Abraham Lincoln as he completed the emancipation of slaves in the south...history works in stages.

The SACP is continuing to represent the views of the South African working-class, as it should.

bricolage
9th May 2010, 14:41
Barabbas, the whole point of the Tripartite Alliance was that post-apartheid South Africa was on the brink of genocidal chaos.

Perhaps, but then it quite possibly is today.
In any case it is quite evident that the ANC, fully integrated into global capitalism as they were, on the back of a transnational support campaign were quite capable of producing a stable bourgeois state. The task of revolutionaries is not then to support such a state but rebel against it.


At the end of apartheid, the Great U-Turn hadn't happened, and the workers of South Africa wanted peace and time to build harmony between their peoples.I don't deny that, but then in what way did capitulation to the World Bank and IMF (voluntary imposition of structural adjustment that still continue today; http://www.counterpunch.org/bond04142010.html), transformation of RDP in GEAR and NEPAD help anyone build peace or harmony? All it did was further punish the orindary workers and subaltern of South Africa.


The consensus was that the ANC should be given support and patience as they rebuild the country.And in what way have they rebuilt the country?

The unemployment rate stands at near to 25%, 50% are below the poverty line (70% in rural areas). Since 1994 (and these figures are I think a few years out of date) over ten million have been disconnected from water and electricity, two million have been evicted from their homes, and nearly a third of the country's population is crammed into less than 13% of the land.

Lets not forget this is the same ANC that had been effectively courted by the CIA and of which Mandela would so beautifully note;

'I am sure that Cecil John Rhodes would have given his approval to this effort to make the South African economy of the early twenty-first century appropriate and fit for its time'

If you see capital exploitation and bourgeois stability as 'rebuilding a country', if this includes maintaining apartheid spatial segregation and inequality, if this includes subimperialism in Southern Africa, if this includes forcibly attacking opposition to capital dominance, then yes the country was rebuilt.


It would have been hardly progressive, or wise, to take potshots at the ANC when apartheid was so fresh in everyone's memory and South Africa had so recently gotten over that ugly obstacle.The point is it never really got over that 'ugly obstacle', it was as Patrick Bond calls 'an elite transition'. For example land obtained under apartheid was recognised as legal and so racist land grabbing was codified under law. The ANC promised 'restrictions of land ownership on a racial basis shall be ended, and all the land redivided amongst those who work it' yet look at the pitiful redistribution that has taken place and look at how much land is still white owned and you tell what has changed? Across the board look at what ordinary South Africans are saying, from repaying apartheid debt to housing;


"We want better lives, development and dignity. Each and every time we voted for the ANC but it seems we are forgotten," said Nicky Khulu, a 29-year-old resident of Orange Farm, a dusty township outside Johannesburg.

For more than a week, Khulu and hundreds of other residents around Johannesburg have protested at squalid living conditions in Africa's richest city by blocking a major road with burning tyres and rocks.

"Politicians have money for big houses, luxury cars and expensive clothes but they are not earning their money by doing things for the poor," said Khulu, who is unemployed.

"For 20 years I have lived in a shack. Nothing has changed for us after apartheid ended. Things have gotten worse."http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-03-03-we-voted-anc-but-it-seems-are-forgotten


It would have been like a socialist savagely criticizing Abraham Lincoln as he completed the emancipation of slaves in the south...history works in stages.But struggle is continuous across. The point is that there have been numerous community struggles, workers struggles against the capitalist class since the end of apartheid and the SACP (and COATSU) has taken the side of the state in every one. You just have to look at their website and their eager count down to the world cup, yet no mention of the real impact it will have; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/01/south-africa-world-cup-blikkiesdorp (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/01/south-africa-world-cup-blikkiesdorp).

The age old question remains; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qlkx-qwaM


The SACP is continuing to represent the views of the South African working-class, as it should.I think the real question is does it represent their interests? The answer is undoubtedly no.

bricolage
9th May 2010, 14:42
Also my point was everyone is getting excited over the document because the SACP is talking left but it has always done this (so has the ANC) yet practice differes enormously.

RotStern
10th May 2010, 19:51
I agree with you that the SACP have been assholes for a long time however you seem to be under the impression that somebody is trying to make excuses for it, nobody is except maybe that idiot.
You need to realize that the current SACP is the that got rid of many very clever white members as to try to show the black workers that they would be represented by people like them.
Wether these people are back and working somewhere behind the scenes or wether there is a new wave of members who are truelly of Socialist integrity we do not and cannot know, ecspecially with it being such a currupt organization.
However, deeming it a disgrace to support this organization because of its history is counter revolutionary.
The workers of South Africa have very little alternative to a worker oriented political party, the SACP is the only signifigant party.
We must also keep in mind it is the SACP who has stopped the eploitation from getting even worse.
Not that they deserve much credit.
But to say that the SACP was at no point revolutonary because they worked with the ANC to end Apartheid is foolish, had the SACP not worked with the ANC then Apartheid would still stand today. The SACP of the time was working in the short term interests of the workers by working with the ANC.
Both the ANC and the SACP has seen beter days.

manic expression
10th May 2010, 20:26
Barabbas, bloodshed and instability are possible today, but not nearly as much as the 90's. We have to remember South Africa was not so far away from a civil war happening, that is not the case right now, however fragile it may be.

The point, I think, was that Black (and Indian and Coloured, etc.) enfranchisement needed to be instituted. That first step was crucial for the workers of South Africa. Whatever problems you may have with the ANC, and we all know there are many justifiable problems to be had, they have signified a political legitimization of Black Africans and other former victims of apartheid. Without that, any forward progress would have been both problematic and potentially superficial. As Lenin put it:

That is why internationalism on the part of oppressors or "great" nations, as they are called (though they are great only in their violence, only great as bullies), must consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations but even in an inequality of the oppressor nation, the great nation, that must make up for the inequality which obtains in actual practice. Anybody who does not understand this has not grasped the real proletarian attitude to the national question, he is still essentially petty bourgeois in his point of view and is, therefore, sure to descend to the bourgeois point of view.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm

Telling Black workers who wanted apartheid gone "No, no...you have to wait until we get a socialist revolution...THEN everything's going to be dandy!" would have been insane, patronizing, callous and uncommunist. Supporting the ANC, however indirectly, was not an easy pill to swallow (Mandela almost openly admitted to using the communists in his autobiography), but it was necessary for the progress of South Africa.

My questions: are you denying that South African workers today are better off than during apartheid? Are you denying that apartheid was worth overthrowing?

Now on some issues, yes, things are not better, and some things have gotten worse. However, in the mid-90's, if you shouted this from the rooftops you would have been throwing your lot in with fascists. Sorry, but that's just the way it was. It would have been supremely idiotic given the political winds of the time to denounce the ANC. Supremely idiotic. Now that the political landscape is changing, now that Black African workers are no longer satisfied with the ANC being in power and staying in power, the political landscape has changed dramatically: class struggle, not struggle against fascism, is now on more and more minds.

The point is that now, as workers are growing impatient with the pro-capitalist ways of the ANC, the SACP is reflecting these sentiments as the workers party it is. Make no mistake, this is not just words:

Tensions increased during and after a recent December 2009 special conference of the SACP. ANC NEC members, including ANC Youth League chairman Julius Malema, were booed by the SACP delegates. SACP members rejected ANCYL proposals on nationalization as opportunistic; COSATU raised similar criticisms saying the proposals lacked “substance.”

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=13371&news_iv_ctrl=1781


The SACP is an organization that has tirelessly fought for the workers of South Africa for decades. They are not about to stop now. You can count on that.

RotStern
11th May 2010, 17:58
What Barabbas and I are saying is not wether they are going to stop, but if they are going to finally start working for the workers of South Africa meaning they have already stopped for quite some time.

bricolage
15th May 2010, 11:59
Wether these people are back and working somewhere behind the scenes or wether there is a new wave of members who are truelly of Socialist integrity we do not and cannot know, ecspecially with it being such a currupt organization.

I don't doubt there are members of 'socialist integrity', however it is not about members, it is about understanding the structural role of the SACP.


However, deeming it a disgrace to support this organization because of its history is counter revolutionary.I would argue that it is supporting a party integrated into the South African state that is really counter revolutionary.


The workers of South Africa have very little alternative to a worker oriented political party, the SACP is the only signifigant party.If we are talking about 'significant' parties, then I'm sure the ANC is more significant than the SACP, less than 5% of South Africans actually saying they support the Communists. However political decisions shouldn't be based on significance, they should be based on principles.


We must also keep in mind it is the SACP who has stopped the eploitation from getting even worse.I don't see how. They didn't stop GEAR, they didn't stop NEPAD, they stood against striking workers, these are all things that have increased exploitation, not decreased them.

I think it’s easy to forget that structural adjustment in South Africa was voluntarily embraced by the ANC led coalition, unlike most other places in Africa where it was forced. There was no need for this and it was surely something that the SACP should have stood against.


But to say that the SACP was at no point revolutonary because they worked with the ANC to end Apartheid is foolish,I didn’t say that, I was criticising the idea we whould support the SACP, or claim it is revolutionary, having seen its post apartheid track record.


had the SACP not worked with the ANC then Apartheid would still stand today. The SACP of the time was working in the short term interests of the workers by working with the ANC.
Both the ANC and the SACP has seen beter days.Quite possibly, but then I wasn’t saying anything about the anti-apartheid struggle. I am referring to what we now know after 15 plus year of ‘democratic’ rule.


Barabbas, bloodshed and instability are possible today, but not nearly as much as the 90's. We have to remember South Africa was not so far away from a civil war happening, that is not the case right now, however fragile it may be.

I think that is a vast overexaggeration. There were attempts at violent uprisings (eg. AWB), I’m not sure they would have been worse had the SACP not aligned themselves with the ANC.


Telling Black workers who wanted apartheid gone "No, no...you have to wait until we get a socialist revolution...THEN everything's going to be dandy!" would have been insane, patronizing, callous and uncommunist.This a complete strawman argument, I never criticised the struggle against apartheid. I criticised those elements that used the post-apartheid consensus as a chance to become an integrated part of the state apparatus, to take the side of capital against workers.


Supporting the ANC, however indirectly, was not an easy pill to swallow (Mandela almost openly admitted to using the communists in his autobiography), but it was necessary for the progress of South Africa.This is a false assessment. It’s not such much that the SACP supported, and does still support, the ANC but that the all intents and purposes they act as one and the same. Around a third of the ANC’s mps and ministers are members of the SACP, Zuma and Mbkei all used to be members. They are integrated into each other.

And progress for who? Progress for workers, shack dwellers, the poor, evidently not.


My questions: are you denying that South African workers today are better off than during apartheid? Are you denying that apartheid was worth overthrowing?Depends what you mean by better off. In terms of not having to deal with institutionalised racism and spatial segregation then of course they are better. In terms of material conditions, jobs, housing, inequality I think you will find a lot of people are actually worse of. Like I said remarkably little actually changed in ’94, land remains in the control of white farmers ghettos continue and a white bourgeoisie has been replaced with a black one. There is a reason Malema goes round shouting ‘shoot the boer’ because it serves the ANC (and its coalition partners) well to make people think the old enemy is still the only enemy. It leads people to forget the new enemies consist of the ANC/SACP/COSATU/South African state who have sold them down the river and become the new arbiters of exploitation and oppression.


Now on some issues, yes, things are not better, and some things have gotten worse. However, in the mid-90's, if you shouted this from the rooftops you would have been throwing your lot in with fascists. Sorry, but that's just the way it was.If I call for British troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan today I am arguing the same thing as the BNP, I don’t think this has any bearing on whether I should still make this call. Sometimes we say the same thing as the far right, what is important is why we are saying it. There is a vast difference in saying things are worse since the end of apartheid because exploitation and oppression has increased and saying things are worse because whites don’t control everything anymore.


It would have been supremely idiotic given the political winds of the time to denounce the ANC. Supremely idiotic.Or honest. You don’t think it would have been right to denounce the ANC when they were voluntarily impose structural adjustment? GEAR promised 400,000 new jobs by 2000 and instead over a million were lost and unemployment is down to the levels of the 1980s. Yet the SACP remains part of this coalition. How is this acting in the interests of the South African working class?


Now that the political landscape is changing, now that Black African workers are no longer satisfied with the ANC being in power and staying in power, the political landscape has changed dramatically: class struggle, not struggle against fascism, is now on more and more minds.Quite possibly but then it has been for many years, you think strikes are only happening now? And when these strikes were happening which side was the SACP on? When the SECC was reconnecting electricity which side was it on? In the Wits University struggle which side was it on? When SAMWU was acting against privatisation which side was it on?


The point is that now, as workers are growing impatient with the pro-capitalist ways of the ANC, the SACP is reflecting these sentiments as the workers party it is. Make no mistake, this is not just words:

Tensions increased during and after a recent December 2009 special conference of the SACP. ANC NEC members, including ANC Youth League chairman Julius Malema, were booed by the SACP delegates. SACP members rejected ANCYL proposals on nationalization as opportunistic; COSATU raised similar criticisms saying the proposals lacked “substance.”I don’t think what is essentially a personal battle of egos between Cronin and Malema is anything to write home about. Especially seeing as COSATU has been doing everything they can to bring the two back together and the SACP has followed suit. There will be no split, just look at the latest headline on their newsletter, 'Defend the Unity of our Alliance! Defend our Shared Alliance Programme!'.


The SACP is an organization that has tirelessly fought for the workers of South Africa for decades. They are not about to stop now. You can count on that.There are an organisation that has become wholly isolated from the workers of South Africa and any kind of grassroots struggle. Their own MPs have admitted it;

‘Life looks different when you are being driven around in a BMW with tinted window. You move so fast sometimes you can hardly see the shacks anymore. You almost forget.’

(To be honest I mainly put this in because it is a very good quote, I still think it is quite telling)